Coach Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Does anyone know when it's decided if we will obtain the Category 2 status we are striving for? And how likely it is that we'll get it and not be dropped down to Cat 3? TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderbeans Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 I think i depends on fulfilling certain criteria. There must be a certain number of coaches and players and teams as well as having a certain level of facilities. I believe facilities are in top shape, its just the rest that need increasing.... only guessing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fl22 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 All seems to be on track. Gradually moving everything to Filton, lots of new coaches and the communication etc. much more professional. Alot of focus at the moment on making sure the boys get the required number of hours coaching. All in all looks like they have a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 I agree all seems to be on track (number of coaches, amount of hours contact with players, indoor pitch etc.) but I just wondered when we'll know for definite and how confident the club are that we'll get the Category 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 All looking very promising under new admin team, Almost certain to get Category Two and will be considering application for Category One Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 All looking very promising under new admin team, Almost certain to get Category Two and will be considering application for Category One Is that a guess or an insider's view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 From what I have been told from those in the know, the academy needs a lot of work and is work in progress after a few boat rocks. The ship seems to be balancing but there is a lot of work. The decision is carried out through several audits and 1 maybe 2 have already been done. These will give an indication to the club whether they will be successful on Cat 2 and any improvements before the next audit to achieve this. The departure of Tim Kirk and what appears to be a demotion of Trevor Challis and other coaches coming in/going out as I say, it's work in progress. As for Cat 1, miles away! MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngish Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I agree all seems to be on track (number of coaches, amount of hours contact with players, indoor pitch etc.) but I just wondered when we'll know for definite and how confident the club are that we'll get the Category 2. Where do we have an indoor pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Where do we have an indoor pitch? Filton, I think at Wise Campus. But it is rent not owned so will need to see the rules again as I think within the period you are awarded the Cat status you need to own, but I can't remember. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 What difference does moving up to Category 2 truly make? What benefits does it have? I'm not arguing anything here, just don't know much about academy status subjects and interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 There's a good piece here on the difference between Cat 1 and Cat 3 .... obviously Cat 2 will be somewhere in between but it is closer to Cat 1 than Cat 3. http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/9877884.What_is_the_difference_between_a_Category_1_and_3_Academy_/ The budget required for Cat 2 is £969k, Cat 3 requires only £315k. Cat 3 clubs are not permitted to coach youngsters until they're 11 years old, Cat 2 clubs can take players from age 4 and sign them from age 9. The 90 minute rule (where academy players have to live within a 90 minute drive) does not apply to Cat 2 so the club can cast their net further. I think Cat 2 clubs have to provide 5 hours contact time with a player each week, Cat 3 they have to offer only about 2.5 If a 12-16 year old moves to a Cat 1 club from Cat 2, compenastion is set at £25,000 per year he's been at the Cat 2 club. Signing from a Cat 3 club means only £12,500 per year compo. As well as providing more coaches and playing against better clubs there are a number of reasons why getting Cat 2 is miles better than Cat 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted January 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Spoke to someone the other day who reckons City are actually aiming for Category 1 ... can't really see that though with all the investment that requires. Then again ... Lansdown is going on today about only signing young players, maybe he is going all out for a long term plan of developing youth and Cat 1 would be some statement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Spoke to someone the other day who reckons City are actually aiming for Category 1 ... can't really see that though with all the investment that requires. Then again ... Lansdown is going on today about only signing young players, maybe he is going all out for a long term plan of developing youth and Cat 1 would be some statement!I'd think if it is, it's aiming for Category 1 in the same way as it's aiming for promotion. A long term goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Spoke to someone the other day who reckons City are actually aiming for Category 1 ... can't really see that though with all the investment that requires. Then again ... Lansdown is going on today about only signing young players, maybe he is going all out for a long term plan of developing youth and Cat 1 would be some statement! I think we are nailed on for Cat 2 a hell of a lot of work has been done in a short space of time, and there is still the facilities up grade works going on, If we do aim for a cat 1 (i doubt we will get it) it would put us in the best clubs in the counry, The most important thing is to stop southampton taking the best young talent from our area however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 I'd think if it is, it's aiming for Category 1 in the same way as it's aiming for promotion. A long term goal. Almost certainly. From what i have heard there will only be 4 or maybe 5 clubs in the Prem even getting CAT1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Almost certainly. From what i have heard there will only be 4 or maybe 5 clubs in the Prem even getting CAT1. is there a rule about a number of Cat 1 teams in an area? Ie can't have more then 3 in london and 1 in birmingham or somthing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Believesham Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 is there a rule about a number of Cat 1 teams in an area? Ie can't have more then 3 in london and 1 in birmingham or somthing? But then you have Manchester, a footballing hotbed - I hope this isn't the case as Manchester United and City would surely both merit Cat 1 Also, with 1 Category 1 club, they would surely pick off anything decent from all clubs at minimal compensation cost including their main city rivals whether it be Birmingham, Manchester or Bristol Competition is a good thing to help progress, limiting numbers would hold this up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 is there a rule about a number of Cat 1 teams in an area? Ie can't have more then 3 in london and 1 in birmingham or somthing? Not 100% sure on that one to be honest. My educated guess would be that there would be no limit on it. If your club has £2.5m annually to run it and can afford to get it all setup in the first place then that should probably be encouraged. The more top facilities available the better. As it stands CAT1 clubs will be able to buy young stars from CAT2 and CAT3 clubs pretty easily, so for clubs at the top end of the English leagues, if they want to compete with their rivals in terms of youth, they will also need CAT1 clubs to help ensure they keep the best young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted January 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 There can't be a rule about limiting CAT1 clubs in an area surely? Man City's is the best in the country, no way would Man Utd not be allowed CAT1 also? Re: stopping Southampton creaming off the best in the area (which I don't think they do anyway), has anyone heard the rumour that Man Utd may set up a satellite yard in the South West? When you think about it, £1.5m a year extra for CAT1 instead of CAT2 - we waste that in transfer fees on journeymen every year don't we? Gotta be the wise way to go and all City fans would be 100% behind the cause wouldn't we, even in a run of bad results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 has anyone heard the rumour that Man Utd may set up a satellite yard in the South West? They wouldn't need to once this is all setup. They would be perfectly entitled to come and watch the youngsters at any club with a category rating below them and then sign them up. In a way as a CAT2 club in the south west, we would be their satellite site, as per many other clubs will be up and down the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/story-17938946-detail/story.html Good to hear they are committed to getting Category 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 "Martin Griffiths, chairman of Bristol Sport, said: "The work Amy and her team have being doing with the Community Trust has been remarkable as we look to reach out to as many youngsters in the local community as possible, spreading the message of Bristol City." Possible one of the most painfull things I've ever read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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