Red Rag Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 The empoers new cloths is a fable that tells the tale of a crooked weaver who dupes the king into buying a magical invisible gown woven from gold thread that can only be seen by people that are not stupid and incompetent. The king not wishing to be seen as a fool supplied the weaver copious amounts of gold thread to manufacture this magical gown. By now the whole town had heard of this magical garment. The crooked weaver presented the king with the gown just proir to a grand parade, the king not wishing to appear as a fool complemented the weaver on his fine workmanship. The king dons the gown and takes part in he parade. The crowd not wishing to appear as fools complemented the king on the finery of his garment, then one small boy too young to understand shouted out the kings in the alltogether, he is naked. As one the crowd saw what was glareingly obvious and laughed at the king. Needless to say the crooked weaver scampered with all the gold. It was quite clear he was never going to pull that one again in royal circles. So now looking for another sucker he stumbles across the board of BCFC and convinced them and thousands of fans that he had a magical solution for the football club. He named it transition and promiced to play free flowing possesion based football, where results and tables did not matter. He also spoke in riddles, which must be magical in itself, BUT only the fans who were not fools could see this magical transition. On match days most fans would ignore what was taking place before their very eyes and talk of the magical transition at work. Thankfully a minorty of fans (the dim ones) remembered that the crooked weaver had the previous season been in charge of the most lack lustre, clueless and gutless last 10 games ever to have taken place at BCFC taking the club to the promised land of the 3rd division. This year and at last the weavers magic invincibility cloak seems to be wearing thin and lots more fans are waking up to the fact they have been duped. So here we are upto date. How will the story end fellow reds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I don't think anyones been 'duped'.,, that story if you will could apply to a number of managers. The biggest dupers if you will are the ones in the board room with their tales of changing direction each and every season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timothy bird Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I think the ones who ignore the boards total crass incompetence and prefer the easy option of pouring scorn on their latest outside in the managerial chair are the ones who have allowed themselves to be duped!agree with s.v.r. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fka dagest Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 The empoers new cloths is a fable that tells the tale of a crooked weaver who dupes the king into buying a magical invisible gown woven from gold thread that can only be seen by people that are not stupid and incompetent. The king not wishing to be seen as a fool supplied the weaver copious amounts of gold thread to manufacture this magical gown. By now the whole town had heard of this magical garment. The crooked weaver presented the king with the gown just proir to a grand parade, the king not wishing to appear as a fool complemented the weaver on his fine workmanship. The king dons the gown and takes part in he parade. The crowd not wishing to appear as fools complemented the king on the finery of his garment, then one small boy too young to understand shouted out the kings in the alltogether, he is naked. As one the crowd saw what was glareingly obvious and laughed at the king. Needless to say the crooked weaver scampered with all the gold. It was quite clear he was never going to pull that one again in royal circles. So now looking for another sucker he stumbles across the board of BCFC and convinced them and thousands of fans that he had a magical solution for the football club. He named it transition and promiced to play free flowing possesion based football, where results and tables did not matter. He also spoke in riddles, which must be magical in itself, BUT only the fans who were not fools could see this magical transition. On match days most fans would ignore what was taking place before their very eyes and talk of the magical transition at work. Thankfully a minorty of fans (the dim ones) remembered that the crooked weaver had the previous season been in charge of the most lack lustre, clueless and gutless last 10 games ever to have taken place at BCFC taking the club to the promised land of the 3rd division. This year and at last the weavers magic invincibility cloak seems to be wearing thin and lots more fans are waking up to the fact they have been duped. So here we are upto date. How will the story end fellow reds? I like the gist of this. Many won't agree, but it's got to score points for originality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I like the gist of this. Many won't agree, but it's got to score points for originality. And length . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 The empoers new cloths is a fable that tells the tale of a crooked weaver who dupes the king into buying a magical invisible gown woven from gold thread that can only be seen by people that are not stupid and incompetent. The king not wishing to be seen as a fool supplied the weaver copious amounts of gold thread to manufacture this magical gown. By now the whole town had heard of this magical garment. The crooked weaver presented the king with the gown just proir to a grand parade, the king not wishing to appear as a fool complemented the weaver on his fine workmanship. The king dons the gown and takes part in he parade. The crowd not wishing to appear as fools complemented the king on the finery of his garment, then one small boy too young to understand shouted out the kings in the alltogether, he is naked. As one the crowd saw what was glareingly obvious and laughed at the king. Needless to say the crooked weaver scampered with all the gold. It was quite clear he was never going to pull that one again in royal circles. So now looking for another sucker he stumbles across the board of BCFC and convinced them and thousands of fans that he had a magical solution for the football club. He named it transition and promiced to play free flowing possesion based football, where results and tables did not matter. He also spoke in riddles, which must be magical in itself, BUT only the fans who were not fools could see this magical transition. On match days most fans would ignore what was taking place before their very eyes and talk of the magical transition at work. Thankfully a minorty of fans (the dim ones) remembered that the crooked weaver had the previous season been in charge of the most lack lustre, clueless and gutless last 10 games ever to have taken place at BCFC taking the club to the promised land of the 3rd division. This year and at last the weavers magic invincibility cloak seems to be wearing thin and lots more fans are waking up to the fact they have been duped. So here we are upto date. How will the story end fellow reds? So Bournemouth, Doncaster and Forest were duped too i suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 If you're rehashing Danny Kaye, I prefer Tubby the Tuba ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rag Posted October 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 If you're rehashing Danny Kaye, I prefer Tubby the Tuba ! I will go with that SOD out Tubby the Tuba in. Could he do much worse, proberbly not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 My post was B******s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UREDS_91 Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 *clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keep Calm Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Isn't this what all the other doubters are saying, only longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Going by the OP's rational, it would suggest that SOD pulled the wool over the eyes of Bournemouth, Doncaster and Forest, before scampering off with all their gold. I don't think that was the case whatsoever. Infact, I believe that this mystical weaver arrived here with a glowing reputation throughout catwalks, which whilst not quite being the standards of Milan, Paris & London, are certainly well regarded amongst the up and coming celebs! A point to consider, perhaps, would be more one of it taking a while to make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.... if indeed it is atall possible?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Stopped reading after the OP couldn't even get the title correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timothy bird Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Think the op is trying to be to clever by half! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfred Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Dish cloths made of gold? Whatever next... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rag Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 So Bournemouth, Doncaster and Forest were duped too i suppose Well 66.66% of those teams mentioned saw the light and fired him. His record in management is on par with Keith Millen and Mr McWinless. KM Managed 69 games win ratio 34.78% Mcwinless Managed 257 games win ratio 36.96% Gary Johnson Managed 813 games win ratio 41.94% SOD Managed 655 games win ratio 35.57% So based on these stats SOD is maginally better than KM not quite as good as Mcwinless and not a patch on Gary Johnson, Yet he remains the messiah in the eyes of the majority of fans. Open your eyes, try working on the basis of, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, there is a very good chance it is a duck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Yes, but those stats are meaningless because it's all about performances not wins or points hence, as SOD points out, nobody should ever look at the league table at it's irrelevant. That's the thing where SOD struggles as his mantra is that wins go hand in hand with quality performances. Either he is over-stating the quality of performance this season or his philosophy isn't working based on our winless season. He's actually right about the performance thing but you can only say the performances have been quality if you exclude leaking easy goals and failing to have an end product when dominating possession from the criteria for 'quality performance.' The good news is that given SOD's Bristol City league win ratio is about 0% for the last 19 games then he has to win 14 out of the next 19 to get back to his career average! So my approach would be to let him get those next 14 wins in the next 19 games and then sack him like Nottingham Forest did as we soar up into the play-offs before he goes on another prolonged no-win streak. It all makes sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb6162 Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 The empoers new cloths is a fable that tells the tale of a crooked weaver who dupes the king into buying a magical invisible gown woven from gold thread that can only be seen by people that are not stupid and incompetent. The king not wishing to be seen as a fool supplied the weaver copious amounts of gold thread to manufacture this magical gown. By now the whole town had heard of this magical garment. The crooked weaver presented the king with the gown just proir to a grand parade, the king not wishing to appear as a fool complemented the weaver on his fine workmanship. The king dons the gown and takes part in he parade. The crowd not wishing to appear as fools complemented the king on the finery of his garment, then one small boy too young to understand shouted out the kings in the alltogether, he is naked. As one the crowd saw what was glareingly obvious and laughed at the king. Needless to say the crooked weaver scampered with all the gold. It was quite clear he was never going to pull that one again in royal circles. So now looking for another sucker he stumbles across the board of BCFC and convinced them and thousands of fans that he had a magical solution for the football club. He named it transition and promiced to play free flowing possesion based football, where results and tables did not matter. He also spoke in riddles, which must be magical in itself, BUT only the fans who were not fools could see this magical transition. On match days most fans would ignore what was taking place before their very eyes and talk of the magical transition at work. Thankfully a minorty of fans (the dim ones) remembered that the crooked weaver had the previous season been in charge of the most lack lustre, clueless and gutless last 10 games ever to have taken place at BCFC taking the club to the promised land of the 3rd division. This year and at last the weavers magic invincibility cloak seems to be wearing thin and lots more fans are waking up to the fact they have been duped. So here we are upto date. How will the story end fellow reds? i posted this as an answer to another thread yesterday, i think it applies equally to your post as you refer to those with patience and understanding as fools, albeit cryptically by way of a fairy tale i do not wish to be disrespectful to you, but !!! you know sometimes It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear a "fool" as you put it, than open ones mouth, and remove all doubt. Those with a modicum of football intelligence are not Backing Sod for the sake of it or to prove a point one way or the other, nor do we have deadlines or a number of games we are prepared to loose filed away on record in the back of our minds. No... we back the manger because our endemic gut feel tells us it is the correct and logical path to take at present. We also do not see a lower risk strategy that will deliver a better outcome in the longer term, experience and time are a hard task master as the test often comes before the lesson, supporters like you are the test, and the lesson is the shambles we will have to pick up if we keep changing managers and strategy. .. i don't expect you to agree with me by the way, nor do i want to prevent you from having a view which i respect but do not concur with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunningdalered Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Another thread that could just as easily of been tagged onto any one of the numerous other threads questioning SODs credentials. OK, we get it - you (and many others) aren't impressed with what you've seen of SOD and remain unconvinced by his ability to deliver what he, and we, all want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Well 66.66% of those teams mentioned saw the light and fired him. His record in management is on par with Keith Millen and Mr McWinless. KM Managed 69 games win ratio 34.78% Mcwinless Managed 257 games win ratio 36.96% Gary Johnson Managed 813 games win ratio 41.94% SOD Managed 655 games win ratio 35.57% So based on these stats SOD is maginally better than KM not quite as good as Mcwinless and not a patch on Gary Johnson, Yet he remains the messiah in the eyes of the majority of fans. Open your eyes, try working on the basis of, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, there is a very good chance it is a duck. Ah the famous simplistic method of judging a manager that is win percentages. Danny Wilson had a win percentage with City of 47.35% while Martinez at Wigan had 29.98%. Odd how one manager was sacked and next turned up at MK Dons while the other was selected to replace the man who in turn was picked to replace probably the greatest British manager there has ever been. It doesn't matter that one of them was consistently failing to get a good team out of the third tier while the other until his last season (in which he won the FA Cup) was managing to keep Wigan Athletic in the Premier League. Fortunately for John Ward he got out early enough in 1998 that his win ratio at City stayed at a high 45% while Gary Johnson hung around a little bit too long that his dropped to 40%. Meanwhile forget our pitiful display at the 2010 World Cup, Fabio Capello with a win record of 66.7% is clearly the best manager England have ever had. Sorry Alf, you may have won the World Cup, but 61.1% just isn't good enough mate. Bobby Robson and Terry Venables? Nowhere near as good as Hoddle, Eriksson and Hodgson and even fall slightly behind our Dutch friend Schteve McLaren. While looking at win percentages may have some merit (and you don't have to look at the figures to realise SO'D's with us is clearly appalling), nobody should be guilty of basing any 'well x is clearly better than y' analysis purely on them. After relegation in his second season at Bournemouth (narrowly missed out on promotion in his first) O'Driscoll at a club with obvious financial constraints achieved promotion back into the third tier then achieved finishes of 9th, 8th and 17th. Not amazing you may say and it is easy to forget now they're a league above us, but for a club with Bournemouth's constraints at that time a good job. His first season at Doncaster brought an eleventh place finish and JPT win and his second brought promotion. Then he took Doncaster Rovers with one of, if not the smallest budgets in the Championship to finishes of 14th and 12th whilst playing some superb football. The next season obviously saw a backwards step, but I'm afraid I have to quote Wikipedia when I say "However, a plethora of injuries in the second half of the 2010–11 season (which at one point even saw the club request to postpone a match with Norwich City because they were struggling to field a first 11 saw Doncaster go on a dreadful run of form winning just one of their final 19 matches of the season, though they still survived due to their good form over the first half of the season". A poor start to the next season saw him sacked, but we can all surely agree he did a good job there. His five months at Forest saw him arrive, if I remember correctly, with a tiny squad that had just one defender which meant he had to sign the large part of a whole new squad, but left 5 months later after collecting 36 points from 24 games and just outside the play-offs. I think we have to agree that his sacking there was somewhat harsh. Nothing he, or any other manager, has done previously in their career guarantee they will be a success, but personally I think he has done enough to deserve some time* to turn around what has been a constant decline at this club since that fateful day at Wembley. Of course you are more inclined to be patient if you agree with what he is clearly trying to do and personally I do. *I'm not saying that we can go week after week without winning by the way. Transition and patience doesn't need to sit alongside never winning a bloody game and should this run go on for another month or two than I'm afraid the panic button will have to be pressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Well 66.66% of those teams mentioned saw the light and fired him. His record in management is on par with Keith Millen and Mr McWinless. KM Managed 69 games win ratio 34.78% Mcwinless Managed 257 games win ratio 36.96% Gary Johnson Managed 813 games win ratio 41.94% SOD Managed 655 games win ratio 35.57% So based on these stats SOD is maginally better than KM not quite as good as Mcwinless and not a patch on Gary Johnson, Yet he remains the messiah in the eyes of the majority of fans. Open your eyes, try working on the basis of, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, there is a very good chance it is a duck. Good post with good evidence but then, for me you spoilt it with the 'Messiah' comment. Noone on here is saying SOD is the Messiah, what people ARE saying is that we cannot chop and change managers every few months and that, despite how awful we are, SOD should be given some time because we desperately need some stability. Please (and this isn't a dig at you Red Rag, because others are doing it) can we stop saying people are 'blind' or that we love SOD and want to have his babies, when all people are saying is that sticking with him, despite everything, is the only real option right now. Rant over, otherwise, liked your post and the stats, as they say, don't lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Ah the famous simplistic method of judging a manager that is win percentages. Danny Wilson had a win percentage with City of 47.35% while Martinez at Wigan had 29.98%. Odd how one manager was sacked and next turned up at MK Dons while the other was selected to replace the man who in turn was picked to replace probably the greatest British manager there has ever been. It doesn't matter that one of them was consistently failing to get a good team out of the third tier while the other until his last season (in which he won the FA Cup) was managing to keep Wigan Athletic in the Premier League. Fortunately for John Ward he got out early enough in 1998 that his win ratio at City stayed at a high 45% while Gary Johnson hung around a little bit too long that his dropped to 40%. Meanwhile forget our pitiful display at the 2010 World Cup, Fabio Capello with a win record of 66.7% is clearly the best manager England have ever had. Sorry Alf, you may have won the World Cup, but 61.1% just isn't good enough mate. Bobby Robson and Terry Venables? Nowhere near as good as Hoddle, Eriksson and Hodgson and even fall slightly behind our Dutch friend Schteve McLaren. While looking at win percentages may have some merit (and you don't have to look at the figures to realise SO'D's with us is clearly appalling), nobody should be guilty of basing any 'well x is clearly better than y' analysis purely on them. After relegation in his second season at Bournemouth (narrowly missed out on promotion in his first) O'Driscoll at a club with obvious financial constraints achieved promotion back into the third tier then achieved finishes of 9th, 8th and 17th. Not amazing you may say and it is easy to forget now they're a league above us, but for a club with Bournemouth's constraints at that time a good job. His first season at Doncaster brought an eleventh place finish and JPT win and his second brought promotion. Then he took Doncaster Rovers with one of, if not the smallest budgets in the Championship to finishes of 14th and 12th whilst playing some superb football. The next season obviously saw a backwards step, but I'm afraid I have to quote Wikipedia when I say "However, a plethora of injuries in the second half of the 201011 season (which at one point even saw the club request to postpone a match with Norwich City because they were struggling to field a first 11 saw Doncaster go on a dreadful run of form winning just one of their final 19 matches of the season, though they still survived due to their good form over the first half of the season". A poor start to the next season saw him sacked, but we can all surely agree he did a good job there. His five months at Forest saw him arrive, if I remember correctly, with a tiny squad that had just one defender which meant he had to sign the large part of a whole new squad, but left 5 months later after collecting 36 points from 24 games and just outside the play-offs. I think we have to agree that his sacking there was somewhat harsh. Nothing he, or any other manager, has done previously in their career guarantee they will be a success, but personally I think he has done enough to deserve some time* to turn around what has been a constant decline at this club since that fateful day at Wembley. Of course you are more inclined to be patient if you agree with what he is clearly trying to do and personally I do. *I'm not saying that we can go week after week without winning by the way. Transition and patience doesn't need to sit alongside never winning a bloody game and should this run go on for another month or two than I'm afraid the panic button will have to be pressed. Great reply! I couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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