Barrs Court Red Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 As part of further sanctions Russia may lose out.... I assume the "new" Ashton Gate wouldn't be part of a last minute England bid now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngineerRed Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Can't see FIFA being elbowed out of the equation over this. Is this even possible? Even the revamped Ashton Gate wouldn't get a sniff. It'll only be on a par at best with dozens of other stadia, and I believe, although I may be wrong, that part of a World Cup stadium criteria is 40k seater? On top of all this, FIFA would rather give it to North Korea than here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I'll be amazed if FIFA take the world cup away from Russia, they tend to make a bit of a song and dance about their lack of political bias. Far more likely is that individual football associations decide not to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I expect FIFA have already been paid for the world cup in Russia, and I don't imagine they've got the balls to upset all the "connected" rich Russians they took the money from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Have Russia done something wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Have Russia done something wrong? Aside from using special forces to incite an armed rebellion in another nation, providing weaponry used in mass murder of civilians, and now encroaching militarily into that country you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Aside from using special forces to incite an armed rebellion in another nation, providing weaponry used in mass murder of civilians, and now encroaching militarily into that country you mean? Are you talking about the Russians or Americans!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngineerRed Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Oh here we go. Bore, bore, political bore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Are you talking about the Russians or Americans!? It's terrible when it's someone else and not us doing it, isn't it. When it's us and the Americans invading countries, we are protecting peoples freedom and democracy etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Oh here we go. Bore, bore, political bore. That's ok. Just put your fingers in your ears, shut your eyes and go "la la la" and the nasty man will go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rizzle Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 It's terrible when it's someone else and not us doing it, isn't it. When it's us and the Americans invading countries, we are protecting peoples freedom and democracy etc. etc. Chip. Shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Chip. Shoulder. Truth. Hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I read I'm the guardian that there is actually a technical risk that they could lose the world cup due to encouraging teams from areas of Ukraine such as Crimea and Donetsk to play in the Russian leagues. Uefa considers these areas to be part of the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian fa so if they so wished they could take action against Russia up to and including banning Russian clubs and the Russian national team from international competitions. More here: http://gu.com/p/4vzpp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Chip. Shoulder. Berk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I agree that the government in Kiev is unlawful and the Russians living in Ukraine did not vote for it but the Russians as usual are reacting like, well, Russians. They need to step back and help their people in Ukraine in a different way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 If Uefa had any balls they would withdraw all euopian teams from the World Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 If Uefa had any balls they would withdraw all euopian teams from the World Cup Yep, the one in Qatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Will UWE be ready by then?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Lewis Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Does anyone on here really think Putin will stop with Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Perhaps the FA could make a stand and take all the Russian money out of the Premier league?? Thought not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I agree that the government in Kiev is unlawful and the Russians living in Ukraine did not vote for it but the Russians as usual are reacting like, well, Russians. They need to step back and help their people in Ukraine in a different way. Why do you think that? They've held elections, which is rather more than has happened in the Donetsk People's Republic. Seems fair enough. A country staged a popular uprising to rid itself of a president who imprisoned political opponents, distributed state industries to his son and other cronies, used snipers to fire on unarmed protesters and used the nation's wealth to - among other things - make himself a solid gold set of golf clubs and a full-scale pirate galleon*. As soon as was possible, the interim administration held elections and voted the guy presently in charge with 57% of the vote in an election that was considered fair by the OCSE. * http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26307745 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Are you talking about the Russians or Americans!? Russia obviously. If you're going to argue that what they're doing is OK because the yanks did the same I'd point out that they didn't do the same, I didn't support what they did do, and it's not relevant. Russia are miles into the wrong here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Russia obviously. If you're going to argue that what they're doing is OK because the yanks did the same I'd point out that they didn't do the same, I didn't support what they did do, and it's not relevant. Russia are miles into the wrong here. No, I'm not arguing for the Russians or the Yanks, neither of them can occupy the moral high ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Why do you think that? They've held elections, which is rather more than has happened in the Donetsk People's Republic. Seems fair enough. A country staged a popular uprising to rid itself of a president who imprisoned political opponents, distributed state industries to his son and other cronies, used snipers to fire on unarmed protesters and used the nation's wealth to - among other things - make himself a solid gold set of golf clubs and a full-scale pirate galleon*. As soon as was possible, the interim administration held elections and voted the guy presently in charge with 57% of the vote in an election that was considered fair by the OCSE. * http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26307745 They have held elections but only after the existing president was unlawfully removed. I understand that 75% was required in Parliament to remove him but they came up about ten votes short of that figure thus making the act unconstitutional. Yanukovic(sp?) was a pretty bad egg admittedly (there are plenty of those around) but they only had to wait a short while to get rid of him in the next election. Of course coming from the Donetsk region and in a country where more Russian is spoken than Ukrainian it is open to question whether or not he could have held on, hence the civil war that is now taking place. After being prodded and poked by EU expansionism (he must have wondered why the EU could possibly be interested in a country with an economy in far,far worse shape than that of Bulgaria for instance) Putin took the inevitable action in the Crimea to protect Russian interests. He now needs a land corridor to the Crimea. As I have said on another thread the best way for this to come about would be for the people in the east of the Ukraine to be given a referendum and to vote to join the Russian Federation. The bellicose noises emanating from our unelected 'leaders' in Brussels and our own idiot Cameron would appear to make this outcome unlikely. Keep up the good work Nigel and take us out of this madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 They have held elections but only after the existing president was unlawfully removed. I understand that 75% was required in Parliament to remove him but they came up about ten votes short of that figure thus making the act unconstitutional. Yanukovic(sp?) was a pretty bad egg admittedly (there are plenty of those around) but they only had to wait a short while to get rid of him in the next election. Of course coming from the Donetsk region and in a country where more Russian is spoken than Ukrainian it is open to question whether or not he could have held on, hence the civil war that is now taking place. After being prodded and poked by EU expansionism (he must have wondered why the EU could possibly be interested in a country with an economy in far,far worse shape than that of Bulgaria for instance) Putin took the inevitable action in the Crimea to protect Russian interests. He now needs a land corridor to the Crimea. As I have said on another thread the best way for this to come about would be for the people in the east of the Ukraine to be given a referendum and to vote to join the Russian Federation. The bellicose noises emanating from our unelected 'leaders' in Brussels and our own idiot Cameron would appear to make this outcome unlikely. Keep up the good work Nigel and take us out of this madness. Most of the "separatists" fighting to "return" to Russia seem to be Russian regular soldiers from across the border in unmarked clothing. Technically speaking mercenaries who could be shot without the Geneva Convention applying. You say EU "meddling" pushed Putin into this; I say he was looking for a chance to flex his military muscles, knowing that no-one's going to help Ukraine militarily and his little 5' 4ins "hardman" image (that plays well with the hapless Russki plebs) will be boosted by a partial reclaiming of the Soviet empire - allowing said plebs to overlook the multiple billions being syphoned off by him and his kleptocracy. The Donetesk region, as I've pointed out before, has always been part of Ukraine: it just happens to have been settled by imported industrial workers and miners from across the old USSR. There is no excuse for his action. You say Ukrainians only had to wait "a short time" before getting rid of Yanukovych, but who's to say he'd allow that to happen. He'd already imprisoned the leading opposition figures and was riding roughshod over the country's constitution, so to quote niceties like what percentage of parliament was required to impeach him is to ignore the basic disregard for law of his regime. The fact that, like Caucescu, he was willing to use snipers to break up demonstrations by people holding placards, speaks volumes. Anyway, we're now firmly in the "non-football chat" territory. We should take this over there, if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Most of the "separatists" fighting to "return" to Russia seem to be Russian regular soldiers from across the border in unmarked clothing. Technically speaking mercenaries who could be shot without the Geneva Convention applying. You say EU "meddling" pushed Putin into this; I say he was looking for a chance to flex his military muscles, knowing that no-one's going to help Ukraine militarily and his little 5' 4ins "hardman" image (that plays well with the hapless Russki plebs) will be boosted by a partial reclaiming of the Soviet empire - allowing said plebs to overlook the multiple billions being syphoned off by him and his kleptocracy. The Donetesk region, as I've pointed out before, has always been part of Ukraine: it just happens to have been settled by imported industrial workers and miners from across the old USSR. There is no excuse for his action. You say Ukrainians only had to wait "a short time" before getting rid of Yanukovych, but who's to say he'd allow that to happen. He'd already imprisoned the leading opposition figures and was riding roughshod over the country's constitution, so to quote niceties like what percentage of parliament was required to impeach him is to ignore the basic disregard for law of his regime. The fact that, like Caucescu, he was willing to use snipers to break up demonstrations by people holding placards, speaks volumes. Anyway, we're now firmly in the "non-football chat" territory. We should take this over there, if necessary. Well we can disagree over there as well I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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