old_eastender Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 It ain't working Del, get the message, 7 matches 5 3-0 defeats and never look like scoring more than an odd goal. FFS stop twatting around with stupid formations play Pitman and Stead or Pitman and Wood up front in a central two and let's have a go at being on the front foot and giving the opposition something to worry about for a change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatman Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangers Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 442 with Stead/Pitman/Wood up front. Cisse and Davis in the middle. Long ball and pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 But 4-5-1 gets makes us harder to beat for heavens sake. The actual results have no relevance that is the official line and you must stick to it. Don't you wish you had coaching badges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mjc bcfc Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 442 with Stead/Pitman/Wood up front. Cisse and Davis in the middle. Long ball and pressure. Id go one further.... 433 and keep it central, with long ball and pressure... Stead, Wood and Pitman up top [but keep them up top, not on the wings, perhaps pitman just behind] Cisse, Pearson and Davis in the middle (Adomah looks knackered and kilkenny is lightweight) If we are going to go down, lets at least go down fighting!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben4BCFC Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I'm quite close to really disliking this bloke. I can't see that he has the ability to save us. +1 From the beginning I've wanted to get behind him, but it seems like he's making the same ridiculous managerial decisions over and over again. He can't help the spines ****ts we've got in our squad, or the ineptitude of the vast majority of our players, but he can change the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepers Ball Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I'm quite close to really disliking this bloke. I can't see that he has the ability to save us. I started getting that feeling when there seems to be an arrogance over this 4-5-1 and his example of it by comparing us to West Ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laner Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 The 4 can't defend. The 5 get overrun and don't create or score. The 1 is a lonely figure who doesn't score. 451... please let's try something else. Thus is NOT working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betelgeuse Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 He's got to try something else. He's beginning to make himself look like a subborn miserable scotsman sticking with him rediculous formation. Either that or he's plain stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 It was 4-4-2 at the start. ....but didnt he have a winger up front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted March 3, 2012 Author Share Posted March 3, 2012 It was 4-4-2 at the start. Like it was supposedly 4-4-2 at Peterbrough - rubbish! Two up front means Pitman & Wood, or Pitman & Stead, not Albert supposedly playing centrally - which then leaves us no width on the right - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 It was 4-4-2 at the start. With Albert up top? Oh come on, lets not fall into this bullshit company line. Pitman is a striker, Wood is a striker, Stead is a striker, why sacrifice our best winger to play him up front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 2 up front means two players erm up front, not just Pitman and A.N Other Not like it matters, we're rubbish whatever we play at the moment OK, lets stick Nyatanga up front then, it's not his best position either but it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 It was 4-4-2 at the start. I thought it was a 451/433 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 He's got to try something else. He's beginning to make himself look like a subborn miserable scotsman sticking with him rediculous formation. Either that or he's plain stupid! Over the last few weeks we are looking a lot worse than we did under Millen. When DMc was in the frame for the job I admit I had never heard of him as I take no interest in MacFootie. It seems a 2 horse mickey mouse league where they play each other over and over again. Nevertheless I was genuinely impressed by the high regard this fella was held in by those in the know. So when he was appointed I thought we had a good chance of having made the right decision. This seemed to be the case as we picked up points and climbed the league. All that good work, how ever achieved, now amounts to very little as we slip back down and, even more worryingly, are getting turned over every game so, so easily. I am now of the opinion he is as clueless as Millen and out of his depth. Whether he turns it around remains to be seen. But on the basis of our current run of results there is nothing to suggest anything other than the drop. If only we could have somehow got Warnock here. But I guess I'm very much in the minority in holding that view! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Well clearly to Del it doesnt... If he does nothing else here I hope Mcinnes has started to sort out the club from the bottom up. Lets hope he's better at doing this, because quite frankly his team selections are dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 It was 4-4-2 at the start. It wasn't - McInnes told radio bris before the game it was 433. Pitman can't play up front in 433 but, hilariously, Kilkenny can!!!! Time to send Del back to the "little league" before he takes us to one. Time to stuff Mick McCarthy or Megson with a massive bonus to keep us in this league. Both have won battles like this before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Kilkenny is prob one of the worst players I have seen in a city shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 It wasn't - McInnes told radio bris before the game it was 433. Pitman can't play up front in 433 but, hilariously, Kilkenny can!!!! Time to send Del back to the "little league" before he takes us to one. Time to stuff Mick McCarthy or Megson with a massive bonus to keep us in this league. Both have won battles like this before. That's an excellent suggestion with regard to bringing in Mick McCarthy. It's desperate for us now and if i was Steve Lansdown I'd be looking at such an option to keep us in this division. We need the likes of Mick McCarthy to bring in some decent loan players as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 It wasn't - McInnes told radio bris before the game it was 433. Thought so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 That's an excellent suggestion with regard to bringing in Mick McCarthy. It's desperate for us now and if i was Steve Lansdown I'd be looking at such an option to keep us in this division. We need the likes of Mick McCarthy to bring in some decent loan players as well. Ad we are one honeymoon period from safety.... I would imagine that's not lost on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JammyOne Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 People calling for 4-4-2 are ****wits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Kilkenny is prob one of the worst players I have seen in a city shirt Kilkenny is very similar to Lee Johnson in stature but Lee Johnson did used to play with passion even though his ability at Championship level was suspect. I didn't rate Lee Johnson at this level and I rate Kilkenny even less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 People calling for 4-4-2 are ****wits. Got to love the quality and well backed up post there. Why not? 4-5-1 is clearly a bag of shit. I personally wouldn't go 4-4-2, I'd go 4-3-3 with stead pitman and wood up top, but I can see why people want 4-4-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 People calling for 4-4-2 are ****wits. Any alternatives? 4-5-1 is a proven failure, and 4-3-3 has backfired royally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Kilkenny is very similar to Lee Johnson in stature but Lee Johnson did used to play with passion even though his ability at Championship level was suspect. I didn't rate Lee Johnson at this level and I rate Kilkenny even less. +1 each. Johnson had bite, Skuse has got bite, Kilkenny's got no teeth at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Like it was supposedly 4-4-2 at Peterbrough - rubbish! Two up front means Pitman & Wood, or Pitman & Stead, not Albert supposedly playing centrally - which then leaves us no width on the right - Technically untrue when defining a 4-4-2. Could easily be a 4-4-1-1, Tottenham e.g. set up with central striker and VDV in just behind. 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1? Italy in 06 set up with Toni up front, Totti just behind. Again, same question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 People calling for 4-4-2 are ****wits. Hang on mate, DMC told us we lined up 4-4-2 against Peterborough and today he told us the same, the **** wit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mshort86 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 3-5-2 James Fonts mcmanus nyatanga Foster mcallister Cisse Davies Pearson Stead Pitman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red panda Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 I was going to say that it looked very much like 4-5-1, with Stead on his own up front. But actually it looked like 4-4-1, as Albert seemed like he was trying to run off a knock even before he got injured. When Bolaise replaced Albert, then it definitely was 4-5-1. Once we went behind, then Wood came on and it was 4-4-2. No matter, neither of them seemed to work. Actually, it was a lot like Peterborough, we were playing better at the start of the second half, but then conceded a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lita For Congo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Technically untrue when defining a 4-4-2. Could easily be a 4-4-1-1, Tottenham e.g. set up with central striker and VDV in just behind. 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1? Italy in 06 set up with Toni up front, Totti just behind. Again, same question... We spent arguably our best 18 months for almost 30 years playing that system under GJ. We either need to go back to 4-4-1-1 and try and play or just go direct with Stead and Wood. No matter how much i want to see Pitman play every week, i really dont think Mcinnes rates him so go 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 and go direct. As 4-3-3/4-5-1 clearly isnt working in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 We spent arguably our best 18 months for almost 30 years playing that system under GJ. We either need to go back to 4-4-1-1 and try and play or just go direct with Stead and Wood. No matter how much i want to see Pitman play every week, i really dont think Mcinnes rates him so go 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 and go direct. As 4-3-3/4-5-1 clearly isnt working in the slightest. Exactly it! Noble just behind the lone striker (Byfield/Trundle/Showumni iirc)? The great advantage of that of course is that roving behind the striker, can play clever through balls to said striker- when out of possession, drop into midfield to make harder to break down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Exactly it! Noble just behind the lone striker (Byfield/Trundle/Showumni iirc)? The great advantage of that of course is that roving behind the striker, can play clever through balls to said striker- when out of possession, drop into midfield to make harder to break down. Problem is you need a player who can play that role, we don't. Kilkenny isn't fit to lace a nobles boots in the creativity steaks. I would be happy to see that formation come back but it only works if you have a player like nobel and other midfielders that can create, we don't have that, back then we had noble who chipped in with a few goals and made a lot, Elliot got 7-8 goals that season and most importantly McIndoe who scored and created a lot of goals. Sadly none of our players can perform those roles, the only player we have who has the ability and vision to play in the hole is pitman. But without the other parts that won't work on its own I don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puckle_red Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Is it me? Foster is so far out of his depth it's untrue, you can tell he's a League One level right winger...not a left back. Positionally inept. Wood played on the left when he came on Saturday. 4-4-2 gives balance and the opportunity to score a goal. At the moment, we conceed loads and don't score. The 4 can't defend, the 5 can't create or keep the ball and the one can't get hold of the ball due to the midfield and defence not being able to supply. At least going 4-4-2 gives us a chance to score a goal before we conceed 3? You never know we might score 3 and get a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 People calling for 4-4-2 are ****wits. Are you McDelboy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 The defininition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results Albert Einstein Come on Del, show us you're not completely barking and give 442 a pop. We know our defence is shocking and we're likely to concede three goals a game, but let's try and score four. And if 442 is the only way to accomodate Pitman then it makes even more sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Exactly it! Noble just behind the lone striker (Byfield/Trundle/Showumni iirc)? The great advantage of that of course is that roving behind the striker, can play clever through balls to said striker- when out of possession, drop into midfield to make harder to break down. Could Pitman play there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Gotta love it, into MARCH and we still don't know which formation to play. Laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcliffe 78 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Gotta love it, into MARCH and we still don't know which formation to play. Laughable. Players available predict the formation you can play, the manager looks a stubborn man and when he keeps us up we will love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 So our top scorer in the championship last season who got 13 goals playing in a 4-4-2, can apparently no longer play in a 4-4-2 and 4-3-3, 4-5-1 or 3-5-2 is not suited to him either. I can't wait to see the player we got lined up in his place in League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafarms Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Over the last few weeks we are looking a lot worse than we did under Millen. When DMc was in the frame for the job I admit I had never heard of him as I take no interest in MacFootie. It seems a 2 horse mickey mouse league where they play each other over and over again. Nevertheless I was genuinely impressed by the high regard this fella was held in by those in the know. So when he was appointed I thought we had a good chance of having made the right decision. This seemed to be the case as we picked up points and climbed the league. All that good work, how ever achieved, now amounts to very little as we slip back down and, even more worryingly, are getting turned over every game so, so easily. I am now of the opinion he is as clueless as Millen and out of his depth. Whether he turns it around remains to be seen. But on the basis of our current run of results there is nothing to suggest anything other than the drop. If only we could have somehow got Warnock here. But I guess I'm very much in the minority in holding that view! . I don't think you are, I would have loved to have Colin yer, he has passion and sticks up for his teams no matter what. His teams always played hard, and alot of the times dirty, but I would love that, back to naughty football.At least you would see our players gettin stuck in, showing passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox6060 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I have no problem with this system in principle a lot of sides play it ....but ...it is not working Mr Mciness not only are we losing but the displays away are so inept that i'm amazed we're still perserving..... 4-4-2 pitman and another upfront, albert and Pearson wide, two in the middle it can't be much worse surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy273 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 It ain't working Del, get the message, 7 matches 5 3-0 defeats and never look like scoring more than an odd goal. FFS stop twatting around with stupid formations play Pitman and Stead or Pitman and Wood up front in a central two and let's have a go at being on the front foot and giving the opposition something to worry about for a change! Bearing in mind we played 4-3-3 against Blackpool and Ipswich but still got destroyed. We don't really have any other option with the players we are limited to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Think he'll go with this........ James Carey McManus Fontaine McAlister Foster Cisse Davis Wood Pitman Stead Looks the strongest team he can put out with all the injuries. Has a very solid look about it. Everything crossed !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 So our top scorer in the championship last season who got 13 goals playing in a 4-4-2, can apparently no longer play in a 4-4-2 and 4-3-3, 4-5-1 or 3-5-2 is not suited to him either. I can't wait to see the player we got lined up in his place in League 1. Perhaps Screech, Pitman has chosen the wrong career choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Perhaps Screech, Pitman has chosen the wrong career choice. Amazed how he's managed to score so many goals when he isn't suited to any formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangers Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Pitman will start tonight mark my words. DelBoy knows we need to win tonight, he said so in his email...... I imagine he will go 442 with Pitman and Wood, with Davis and Cisse in the middle and Pearson on the left. Kilkennys substitution could spell the end of his long term future at the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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