Red_30 Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Is it any coincidence the last game he played in we won. Mcinnes played same lineup as that game except Carey saturday and we lost. Does he effect our team that much or is it just a coincidence. From what i can remember reading he had a solid game v boro. So just thinking with all this leader talk is he the difference?......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 No, I think we won there because they had a perfectly good goal ruled out, and missed two sitters before we scored our second. I think we won in spite of Carey, not because of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 I think Carey has more heart then a lot of the players n this makes up for his ageing body He shud really be on the bench but it is a sign of how bad things are that most fans wud have him in their first 11. To be honest I'd have him at right bk over foster every time or centre back with Bates (can't judge d Wilson yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_30 Posted December 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 I'm not saying we won because of him but when he plays does it help as he is seen as a 'leader'? I do agree with stucks. It does go to show if he is our only leader it has got desperate. We should be bringing in more players like him. Like Hartley or similar mould to Tommy. Player with passion and bite to his game. Which is obviously lacking from the team at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Sometimes watching someone "get stuck in" and throwing their body on the line much like Carey does can give the whole team a boost. It certainly encourages the crowd. We need someone like that in midfield, we need a nasty basterd who might pick up a couple of reds here and there but will let the opposition know he's there. Some like tommy doc, hartley, Roy Keane esque. I don't know the championship well enough to suggest a player, but an equivalent to the likes of Essien, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, or even Joey Barton! Not that I'm comparing him to them ability wise but that type of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 not "Jodie" blo*dy Morris then? I swear that his signing is a Channel 5 series/wind up. Up there with the worst/most pointless signings ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 and Jodie (sic) for the pedants. Again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyolly Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 No, I think we won there because they had a perfectly good goal ruled out, and missed two sitters before we scored our second. I think we won in spite of Carey, not because of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyolly Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Not sure anyone could see a "perfectly good goal" ruled out to be honest. We scored 3 perfectly good goals which is and should be good enough to win a game. Especially away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 No, I think we won there because they had a perfectly good goal ruled out, and missed two sitters before we scored our second. I think we won in spite of Carey, not because of him. Complete and utter nonsense. Louis was superb against Boro and was the main reason for our most solid performance in a long time. He was only exposed once in the game in the build up to the corner for their goal when Foster's poor positioning enabled Miller to drag Louis out wide into an area where no centre half is ever comfortable and Miller was able to show his superior pace. I would like to know how you are able to declare that it was a 'perfectly good goal' as well. At the very most there are three people in the world that know if that ball crossed the line and unless you were somehow in our six yard box you are not one of them. The incident that led to the goal line clearance also had nothing to do with Louis Carey! You'll also have to remind me of the two 'sitters' that Boro wasted? It is worth noting that of our last four away wins Louis has produced an herioc performance to see us through in three of them. I know it would seem that I am in the minority, but I actually think that offering Louis a new deal in the summer is one of the few things that McInnes has done right. By all reasonable estimates he will be one of our lowest paid players and although he may not be available every game he is an excellent player (and character) to call on as we drift from crisis to crisis. As much as I admire him, I really do pray that one day Louis will be truly surplus to requirements as it will mean that our first choice defenders are doing a good job. Unfortunately that time doesn't look to be coming any time soon and we will keep having to turn to Louis to step up when times get tough. Is it a sad indictment of the rest of our defenders that Louis is still our most skilled player in the art of defending? Of course it is. Should we be planning for a future with Louis? Definitely not. Would it be nice to sign some defenders that have Louis' heart, will to win and desire (not to mention ability)? Certainly. Will I be slightly more confident if Louis is on the team sheet Saturday? Afraid so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Complete and utter nonsense. Louis was superb against Boro and was the main reason for our most solid performance in a long time. He was only exposed once in the game in the build up to the corner for their goal when Foster's poor positioning enabled Miller to drag Louis out wide into an area where no centre half is ever comfortable and Miller was able to show his superior pace. I would like to know how you are able to declare that it was a 'perfectly good goal' as well. At the very most there are three people in the world that know if that ball crossed the line and unless you were somehow in our six yard box you are not one of them. The incident that led to the goal line clearance also had nothing to do with Louis Carey! You'll also have to remind me of the two 'sitters' that Boro wasted? It is worth noting that of our last four away wins Louis has produced an herioc performance to see us through in three of them. I know it would seem that I am in the minority, but I actually think that offering Louis a new deal in the summer is one of the few things that McInnes has done right. By all reasonable estimates he will be one of our lowest paid players and although he may not be available every game he is an excellent player (and character) to call on as we drift from crisis to crisis. As much as I admire him, I really do pray that one day Louis will be truly surplus to requirements as it will mean that our first choice defenders are doing a good job. Unfortunately that time doesn't look to be coming any time soon and we will keep having to turn to Louis to step up when times get tough. Is it a sad indictment of the rest of our defenders that Louis is still our most skilled player in the art of defending? Of course it is. Should we be planning for a future with Louis? Definitely not. Would it be nice to sign some defenders that have Louis' heart, will to win and desire (not to mention ability)? Certainly. Will I be slightly more confident if Louis is on the team sheet Saturday? Afraid so. +1 Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouReds Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Complete and utter nonsense. Louis was superb against Boro and was the main reason for our most solid performance in a long time. He was only exposed once in the game in the build up to the corner for their goal when Foster's poor positioning enabled Miller to drag Louis out wide into an area where no centre half is ever comfortable and Miller was able to show his superior pace. I would like to know how you are able to declare that it was a 'perfectly good goal' as well. At the very most there are three people in the world that know if that ball crossed the line and unless you were somehow in our six yard box you are not one of them. The incident that led to the goal line clearance also had nothing to do with Louis Carey! You'll also have to remind me of the two 'sitters' that Boro wasted? It is worth noting that of our last four away wins Louis has produced an herioc performance to see us through in three of them. I know it would seem that I am in the minority, but I actually think that offering Louis a new deal in the summer is one of the few things that McInnes has done right. By all reasonable estimates he will be one of our lowest paid players and although he may not be available every game he is an excellent player (and character) to call on as we drift from crisis to crisis. As much as I admire him, I really do pray that one day Louis will be truly surplus to requirements as it will mean that our first choice defenders are doing a good job. Unfortunately that time doesn't look to be coming any time soon and we will keep having to turn to Louis to step up when times get tough. Is it a sad indictment of the rest of our defenders that Louis is still our most skilled player in the art of defending? Of course it is. Should we be planning for a future with Louis? Definitely not. Would it be nice to sign some defenders that have Louis' heart, will to win and desire (not to mention ability)? Certainly. Will I be slightly more confident if Louis is on the team sheet Saturday? Afraid so. you say giving him a new deal was right well clearly now as he doesnt play him ( i agree though carey is a class act ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete1975Legend Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 CAREY was a good defender, but now need to move on. Giving him a new deal was a waste of resources imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I think Carey has more heart then a lot of the players n this makes up for his ageing body He shud really be on the bench but it is a sign of how bad things are that most fans wud have him in their first 11. To be honest I'd have him at right bk over foster every time or centre back with Bates (can't judge d Wilson yet) Yeah I agree with this fella. I don't rate either Foster or M Wilson and would rather Carey slot in there and simply defend to allow Albert more time to attack! I would also call back Joe Edwards. People say Morris was a pointless signing but I think M Wilson was just as pointless. He isn't even that good. Preventing Edwards as well. Get rid in jan and call back Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalRed Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Jodi Morris is too busy on twitter to have a football career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderArmyy Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 No, I think we won there because they had a perfectly good goal ruled out, and missed two sitters before we scored our second. I think we won in spite of Carey, not because of him. Lets not forget they had 4 infront, and didn't really take us seriously. If they did would of thrashed us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Carey should never have been given this last contract, remove the sentimentality factor, and quite frankly he does cut it, hes been past is a couple of seasons. The wages hes on could be used along with Fontaine, Nyatanga be used more effectively in getting better defenders...over to you steve, & Del... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTID Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Sometimes watching someone "get stuck in" and throwing their body on the line much like Carey does can give the whole team a boost. It certainly encourages the crowd. We need someone like that in midfield, we need a nasty basterd who might pick up a couple of reds here and there but will let the opposition know he's there. Some like tommy doc, hartley, Roy Keane esque. I don't know the championship well enough to suggest a player, but an equivalent to the likes of Essien, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, or even Joey Barton! Not that I'm comparing him to them ability wise but that type of player. Good Post, Desperatley needed, someone to leave a foot in, disrupt, get under the skin and shake your opponents a little our discipline is to good for a team fighting for championship survival. It may not be the "footballing" way but sometimes you need to stop your opponents. Doyle's 2nd should have been stopped before he got near enough to shoot, ideally a quality tackle but at all costs stopped. Kilkenny and Fontaine did nothing but run. Whats to loose a yellow card or another goal? We need a nasty streak as its all too easy for our opponents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 CAREY was a good defender, but now need to move on. Giving him a new deal was a waste of resources imo [iRONY ON] Indeed. Look how much more effective our younger defenders are. [iRONY OFF] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Whatever the rights and wrongs of him as a player, what do we think he'd be like as a manager? If we needed a temporary solution (and we might) I can't think who else would be caretaker? I can only think of Carey and/or Alex Russell.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Whatever the rights and wrongs of him as a player, what do we think he'd be like as a manager? If we needed a temporary solution (and we might) I can't think who else would be caretaker? I can only think of Carey and/or Alex Russell.... With a motivated squad, possibly. With this mob, not a chance. We need someone to kick their individual and collective arses - Louis is far too nice for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Well, given that we have been sooo successful from appointing from within over the last 20 years. Ill let you guess at my answer to that I agree - but you can see it happening cant you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 With a motivated squad, possibly. With this mob, not a chance. We need someone to kick their individual and collective arses - Louis is far too nice for that. Agree - if/when Del goes his replacement needs to be in the next day.... but that won't happen I can see Carey The Caretaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Complete and utter nonsense. Louis was superb against Boro and was the main reason for our most solid performance in a long time. He was only exposed once in the game in the build up to the corner for their goal when Foster's poor positioning enabled Miller to drag Louis out wide into an area where no centre half is ever comfortable and Miller was able to show his superior pace. I would like to know how you are able to declare that it was a 'perfectly good goal' as well. At the very most there are three people in the world that know if that ball crossed the line and unless you were somehow in our six yard box you are not one of them. The incident that led to the goal line clearance also had nothing to do with Louis Carey! You'll also have to remind me of the two 'sitters' that Boro wasted? It is worth noting that of our last four away wins Louis has produced an herioc performance to see us through in three of them. I know it would seem that I am in the minority, but I actually think that offering Louis a new deal in the summer is one of the few things that McInnes has done right. By all reasonable estimates he will be one of our lowest paid players and although he may not be available every game he is an excellent player (and character) to call on as we drift from crisis to crisis. As much as I admire him, I really do pray that one day Louis will be truly surplus to requirements as it will mean that our first choice defenders are doing a good job. Unfortunately that time doesn't look to be coming any time soon and we will keep having to turn to Louis to step up when times get tough. Is it a sad indictment of the rest of our defenders that Louis is still our most skilled player in the art of defending? Of course it is. Should we be planning for a future with Louis? Definitely not. Would it be nice to sign some defenders that have Louis' heart, will to win and desire (not to mention ability)? Certainly. Will I be slightly more confident if Louis is on the team sheet Saturday? Afraid so. Excellent post. If we had 11 players who gave as much as Carey does we probably wouldn't be in our current position. His experience is vital at the moment, and I think the lack of older heads and the nous they bring is one of the reasons we are struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Carey should never have been given this last contract, remove the sentimentality factor, and quite frankly he does cut it, hes been past is a couple of seasons. The wages hes on could be used along with Fontaine, Nyatanga be used more effectively in getting better defenders...over to you steve, & Del... I would have to disagree. Louis has played in three of Citys wins this season. His appearances as of last season have included matches were he has clearly cut it. Advanatges of having him in the squad on a reduced salary are that he clearly knows what he is doing, he is a commited pro, he can be trusted to pass a ball from A-B without dithering on it for ever and is still displaying a level of performance that is above his peers who have struggled to get above mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Whatever the rights and wrongs of him as a player, what do we think he'd be like as a manager? If we needed a temporary solution (and we might) I can't think who else would be caretaker? I can only think of Carey and/or Alex Russell.... Pretty sure Louis has said he does not want to go into management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghornred Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Its easy would you rather have Carey or Fontaine ? For me the best defender and the only leader at the club is Louis Carey and he should be one of the first names on the teamsheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwayBelieves Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Carey first name on team sheet for me Saturday! If he was 5+ years younger we would be laughing! If we had 11 players with passion like his, maybe not the most gifted players, but with his passion we would be a whole lot better than we are now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 He's the most experienced player in the first team squad and should undoubtedly be club captain. Not going to play every game so hand the armband to another on those occasions when he doesn't. Simple decision to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderSomerset Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I would have to disagree. Louis has played in three of Citys wins this season. His appearances as of last season have included matches were he has clearly cut it. Advanatges of having him in the squad on a reduced salary are that he clearly knows what he is doing, he is a commited pro, he can be trusted to pass a ball from A-B without dithering on it for ever and is still displaying a level of performance that is above his peers who have struggled to get above mediocre. 100% agree. Still the best defender we have got and worth his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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