Deanbcfc89 Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 Anyone else losing patience with this waiting for youth stuff already? i first started supporting city around the same time as our last relegation after that season we spent a lot of time using young players and bringing them through doherty, brunell, hill , woodman ,coles, brown the list goes on... but what did we achieve i just find it hard to accept our level of ambition compared to that of a peterborough who are owned by Darren Mccathony hardly that much richer than our chairman but still a hell of a lot more ambitious , i did anticipate this at the start of the season hence why im sat her typing as opposed to being at the ground supporting. If we continue down this persisting with youth road i cant see a serious challenge at promotion for another 3 years, i remember how i used to sit scratching my head in wonder during our last spell in league one how teams such as Southend, Luton, brighton used to bypass us in to the chapionship year after year while we sat in midtable or flirted with the play offs under wilson. im sure we will reach the championship again but i just hope we dont have to wait aslong as last time for our club to get fed and show some AMBITION again and yes to those living in dreamland that does involve spending money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 I think you'll find the likes of Swansea have managed to get promoted using the premise that bringing through promising youth players can, at best, get you promoted on the cheap and through playing nice football, and at worst, it can gain you good re-sale value if it doesn't go to plan. We did bring through youth players in the early 2000's, and we played some very nice football, and were on the brink of getting promoted under Danny Wilson, who was a very well-liked manager. It's just all long-term planning, and in my opinion, we need to improve short-term, but on the whole, ride it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanbcfc89 Posted September 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 I hope you are right, but swansea did invest before there league one promotion, they brought in Jason Scotland, Andy Robinson a very underrated but quality midfield player And kept hold of there stars; leon britton , williams, joe allen something we cant do when stuck in this division probaly because we dont invest when our youngsters reach there peak so they think get me out of here before i get injured, they also had good loan signings such as Paul Anderson when he had a stand out season for them the loan market is another market we are terrible in and one i hope we can look at using as i beleive it is a very good way of getting out of this division . I want this to work but when i hear our manager saying things Like MK Dons is our model a team that finished around 15th last season i dont no exactly where to find inspiration or excitement, i dont think Odriscoll appreciates we are a big club hes not a doncaster or bournemouth oh wait there a league above us now aswell, wake me up when we find the next Gary in 10 years, i wish i was taking the football viagra you take sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 I think you'll find the likes of Swansea have managed to get promoted using the premise that bringing through promising youth players can, at best, get you promoted on the cheap and through playing nice football, and at worst, it can gain you good re-sale value if it doesn't go to plan. We did bring through youth players in the early 2000's, and we played some very nice football, and were on the brink of getting promoted under Danny Wilson, who was a very well-liked manager. It's just all long-term planning, and in my opinion, we need to improve short-term, but on the whole, ride it out. A better argument might have been that Wilson spent a fortune by 3rd Division standards and failed to get promotion whereas Johnson did so on a much reduced budget. Whether SOD produces such an outcome in similar circumstances remains to be seen but the turnaround will have to come pretty soon or the defeatism that has been in the air since he arrived will win out over the alleged master plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 Really? I'm pretty sure Danny Wilson spent no more than £1m over 4 seasons, and that included making £700k on Scott Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 Really? I'm pretty sure Danny Wilson spent no more than £1m over 4 seasons, and that included making £700k on Scott Murray. Lee Peacock alone cost £600k as I recall. I wonder what that would be in current prices? Lee Miller was £300k I think. Christian Roberts £100k. And of course the wage budget was a lot higher than Johnson had when he took over. Wilson went because he wasn't prepared to work with the reduced budget SL was planning and that Johnson inherited. In relative terms SOD may be working with even less than Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 What's REAPEAT ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 Lee Peacock alone cost £600k as I recall. I wonder what that would be in current prices? Lee Miller was £300k I think. Christian Roberts £100k. And of course the wage budget was a lot higher than Johnson had when he took over. Wilson went because he wasn't prepared to work with the reduced budget SL was planning and that Johnson inherited. In relative terms SOD may be working with even less than Johnson. According to Soccerbase, the only fee's we paid were Lee Peacock (600k), Lee Miller (300k), Luke Wilkshire (250k), Marc Goodfellow (50k) and Paul Heffernan (125k). Christian Roberts was a nominal fee. So that was £1.3m over 4 seasons, which at 325k per year I wouldn't say was a fortune. I also thought Wilson was sacked, rather than him leaving of his own accord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 According to Soccerbase, the only fee's we paid were Lee Peacock (600k), Lee Miller (300k), Luke Wilkshire (250k), Marc Goodfellow (50k) and Paul Heffernan (125k). Christian Roberts was a nominal fee. So that was £1.3m over 4 seasons, which at 325k per year I wouldn't say was a fortune. I also thought Wilson was sacked, rather than him leaving of his own accord. He was sacked, for apparently not picking Leroy Lita in the Playoff final but there was more to that than meets the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 According to Soccerbase, the only fee's we paid were Lee Peacock (600k), Lee Miller (300k), Luke Wilkshire (250k), Marc Goodfellow (50k) and Paul Heffernan (125k). Christian Roberts was a nominal fee. So that was £1.3m over 4 seasons, which at 325k per year I wouldn't say was a fortune. I also thought Wilson was sacked, rather than him leaving of his own accord. Thanks for the info, though Roberts was certainly reported as £100k at the time. But my point was that £600k for instance was a large sum by 3rd Division standards at that time.. As I say, I would be interested to know what that would be equivalent to in today's prices. I went on to point out that that expenditure did not get promotion whereas Johnson did on a much lower budget, which is a counter to those who want to spend money again and suggests that there is no reason why SOD could not succeed without big money. He doesn't want it anyway. I wasn't suggesting Wilson resigned btw, rather that Steve told him the budget would be significantly cut, Wilson wasn't prepared to live with that so he was dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kit Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 According to Soccerbase, the only fee's we paid were Lee Peacock (600k), Lee Miller (300k), Luke Wilkshire (250k), Marc Goodfellow (50k) and Paul Heffernan (125k). Christian Roberts was a nominal fee. So that was £1.3m over 4 seasons, which at 325k per year I wouldn't say was a fortune. I also thought Wilson was sacked, rather than him leaving of his own accord. pretty sure that heffernan was a tinnion signing. But also thought that Wilson paid a fee for mathews from memory of a similar value but may be wrong on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 Anyone else losing patience with this waiting for youth stuff already? i first started supporting city around the same time as our last relegation after that season we spent a lot of time using young players and bringing them through doherty, brunell, hill , woodman ,coles, brown the list goes on... but what did we achieve i just find it hard to accept our level of ambition compared to that of a peterborough who are owned by Darren Mccathony hardly that much richer than our chairman but still a hell of a lot more ambitious , i did anticipate this at the start of the season hence why im sat her typing as opposed to being at the ground supporting. If we continue down this persisting with youth road i cant see a serious challenge at promotion for another 3 years, i remember how i used to sit scratching my head in wonder during our last spell in league one how teams such as Southend, Luton, brighton used to bypass us in to the chapionship year after year while we sat in midtable or flirted with the play offs under wilson. im sure we will reach the championship again but i just hope we dont have to wait aslong as last time for our club to get fed and show some AMBITION again and yes to those living in dreamland that does involve spending money. I switched off and stopped reading your topic starter when I got to the end of the above highlighted section. You are talking nonsense, it is easy to tell and clutching at straws with limited knowledge on the facts. The title of the topic delivered an equally uninteresting and absurd initial post to create a discussion of nothing. Yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 Sorry that's right, I did miss that one out. I have heard rumours regarding the Leroy Lita theory but never been sure what's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrdc Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 I really loved the Danny Wilson years. The team played great football for most of the time, scored loads of goals and Wilson came over as a media friendly manager. Such a Shane hex didn't take us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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