Players Union Off To The Courts Over Players Rights

[Maesknoll Red]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25418135

That will well and truly bugger things up!!

Although, I assume they would then fall in line with us ordinary workers and could be disciplined or dismissed for poor performance.

[Harry]

"If successful, the move could allow players to serve notice on their contracts as other workers can.

In theory, that would mean a player would be able to tell his club he wanted to leave and hand in his notice. Another club could then pay up the remainder of the player's contract and he would be able to join them without a transfer fee being paid."

 

Does this mean clubs would be able to effectively 'sack' players by serving them their notice if they've not performed to expectation?

[Maesknoll Red]

"If successful, the move could allow players to serve notice on their contracts as other workers can.

In theory, that would mean a player would be able to tell his club he wanted to leave and hand in his notice. Another club could then pay up the remainder of the player's contract and he would be able to join them without a transfer fee being paid."

 

Does this mean clubs would be able to effectively 'sack' players by serving them their notice if they've not performed to expectation?

I'd hope so.

[Aizoon]

"If successful, the move could allow players to serve notice on their contracts as other workers can.

In theory, that would mean a player would be able to tell his club he wanted to leave and hand in his notice. Another club could then pay up the remainder of the player's contract and he would be able to join them without a transfer fee being paid."

Does this mean clubs would be able to effectively 'sack' players by serving them their notice if they've not performed to expectation?

Not before time.

[Harry]

Not before time.

I'm sure they'll find a way round this one though.

 

Oh oh please Mr Judge, we want to be regarded just as the normal workers.  But only when it suits us though please Mr Judge.

[Monkeh]

aye with workers rights comes employers rights as well, if they want to do then then clubs should be aloud to sack players for poor performance,

Player power is too strong these days

[chipdawg]

Surely clubs will just write exceptionally long notice periods into contracts, i.e. 1 year. I'm almost certain that the kind of notice period they want will work both ways, though I'm sure FifPro will fight against that. Proving poor performance in order to give a player notice will be difficult though, lots of money to be made by lawyers at tribunals

This may actually benefit us given we have one of the bigger budgets in our division- we can acquire the better players from the smaller clubs for low fees. Of course the real winners will be the players "if you want to keep me you need to offer me higher wages to keep me sweet and make it more expensive for someone else to buy out my contract"

[Pickle Rick]

If implemented and well thought out before hand. Could be a great idea as long as clubs don't pay players higher wages as no transfer fee is involved.

 

Better still, have every continental football confederation rank each league, then set a wage cap to match it.

[Monkeh]

Surely clubs will just write exceptionally long notice periods into contracts, i.e. 1 year. I'm almost certain that the kind of notice period they want will work both ways, though I'm sure FifPro will fight against that. Proving poor performance in order to give a player notice will be difficult though, lots of money to be made by lawyers at tribunals

This may actually benefit us given we have one of the bigger budgets in our division- we can acquire the better players from the smaller clubs for low fees. Of course the real winners will be the players "if you want to keep me you need to offer me higher wages to keep me sweet and make it more expensive for someone else to buy out my contract"

I have to give 6 months in my job

[Pickle Rick]

I have to give 6 months in my job

 

MacDonalds require 6 months notice from their employees?!?!?

[Aizoon]

MacDonalds require 6 months notice from their employees?!?!?

 

Only from the senior fry-servers

[phantom]

I have to give 6 months in my job

 

Me too, but when their manager can effectively be fired and still get a pay off, football as a whole is completely different to the "real" world

[marksy]

Only from the senior fry-servers

What about the hamburger makers, does the same apply ?

[Aizoon]

What about the hamburger makers, does the same apply ?

 

They don't have to give notice in the Romanian horsemeat-processing plants.

[Drew Peacock]

 Proving poor performance in order to give a player notice will be difficult though, lots of money to be made by lawyers at tribunals

 

 

Not really, you just give them performance targets and when they fail to reach them, discipline them eventually sacking them.

[chipdawg]

Not really, you just give them performance targets and when they fail to reach them, discipline them eventually sacking them.

Ok, what targets do you set and how would you prove them to be reasonable I'm court? A striker who doesn't score enough goals will argue he didn't get service or that the defence was so fragile he had to spend time tracking back. A goalkeeper who doesn't keep clean sheets will blame his centre halves. It would be impossible to set targets that couldn't be pulled apart by a decent barrister at an employment tribunal. You'd have to have someone who was beyond doubt playing below the level you would have expected when they signed and I reckon that would be tough and constantly challenged by dismissed players

[Monkeh]

Ok, what targets do you set and how would you prove them to be reasonable I'm court? A striker who doesn't score enough goals will argue he didn't get service or that the defence was so fragile he had to spend time tracking back. A goalkeeper who doesn't keep clean sheets will blame his centre halves. It would be impossible to set targets that couldn't be pulled apart by a decent barrister at an employment tribunal. You'd have to have someone who was beyond doubt playing below the level you would have expected when they signed and I reckon that would be tough and constantly challenged by dismissed players

you can't sadly,

All its designed to do is to keep players wages raising and raising,

it also means tapping up would become legal (headhunting)

[Red-Robbo]

There are other jobs where you can't serve notice on your contract - for example, the military.

I'm against anything that puts more money in players' overstretched pockets, so for that reason I hope this fails

[WayOutWest]

I served in the Royal Navy.  After an amount of "Return of Service", which I believe was a year after the day your training ended, I was then able to give 18 months notice. 

[Drew Peacock]

Ok, what targets do you set and how would you prove them to be reasonable I'm court?

 

Opta.

[WTFiGO!?!]

**** 'em.

Other than my father paying for a Sky subscription I'm through with giving the football industry committed custom.

I'd like to see a Jimmy Hillesqe fans' reaction to the bloody nonsense.

I advise you all; stop going.

Football's been whored.

Next time you see a 'City player' genuinely give a **** about City, please report it back to me.

Nietzche: Football is dead.

[Rich]

Perhaps I'm being naieve here, why isn't the contract the valuable asset here and not the player? If the contract included the players registration and was a rolling type, then the contract could be sold, paid up or bought by an interested party.

If I had a contract to supply labour for maintenance and someone wanted to buy it, the customer was in agreement and I wanted to sell, isn't that the same?

[Davros]

Surely clubs will just write exceptionally long notice periods into contracts, i.e. 1 year. I'm almost certain that the kind of notice period they want will work both ways, though I'm sure FifPro will fight against that. Proving poor performance in order to give a player notice will be difficult though, lots of money to be made by lawyers at tribunals

This may actually benefit us given we have one of the bigger budgets in our division- we can acquire the better players from the smaller clubs for low fees. Of course the real winners will be the players "if you want to keep me you need to offer me higher wages to keep me sweet and make it more expensive for someone else to buy out my contract"

I have a 6 month notice and 12 month exclusivity clause in my contract... They need to man up and get owned bitches.

[chipdawg]

Opta.

But that won't stop them disputing the reason for the fall in stats. If you work in for instance, sales, its a reasonably linear process; you'll be asked to sell x-value of product and if you do you'll get you bonus. If you don't you'll be asked why and short of 'I had a serious illness', is unlikely there'll be a satisfactory answer. If you say to a player why didn't you meet your target, there's a dozen reasons they could give, even with Opta. It would get pulled around unemployment tribunals, cost thousands in solicitor and barrister fees and the club would more often than not end up paying up the contract anyway. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, just that it would be a very tricky process