ciderbeans Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Seems to be getting rave reviews at Cheltenham. Getting MOM and fans stating he's been one of their best players. Seems he's capable in league 2. I wonder if after this season, he could step up into our first team squad for next season? Once Fontaine has gone and nosworthy has returned to Watford, there should surely be a place for him as back up. I've never seen him play but what are people's thoughts about him if you have any further knowledge on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Played at right back last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Seems to be getting rave reviews at Cheltenham. Getting MOM and fans stating he's been one of their best players. Seems he's capable in league 2. I wonder if after this season, he could step up into our first team squad for next season? Once Fontaine has gone and nosworthy has returned to Watford, there should surely be a place for him as back up. I've never seen him play but what are people's thoughts about him if you have any further knowledge on him? he's played 3 times out of a possible 10 games for cheltenham, twice as a right back back including a game where they conceded 4 in 20 minutes, so he's not really getting rave reviews, he'll go the same way as Marlon Jackson and Frankie Artus, promising but not really good enough for league football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 From someone I know who goes to Cheltenham its hit and miss - played first 2 games in Feb at right back, including the game where Chesterfield scored 4 in about 20 minutes then dropped and was an un used sub in the 3 games that followed, been recalled for the last 2 games again at right back and been getting better reviews... Thoughts below on Cheltenham forums: http://www.robinsnestforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16000&sid=4b0eb71c5fa7d0f4af0d864df99140f0 http://www.robinsnestforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15976 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 he's played 3 times out of a possible 10 games for cheltenham, twice as a right back back including a game where they conceded 4 in 20 minutes, so he's not really getting rave reviews, he'll go the same way as Marlon Jackson and Frankie Artus, promising but not really good enough for league football As long as you're optimistic about his prospects, Monk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 he's played 3 times out of a possible 10 games for cheltenham, twice as a right back back including a game where they conceded 4 in 20 minutes, so he's not really getting rave reviews, he'll go the same way as Marlon Jackson and Frankie Artus, promising but not really good enough for league football You're probably right I suspect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Monkeh Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 As long as you're optimistic about his prospects, Monk! We've seen it so many times before sadly, he's 20 this year and really needs to be playing in order to improve, We've got el abd, Flint, Williams, Osborne here and he's not going to displace any of them, He is promising and maybe right back is his postion but again we have maloney and Osborne who can play there and he isn't going to displace them, What happens in the summer will be key, he is secures a season long loan somewhere at a good standard then he may well be in future plans, But out of a stright choice between him and batton I'd have to say batton would get the nod and even he is nowhere near ready to step up to our first team, Lets see how he perfroms between now and the end of the season at Cheltenham, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 We've seen it so many times before sadly, he's 20 this year and really needs to be playing in order to improve, We've got el abd, Flint, Williams, Osborne here and he's not going to displace any of them, He is promising and maybe right back is his postion but again we have maloney and Osborne who can play there and he isn't going to displace them, What happens in the summer will be key, he is secures a season long loan somewhere at a good standard then he may well be in future plans, But out of a stright choice between him and batton I'd have to say batton would get the nod and even he is nowhere near ready to step up to our first team, Lets see how he perfroms between now and the end of the season at Cheltenham, No he can't. Yes his goal at Brentford was good but defensively poor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 No he can't. Yes his goal at Brentford was good but defensively poor there. he went off injured just after he scored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 he went off injured just after he scored He played there at Sheff Utd too and was woeful. He is, in my opinion, our best centre half, he's not a right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 We've seen it so many times before sadly, he's 20 this year and really needs to be playing in order to improve, We've got el abd, Flint, Williams, Osborne here and he's not going to displace any of them, He is promising and maybe right back is his postion but again we have maloney and Osborne who can play there and he isn't going to displace them, What happens in the summer will be key, he is secures a season long loan somewhere at a good standard then he may well be in future plans, But out of a stright choice between him and batton I'd have to say batton would get the nod and even he is nowhere near ready to step up to our first team, Lets see how he perfroms between now and the end of the season at Cheltenham, All fair points, though I can't comment on him and Batton as I've never seen the latter play. I agree with WTTJ that I don't want to see Osborne at right back unless we have a proper crisis. He's not horrendous there but it'd be nice if we played our best players in their best positions and he is arguably our best centre half. If Brundle is a half decent full back then he's well worth retaining as cover for Moloney. We've been paper thin in both full back positions for a few years now, I think it's this ludicrous perception that it isn't a specialist position and you can chuck a centre half or midfielder there if needs be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderbeans Posted March 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 That's been our down fall tbh, playing defenders out of their natural position. We went a large period not playin Moloney at rb when he is great in that role and would have made us a more solid unit. Trouble was, we went from almost no centre back to four or five and were just trying to fit them all on for the sake of it. I would suggest Williams and osbourne are our best centre backs and Moloney ad Cunningham are our best full backs and we should stick to 4 at the back. Do whatever else you want with the midfield and strikers because we know what they can do. Our problem has always been conceding too many and we must start with a settled defence next season to have a chance of doing well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 That's been our down fall tbh, playing defenders out of their natural position. We went a large period not playin Moloney at rb when he is great in that role and would have made us a more solid unit. Trouble was, we went from almost no centre back to four or five and were just trying to fit them all on for the sake of it. I would suggest Williams and osbourne are our best centre backs and Moloney ad Cunningham are our best full backs and we should stick to 4 at the back. Do whatever else you want with the midfield and strikers because we know what they can do. Our problem has always been conceding too many and we must start with a settled defence next season to have a chance of doing well Agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 All fair points, though I can't comment on him and Batton as I've never seen the latter play. I agree with WTTJ that I don't want to see Osborne at right back unless we have a proper crisis. He's not horrendous there but it'd be nice if we played our best players in their best positions and he is arguably our best centre half. If Brundle is a half decent full back then he's well worth retaining as cover for Moloney. We've been paper thin in both full back positions for a few years now, I think it's this ludicrous perception that it isn't a specialist position and you can chuck a centre half or midfielder there if needs be... I'd put the awful osborne ahead of brundle still at the moment simpley because we need experiance in our current predicament, Hell I'd even play wagstaff there, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdliketoRogerMoore Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 That's been our down fall tbh, playing defenders out of their natural position. We went a large period not playin Moloney at rb when he is great in that role and would have made us a more solid unit. Trouble was, we went from almost no centre back to four or five and were just trying to fit them all on for the sake of it. I would suggest Williams and osbourne are our best centre backs and Moloney ad Cunningham are our best full backs and we should stick to 4 at the back. Do whatever else you want with the midfield and strikers because we know what they can do. Our problem has always been conceding too many and we must start with a settled defence next season to have a chance of doing welli would argue that our midfield had been equally weak defensively offering no protection for a shaky back 4 or 3 by not putting in tackles or not tracking runners! Things have picked up recently so let's just hope for a steady improvement from here until the summer and look to build for next season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 I'd put the awful osborne ahead of brundle still at the moment simpley because we need experiance in our current predicament, Hell I'd even play wagstaff there, If the likes of Brundle aren't good enough to come in and do us a job for a few games then what's the point of having them in the squad. Osborne is far from awful (I suspect that was tongue-in-cheek) at full back but why play your best players out of position? You play your best players in their best positions and fill any gaps you have with what is left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 If the likes of Brundle aren't good enough to come in and do us a job for a few games then what's the point of having them in the squad. Osborne is far from awful (I suspect that was tongue-in-cheek) at full back but why play your best players out of position? You play your best players in their best positions and fill any gaps you have with what is left. Not while we are in a relegation battle, that is not the time to blood youngsters (that and the fact he's out on loan till the end of the season) If we were tighter at the back and maybe 10 points clear of the drop not 5, then I would consider blooding a young lad with no experiance but not in out current prediciment, Thats also the reason Bryan, Reid and Burns aren't playing regularly (all be it those are being blooded because they are deemed good enough), If Brundle was good enough he's be on the bench here SC has shown he's not against playing young players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderbeans Posted March 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Interestingly, wynter is being played regularly at rb for the u-21's. I wonder if they feel this may be a better position for him. Alternatively, it may be the case that they need to put him somewhere, but there are better players in midfield than him. Will be interesting to see where he development goes. Could be an understudy for Moloney at some point given he has been on the first team bench occasionally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Interestingly, wynter is being played regularly at rb for the u-21's. I wonder if they feel this may be a better position for him. Alternatively, it may be the case that they need to put him somewhere, but there are better players in midfield than him.Will be interesting to see where he development goes. Could be an understudy for Moloney at some point given he has been on the first team bench occasionally Could be and as I said it will be intresting what happens in the summer, is he still under contract at the end of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderbeans Posted March 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Wynter was signed on a 2 year deal so has a year left. He doesn't seem to have progressed too much this year but yes, I imagine next year is a big one for him. Make or break so to speak. I do hope he pushes himself in but at this point, with the players SC prefers in midfield, I can't see him being given the chance. His only hope maybe at rb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Wynter was signed on a 2 year deal so has a year left. He doesn't seem to have progressed too much this year but yes, I imagine next year is a big one for him. Make or break so to speak. I do hope he pushes himself in but at this point, with the players SC prefers in midfield, I can't see him being given the chance. His only hope maybe at rb I was asking about Brundles contact CB, Wynter has been a disapointment to be fair, but he's young enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Not while we are in a relegation battle, that is not the time to blood youngsters (that and the fact he's out on loan till the end of the season) If we were tighter at the back and maybe 10 points clear of the drop not 5, then I would consider blooding a young lad with no experiance but not in out current prediciment, Thats also the reason Bryan, Reid and Burns aren't playing regularly (all be it those are being blooded because they are deemed good enough), If Brundle was good enough he's be on the bench here SC has shown he's not against playing young players I'm not talking about chucking anybody in at this point, nor am I criticising the manager for failing to do so. What I'm saying is that if you have players absent then you have to play the younger guys or there is no point in having them in the squad at all. Playing experienced guys out of position for the sake of getting experience in the team makes no sense to me at all. As for Brundle, he's certainly getting more out of playing for Cheltenham then he would be sat on our bench and, to clarify, I am making a general point and not saying that we should be playing him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderbeans Posted March 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Ah ryt monkeh. Not sure about brindled contract. Only signed in summer though from Yeovil so maybe he's on a development contract. Not sure of time frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 I was asking about Brundles contact CB, Wynter has been a disapointment to be fair, but he's young enough I would agree that it's a disappointment that he hasn't played much of a part this season, but he looked good early on which maybe suggests he's not putting it in on the training ground? Cotterill asked once if he could play in what he calls a 'quarterback' role (defensive midfielder I think he meant) and in my opinion this looks like the position that most suits him. But Cotterill knows more than i do I guess as he sees him play every day but he did look promising at first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 I would agree that it's a disappointment that he hasn't played much of a part this season, but he looked good early on which maybe suggests he's not putting it in on the training ground? Cotterill asked once if he could play in what he calls a 'quarterback' role (defensive midfielder I think he meant) and in my opinion this looks like the position that most suits him. But Cotterill knows more than i do I guess as he sees him play every day but he did look promising at first Gillett is currently a better option then wytner, but people who have watched the under 21's (I haven't caught many this season) say he hasn't been perfroming weel at all (up until about decemeber) But he has been making the bench in a few games so maybe he's starting to push again, I agree he did look very good but unlike williams he didn't kick on, Williams at times looked like bamby on ice (Wolves away being a prime example) but he's starting to look assured now which is a good thing, I'd still like to see more of Wes Burns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Think we can all but forget about Wynter. SC couldn't find a good word to say about him at the Q & A a couple of months back. SC clearly doesn't rate him. He'll move on in the summer I'd have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderbeans Posted March 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 He's got a year year left KITR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 He's got a year year left KITR SC doesn't rate him mate, he won't get first team games here. He's not on a big wage at all, best for both parties if he moves on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderbeans Posted March 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 At his age, it would be silly not to keep him on. Definate potential there, may just take longer to reach it. If he is on low wage, it's not harming the club having a young prospect like wynter on the books who could turn out to be a good player in the future. We are all too easy to dismiss. The only thing I would say in your favour is he's not a SC type of player. And by that, I mean experienced and determined. All we can do is wait to see what happens but IMO, I do hope he progresses with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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