Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Bob Crow president of the RMT union. Not my sort of guy but 52 years is no age. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bob-crow-dead-live-reaction-3228945 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Blimey! He never looked exctly a picture of health, I suppose. Although I cursed the strikes, I did agree with their latest cause: no Londoners want to see unmanned stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Bob Crow president of the RMT union. Not my sort of guy but 52 years is no age.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bob-crow-dead-live-reaction-3228945 My sentiments. I'm going to be interested how many people are like didn't like him but thoughts are with his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Didn't agree with the man or his methods, 52 is no age to go naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Blimey! He never looked exctly a picture of health, I suppose. Although I cursed the strikes, I did agree with their latest cause: no Londoners want to see unmanned stations. Exactly, although people who use the tube day in day out don't need help there is vast amount of people who do. He's probably the last of a generation, not many old school trade unionists like him left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Blimey! He never looked exctly a picture of health, I suppose. Although I cursed the strikes, I did agree with their latest cause: no Londoners want to see unmanned stations.Right on all fronts R.R.Tourists (whether from abroad or from these shores) inevitably need to speak with somebody regarding purchase of tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Blimey! He never looked exctly a picture of health, I suppose. Although I cursed the strikes, I did agree with their latest cause: no Londoners want to see unmanned stations. Mixed feeling about Bob Crow; I'm a trade unionist at heart, but his hard line stance was a bit retrograde and I think did harm to the wider union cause. That said, he was a big figure and as others have said, 52 is no age to go On the unmanned tube thing though, there are less staff present in pretty much every other underground in the world I've used and they all run better than the tube. Go to Barcelona, for example, and you're lucky if you see a transport worker in the tube stations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Paris is seemingly unmanned (driverless trains too) and Berlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Mixed feeling about Bob Crow; I'm a trade unionist at heart, but his hard line stance was a bit retrograde and I think did harm to the wider union cause. That said, he was a big figure and as others have said, 52 is no age to go On the unmanned tube thing though, there are less staff present in pretty much every other underground in the world I've used and they all run better than the tube. Go to Barcelona, for example, and you're lucky if you see a transport worker in the tube stations I'm not against driverless trains. Sadly during the strikes I couldn't use the excellent DLR system! It's been a while since I've used the Barca underground. they had conductors on the trains back then. Does that still happen? As for in London, there are multiple reasons why you want at least one staff member in tube stations - selling tickets to foreigners/the confused is but one, public safety, helping the disabled, dealing with Oyster Card problems and revenue protection are some others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I'm not against driverless trains. Sadly during the strikes I couldn't use the excellent DLR system! It's been a while since I've used the Barca underground. they had conductors on the trains back then. Does that still happen? As for in London, there are multiple reasons why you want at least one staff member in tube stations - selling tickets to foreigners/the confused is but one, public safety, helping the disabled, dealing with Oyster Card problems and revenue protection are some others. I was there during La Merce last year, i.e. It was busy, and don't recall laying eyes on one. That's not say they weren't there as I'd generally imbibed... I'm not suggesting there aren't reasons to have visible staff on the underground, but there seems to be an opinion that you couldn't possibly run an underground without loads of staff which just isn't true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Bob Crow was a great bloke that - unlike the middle class Oxbridge types that have hijacked the Labour Party - spoke up for working class men and women. "RIP Bob Crow - Labour party betrayed working people" BBC Question Time..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Bob Crow was a great bloke that - unlike the middle class Oxbridge types that have hijacked the Labour Party - spoke up for working class men and women. "RIP Bob Crow - Labour party betrayed working people" BBC Question Time..... Although what he say's in the clip is true, yet another overpaid union boss who liked the high life. i'm alright Jack anybody?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Although what he say's in the clip is true, yet another overpaid union boss who liked the high life. i'm alright Jack anybody?. Jack Crow was right with what he said about the Lib-Lab-Con political elitists - they all support privatization, anti Trades Union legislation, and illegal wars around the world. For maximum points scoring he should have also mentioned that the Lib-Lab-Con also support Britain's membership of the hopelessly corrupt and criminal led European Union project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Jack Crow was right with what he said about the Lib-Lab-Con political elitists - they all support privatization, anti Trades Union legislation, and illegal wars around the world. For maximum points scoring he should have also mentioned that the Lib-Lab-Con also support Britain's membership of the hopelessly corrupt and criminal led European Union project. 140k a year for a union boss is scandalous, especially one who enjoyed the high life, reminds me of the fire brigade leader shagging his girlfriend in a top hotel on ex's when his union were on strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Great bloke who stood up for his members, very sad day indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 140k a year for a union boss is scandalous, especially one who enjoyed the high life, reminds me of the fire brigade leader shagging his girlfriend in a top hotel on ex's when his union were on strike. .....you really don't like the Trades Unions it seems. Writing for myself, various Trades Unions have got me out of the shit on many occasions due to my various confrontations with half wit management. BTW, I know of many a corrupt and inept manager that has got protection via being a Freemason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 .....you really don't like the Trades Unions it seems. Writing for myself, various Trades Unions have got me out of the shit on many occasions due to my various confrontations with half wit management. BTW, I know of many a corrupt and inept manager that has got protection via being a Freemason. I had the unfortunate experience of having join a union to take a job in the printing industry, a closed shop if you will (human rights eh?). Forced to go to several union meetings (and I mean forced) I never had to spend so much time with so many lazy pathetic, blinkered, sheep with no ideas of their own, 'put your hand up now', 'sign this', 'do this', it was pathetic, nobody was allowed an opinion that didn't emanate from the union rep, it was totally laughable, there wasn't one man amongst them only pathetic sheep. The only reason I took the job was because it was 3 times more than I was earning in my previous job and I knew in 3 months I had a proper job lined up, the saddest part was the printers and printers labourers were well paid and I mean well paid and they didn't give a **** about anybody else in the union movement. So you are right not a lot of time for unions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I had the unfortunate experience of having join a union to take a job in the printing industry, a closed shop if you will (human rights eh?). Forced to go to several union meetings (and I mean forced) I never had to spend so much time with so many lazy pathetic, blinkered, sheep with no ideas of their own, 'put your hand up now', 'sign this', 'do this', it was pathetic, nobody was allowed an opinion that didn't emanate from the union rep, it was totally laughable, there wasn't one man amongst them only pathetic sheep. The only reason I took the job was because it was 3 times more than I was earning in my previous job and I knew in 3 months I had a proper job lined up, the saddest part was the printers and printers labourers were well paid and I mean well paid and they didn't give a **** about anybody else in the union movement. So you are right not a lot of time for unions. .....so, you were earning 3 times more than in your previous job - being in a strong Union really did mean better pay back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 140k a year for a union boss is scandalous, especially one who enjoyed the high life, reminds me of the fire brigade leader shagging his girlfriend in a top hotel on ex's when his union were on strike. And yet claimed to be a bloody commie. Yeah, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 .....so, you were earning 3 times more than in your previous job - being in a strong Union really did mean better pay back in the day. Back in the day perhaps, but these days unions are simply there to protect the lazy and useless who now how to play the system and keep the subs rolling in. Every once in a while they pretend they're going to make a stand but then roll over and have their bellies tickled after we've lost a couple of days pay in a strike and they haven't I'm a massive supporter of trade unionism, but the current bunch of unions can go swivel for my contributions unless they pull their collective fingers out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 .....so, you were earning 3 times more than in your previous job - being in a strong Union really did mean better pay back in the day. The previous job was as an apprentice, my Mrs was earning more in Will's. I like to make my own mind up how I vote and whether or not I actually join a union or not, but hey if you like being a sheep then that's fine and of course it wasn't that many years later when the voting public got pissed off with the antics of the unions and gave Maggie 3 mandates to sort them out and the rest is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 The previous job was as an apprentice, my Mrs was earning more in Will's. I like to make my own mind up how I vote and whether or not I actually join a union or not, but hey if you like being a sheep then that's fine and of course it wasn't that many years later when the voting public got pissed off with the antics of the unions and gave Maggie 3 mandates to sort them out and the rest is history. The first full time job I had my workplace was a closed shop - you had to agree to be in the T&GWU to get a job there. The T&GWU was an excellent union in my opinion and so was the Post Office UCW union that I joined a few years later. I think it's vital for today's young workers to be in a Union - as they are most likely to be vulnerable to exploitation as some unscrupulous employers will assume that they are less likely to know their rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 The first full time job I had my workplace was a closed shop - you had to agree to be in the T&GWU to get a job there. The T&GWU was an excellent union in my opinion and so was the Post Office UCW union that I joined a few years later. I think it's vital for today's young workers to be in a Union - as they are most likely to be vulnerable to exploitation as some unscrupulous employers will assume that they are less likely to know their rights. Yes join a union by choice and being able to vote with your conscience and not because one of the flock has told you how to vote, you always talk about your grandad I believe fighting in WW2, well don't you think he fought for that right?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Yes join a union by choice and being able to vote with your conscience and not because one of the flock has told you how to vote, you always talk about your grandad I believe fighting in WW2, well don't you think he fought for that right?. My Grandad that was in the RAF joined the railway union when he left the forces. My other Grandfather was an Army officer and a Freemason - I suppose that in its pure form being a Freemason is being a union member. Brotherhood - Brother Trades Unionist and Brother mason. In Hitler's Germany you were frowned upon as a Trades Unionist and especially as a Freemason - so by resisting Hitler's EU 3rd Reich tyranny they both fought for their freedom to be a Trades Unionist or Mason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkRockDad Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Bob Crow unashamedly stood-up for the working class. He very much described himself as a socialist who wanted to create a world without gross inequality and exploitation. The right wing (including the right in the Labour Party) feigned to attack him for his 'champagne lifestyle' but the real reason they hounded him was because he was far too effective for their liking. In the words of the late Joe Hill: 'Don't Mourn - Organise'!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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