Barrs Court Red Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Some very nasty stories coming out in recent weeks about the rebels yet Cameron wants to arm the FSA. At what point should the UN intervene as peace keepers? Or should we encourage regime change like Lybia and hope the moderates win power in the fall out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 I'm with the Russians on this one. Assad may have his faults but better him than a new Iraq. Hate Hezbollah though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Most people in this country are weary of wars after the last 12 years. To me, Afghanistan and Iraq were noble causes, despite the end results not being what we had hoped for. Libya was different as it avoided our troops getting involved on the ground. France has certainly done her bit in Mali recently. The U.K, France and the U.S. have done more than their fair share in recent conflicts, with very little gratitude. It is time for some other nations to do their bit instead of us, ie the rest of Europe for a start. Spain, Italy, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Norway, Denmark to name just a few, and perhaps some from eastern Europe. Even Russia before us, yet again !! Or better still get some of these "neutral" countries involved, who never do anything to help anybody. Ireland, Switzerland, Sweden etc.. Let some of these countries put up wth the resultant terrorist attacks, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSH17 Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Most people in this country are weary of wars after the last 12 years. To me, Afghanistan and Iraq were noble causes, despite the end results not being what we had hoped for. Libya was different as it avoided our troops getting involved on the ground. France has certainly done her bit in Mali recently. The U.K, France and the U.S. have done more than their fair share in recent conflicts, with very little gratitude. It is time for some other nations to do their bit instead of us, ie the rest of Europe for a start. Spain, Italy, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Norway, Denmark to name just a few, and perhaps some from eastern Europe. Even Russia before us, yet again !! Or better still get some of these "neutral" countries involved, who never do anything to help anybody. Ireland, Switzerland, Sweden etc.. Let some of these countries put up wth the resultant terrorist attacks, as well. I think Germany can not go to war because of WW2 or am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolborn_and_red Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Most people in this country are weary of wars after the last 12 years. To me, Afghanistan and Iraq were noble causes, despite the end results not being what we had hoped for. Libya was different as it avoided our troops getting involved on the ground. France has certainly done her bit in Mali recently. The U.K, France and the U.S. have done more than their fair share in recent conflicts, with very little gratitude. It is time for some other nations to do their bit instead of us, ie the rest of Europe for a start. Spain, Italy, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Norway, Denmark to name just a few, and perhaps some from eastern Europe. Even Russia before us, yet again !! Or better still get some of these "neutral" countries involved, who never do anything to help anybody. Ireland, Switzerland, Sweden etc.. Let some of these countries put up wth the resultant terrorist attacks, as well. How the hell was Iraq a noble cause? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Calling Iraq a noble cause is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Why don't we stop poking our nose in other peoples business and concentrate on our own problems ! Obama at least seems to be awake to the fact that the Yanks meddling in the middle east will come back to bite them eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted May 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Were we right not to get involved in Rwanda and The Congo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSH17 Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 So is it ok for people to be killed and torture by their country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 So is it ok for people to be killed and torture by their country? Who said it was Josh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSH17 Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Who said it was Josh? Every one who is saying we should do nothing to stop it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22565405 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Were we right not to get involved in Rwanda and The Congo? Did we go into Rwanda ? From what I can remember no one interrupted the slaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted May 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Yeah...like I said, were we right not to? You seem to favour tjrning the other cheek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Yeah...like I said, were we right not to? You seem to favour tjrning the other cheek The UN should have gone in much sooner, same as in Srebenica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Iraq and Afghanistan noble causes? Wtf???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Iraq and Afghanistan noble causes? Wtf???? Yeah, it's certainly a different angle on what a noble cause is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 The UN should have gone in much sooner, same as in Hebephrenic. Aye, its too late now and really, its not our problem. The UN are an embarrassment to the human race and just a joke, expect no help from them. Been at war for 1000's of years, still at it and will always be fighting among themselves with or without the west, and what would be in it for us anyways, more resentment, more attacks in the UK, and goodwill does not pay for an army, we cant afford to send troops and give free weps to terrorists,. This is what annoys me, we were told that we would get oil for liberating Iraq, but where is our oil then? Where is our reward? If we go in and help, we should do it, do it properly and take the spoils of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nause Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 If we go in and help, we should do it, do it properly and take the spoils of war. No wonder our world is in such turmoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 I dont mean we go in 12th century style plundering and raping as we go, but we need somthing in return, what though? Could we sell them instead of give? Profit is not a dirty word is it? Lets not kid ourselves, war is good for business and advancement, but it does not sit well on the conceience I admit. The rebels are not to be trusted and giving them arms or selling them is madness, if we arm them we are proxy war with Russia, so we will do nothing but observe the losses and say how awful it is. Would anyone care if they didn't know out of interest? I blame the media, for eveerything. The are forcing me to give a shit. If war comes to our shore then so beit, we are being overrun as powerless, no paralised to act, no money for border control and proper screening etc I dont recognize my town anymore, call it multiculturalism or wahtever you want, its political spin, a word for 'lost borders' in the same way Natwest/RBOS is conveniently refered to as the taxpayers bank. EU rerundium, you are dreaming, lads. It will never ever happen, yet we still believe we might get it. They take us for fools this current political, financial and social elite of toffs, and now they want us to pay for weps to kill a legitimate dictator by arming terrorists I dispair too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 I also despair at using a computer without a spell check and unable to understand I used spaces and paragraphs in that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 I'm fairly certain the congressmen etc have lined their pockets sufficiently and taken the spoils fron war by going into Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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