Randy Marsh Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Was the difference between relegation and survival last season. We wouldn't have stayed up without him. We need an exact replica of him if we are to survive this season. Bolton wouldn't have got anything out of today if we were 2 up with him on the park. Whether he wants to come back or not we should be begging him this week - if only for a contract until the end of the season. Said when he walked it would be a HUGE blow to us and some disagreed. I think it's showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Well we debated last week as to the problem area when a few spoke out about skuse only to get shot down, can't be bothered to debate it again but if him and Pearson play the majority of games this season we will go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Was the difference between relegation and survival last season. We wouldn't have stayed up without him. We need an exact replica of him if we are to survive this season. Bolton wouldn't have got anything out of today if we were 2 up with him on the park. Whether he wants to come back or not we should be begging him this week - if only for a contract until the end of the season. Said when he walked it would be a HUGE blow to us and some disagreed. I think it's showing. Ohh, I thought it was Amougou that kept us up....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Was the difference between relegation and survival last season. We wouldn't have stayed up without him. We need an exact replica of him if we are to survive this season. Bolton wouldn't have got anything out of today if we were 2 up with him on the park. Whether he wants to come back or not we should be begging him this week - if only for a contract until the end of the season. Said when he walked it would be a HUGE blow to us and some disagreed. I think it's showing. Am I right in saying he went on trial to Bolton and they decided against signing him ? If he is so good why has no one signed him up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Am I right in saying he went on trial to Bolton and they decided against signing him ? If he is so good why has no one signed him up ? Fair point. We only saw him for two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fka dagest Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 The back four certainly don't get the protection they did when Cisse was playing last year. I fully agree that either Skuse or Pearson must be sacrificed. Personally I'd prefer the former as at least Pearson chips in with the occasional goal and gets up and down the pitch better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Imo he is missed. Elliot not playing, we dont have a good def mf. Those players is needed for the defend. Cisse is not here so lets hope Marw can play soon again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Fair point. We only saw him for two years. Fair point and no other team rates him to want him. Says it all really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Montana Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Back 4 with Cisse sat just infront should be the template for the team to mould around, he gives security and retains possession using short passes very well, a very good footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyCityLad7 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Cisse and Elliott in the middle is what we need, Pearson needs to be dropped to the bench, useful player to have as he pops up with a few goals and assists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Every team needs a tackler in midfield do we actually have one? Yes we can blame the defence but the amount of goals we concede with midfielders not tracking runs is alarming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Every team needs a tackler in midfield do we actually have one? Yes we can blame the defence but the amount of goals we concede with midfielders not tracking runs is alarming We have Skuse but he isn't enough. When he has a poor game, the defence has zero protection at all and - although I like the understated things he does, with the best will in the world he isn't a big intimidating beast who can stop a 14 stone forward bearing down on our penalty box at full speed. Skusey's tackles are more of the carefully timed nicking the ball of the feet of a hesitant opponent than a red-blooded challenge sort. Skuse has saved our bacon on too many occasions to number, but he has limitations. We need a stopper. We need an intimidator. we need a Cisse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Ohh, I thought it was Amougou that kept us up....... Other people say it was Gerkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demet78 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Personally I rated him but he clearly stated he wanted to ply his trade elsewhere so I for one wouldn't want somebody back simply because nobody else wants him as he clearly doesn't want to play for the City! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevecity86 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Cisse and Elliott in the middle is what we need, Pearson needs to be dropped to the bench, useful player to have as he pops up with a few goals and assists. We did seem to have a good balance with both of them in the middle of the park over the previous 2 seasons. Cisse dropping back allowed Marv to get forward a bit. Shame Cisse left us but as the previous poster says no point having someone in the team who clearly does not want to be there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Every team needs a tackler in midfield do we actually have one? Yes we can blame the defence but the amount of goals we concede with midfielders not tracking runs is alarming Added to that, we don't have a midfielder who can win a header (whilst Marv is injured). It all piles pressure onto the back four. How the manager thought that midfield and front two on Saturday was going to be physically strong enough to win a Championship game is beyond me. It's too easy to blame the defence, who have made mistakes but get little to no protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Added to that, we don't have a midfielder who can win a header (whilst Marv is injured). It all piles pressure onto the back four. How the manager thought that midfield and front two on Saturday was going to be physically strong enough to win a Championship game is beyond me. It's too easy to blame the defence, who have made mistakes but get little to no protection. we went 2-0 up so it worked to a degree, its not as if we are rolling over losing 3-0 every week, Remember the standerd of football being played with Cisse in the side Everyone was critical of the boring 4-5-1 formation and defensive football lack of creativity and also said they'd rather lose 3-2 then win 1-0 playing boring football Well thats what you are getting its what you wanted live with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 If we still had him now, it'd be nice. Cisse-Elliott-Danns, maybe with Cisse deep, ball winning and simple distribution, drive of Elliott and Danns better on ball than what we currently have decent balance. Oh what could've been... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 If we still had him now, it'd be nice. Cisse-Elliott-Danns, maybe with Cisse deep, ball winning and simple distribution, drive of Elliott and Danns better on ball than what we currently have decent balance. Oh what could've been... That would have been a good Championship midfield that would probably help get us a top 6 finish if we had a half decent defence behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 That would have been a good Championship midfield that would probably help get us a top 6 finish if we had a half decent defence behind them. Could've done a great job for us. Even with our current back 4 it'd surely have offered more protection than our current mid and we'd be lower midtable maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Could've done a great job for us. Even with our current back 4 it'd surely have offered more protection than our current mid and we'd be lower midtable maybe. Marvin Elliott still has not replicated his form of 5 years ago but with Danns and Cisse around him he could have really sparked up once more. Why did we let Cisse go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Marvin Elliott still has not replicated his form of 5 years ago but with Danns and Cisse around him he could have really sparked up once more. Why did we let Cisse go? This is it. Don't see him (Elliott) as strong enough in a 2 man Centre mid at this level, but in a 3 man mid with players like that to offer protection, balance maybe. Letting Cisse go could be the issue that costs us our place in division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC1984 Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Didn't let him go! Offered him new deal on less £'s so he walked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Didn't let him go! Offered him new deal on less £'s so he walked. That's as good as letting him go though, isn't it? Clearly the club didn't think he justified the contract he originally signed for, so offered him less when it ran out. Cisse obviously wasn't happy with that and looked for a contract elsewhere. Can't say I blame him, as imo he should have had far more game time than he did and rarely let us down when he did get on the pitch. All water under the bridge now though, but this will go down as one of those strange cases when a player seemed to be far more valued by the fans than by the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Horsman Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Cisse was also majorly ****** about by Millen, who wasn't selecting him even when fully fit and others were injured/out of sorts. The impact he made on our season once McInnes arrived and started picking him, particularly away from home cannot be underestimated! He gave the team a solid spine, playing ahead of the centre backs and breaking up play. We miss him enormously. Considering the fact that we gave Morris a deal, and resigned Louis and Pearson, makes not meeting him at least 'half-way' now seem like a tremendous own goal. These players, ie genuine defensive/ anchor midfielders, are arguably rarer than the lesser spotted creative midfielder!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie_Turner Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Cisse was also majorly ****** about by Millen, who wasn't selecting him even when fully fit and others were injured/out of sorts. The impact he made on our season once McInnes arrived and started picking him, particularly away from home cannot be underestimated! He gave the team a solid spine, playing ahead of the centre backs and breaking up play. We miss him enormously. Considering the fact that we gave Morris a deal, and resigned Louis and Pearson, makes not meeting him at least 'half-way' now seem like a tremendous own goal. These players, ie genuine defensive/ anchor midfielders, are arguably rarer than the lesser spotted creative midfielder!!! Agree 100%. If Del was told to drop x% off of all the players contracts that were expiring then sorry but that's been a daft way to go about it - to me, don't sign Pearson and or Morris means we can afford kaliffa - if other players don't like it you know where the door is ! The back 4 are crying out for a kaliffa cisse just sat in front cutting out attacks, getting his foot in and supplying simple distribution !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 The games I saw him last season, cisse was excellent. If he's unemployed, then perhaps he'd be up for a deal? Certainly the sort of player that we need. However, they do say never go back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Agree 100%. If Del was told to drop x% off of all the players contracts that were expiring then sorry but that's been a daft way to go about it - to me, don't sign Pearson and or Morris means we can afford kaliffa - if other players don't like it you know where the door is ! Thing is, if you do that you end up with an unhealthy discrepancy in wages. Let's say, for sake of argument (I have no idea what the real figures are), that Skuse, Morris and Pearson all command £5k pw but Cisse demands £10k. Either you have 3 players all earning the same as one another or you have two where one earns twice as much as the other for doing the same job. You may value Cisse at twice the others but it sets a precedent and if Skuse is playing in the same midfield as Cisse he'll want to know why he's not worth £10k pw too. Then you either have an unhappy player or, if you relent, you find yourself paying £20k per week for 2 players when you could have had 3 for £15k pw. And then Cisse may wonder why he's no longer getting more than a player previously considered inferior. And yes, Skuse could leave but then you have only £5k pw to attract another Championship quality midfielder when they know that Cisse is getting £10k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Ohh, I thought it was Amougou that kept us up....... No, it was Bikey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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