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[Jesus]

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#city wave

 

 

I'm getting a bit fed-up with this City Wave bashing.  Last week at MK, the scarves were actually suggested by a few of us here on the forum.  Myself and BS3 and a lot of other fans.  We actually contacted the club and asked them to advertise it on the official club website and on twitter, which they did.  So it was actually a fans project, which actually turned out to work really well.  It created an atmosphere, and in my opinion looked amazing. For me it was the best away atmosphere since Charlton. 

 

So what is your problem with that? Is it the hashtag "city wave" you've got an issue with? I used to stand in the EastEnd for years, so as I suggested the wave at MK, does that now make me plastic and manufactured? I'm confused.  Or is it a case of face doesn't it? I really don't get what you want.  You want an atmosphere, but only if its on your terms, is that right? 

[RedRaw]

RedRaw I don't wish to shove my nose into a very entertaining battle of verbal wits between you and others - but on facts alone (maybe with the exception of your connection with BS) the "others" win hands down.

I'm independent in this, I sit in the Dolman. It is a fact that the Eastenders have never demanded anything and nor do they think they are better than anyone else. They just want to support the club in their way, and obstacles are continuously put up; the Bristol Sport Ashton Gate football stadium would be a whole lot poorer without them.

Carry on!

And as I have said on many occasions, I have no problem with the principles of what they want or what they want to create, I used to be an eastender myself, it's just the way that some of them have gone about it over the past few months that I don't agree with

[RedRaw]

I'm getting a bit fed-up with this City Wave bashing. Last week at MK, the scares were actually suggested by a few of us here on the forum. Myself and BS3 and a lot of other fans. We actually contacted the club and asked them to advertise it on the official club website and on twitter, which they did. So it was actually a fans project, which actually turned out to work really well. It created an atmosphere, and in my opinion looked amazing. For me it was the best away atmosphere since Charlton away.

So what is your problem with that? Is it the hashtag "city wave" you've got an issue with? I used to stand in the EastEnd for years, so as I suggested the wave at MK, does that now make me plastic and manufactured? I'm confused. Or is it a case of face doesn't it? I really don't get what you want. You want an atmosphere, but only if its on your terms, is that right?

I think that about sums it up badger

[RedRaw]

Incorrect.

Others made that clear link. Others who are not pat of this Mob you feel exists and appear to not inhabit either the Eastend of the past or the club created singing block.

No demands were made of the FC at the relocation meeting. None at all. Fact.

So your denying that you personally didn't accuse me of working for or having a connection with the club?

It's a shame a lot of the old stadium threads have gone because it would prove you are also a liar

[WTMS]

So your denying that you personally didn't accuse me of working for or having a connection with the club?

It's a shame a lot of the old stadium threads have gone because it would prove you are also a liar

You are playing with words again.

So your denying that you personally didn't accuse me of working for the club or BS?

Yes.

Others made that observation.

[NickJ]

I'm getting a bit fed-up with this City Wave bashing.  Last week at MK, the scarves were actually suggested by a few of us here on the forum.  Myself and BS3 and a lot of other fans.  We actually contacted the club and asked them to advertise it on the official club website and on twitter, which they did.  So it was actually a fans project, which actually turned out to work really well.  It created an atmosphere, and in my opinion looked amazing. For me it was the best away atmosphere since Charlton. 

 

So what is your problem with that? Is it the hashtag "city wave" you've got an issue with? I used to stand in the EastEnd for years, so as I suggested the wave at MK, does that now make me plastic and manufactured? I'm confused.  Or is it a case of face doesn't it? I really don't get what you want.  You want an atmosphere, but only if its on your terms, is that right?

You're missing the point. The scarve wave may have been picked up by fans at MK, but it was initially instigated by the club.

Don't get me wrong, I have no beef with the club trying to start something off, and its a free world, if fans want to go along with it, fine.

However many don't want to conform, they want to support the club in their own way, and the PROBLEM with ~scravewave is it has coincided with a stifling by the club of how those fans are able to support their team.

[RedRaw]

You are playing with words again.

So your denying that you personally didn't accuse me of working for the club or BS?

Yes.

Others made that observation.

whereas others may well have accused me, you were also one of them.

it was based on your constant accusations that I got a mod to prove otherwise and you still wouldn't accept it, then or now

[Super]

Didn't see any scores yesterday but guessing we lost....

[Jesus]

You're missing the point. The scarve wave may have been picked up by fans at MK, but it was initially instigated by the club.

Don't get me wrong, I have no beef with the club trying to start something off, and its a free world, if fans want to go along with it, fine.

However many don't want to conform, they want to support the club in their own way, and the PROBLEM with ~scravewave is it has coincided with a stifling by the club of how those fans are able to support their team.

 

I don't think I have missed the point at all.  

 

I don't get how you can say this "Don't get me wrong, I have no beef with the club trying to start something off, and its a free world, if fans want to go along with it, fine", but then go on to say,  "however many don't want to conform, they want to support the club in their own way". 

 

Isn't this just one oxymoron? 

 

Now I'm really confused. 

 

Looks like the fans are supporting their club in their "own way"... 90% of them here in this video.  Fast forward to 1:10. If that is plastic, then i have no idea what you want.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy_ZUyzbK6U

[Bar BS3]

You're missing the point. The scarve wave may have been picked up by fans at MK, but it was initially instigated by the club.

Don't get me wrong, I have no beef with the club trying to start something off, and its a free world, if fans want to go along with it, fine.

However many don't want to conform, they want to support the club in their own way, and the PROBLEM with ~scravewave is it has coincided with a stifling by the club of how those fans are able to support their team.

The scarves have been the only real winner as far as atmosphere goes this season.

The problem us that these other "lads" who are too cool to wave a scarf that the club provide, have offered bugger all as an alternative.

Sing up or shut up and stop being so precious about what creates atmosphere and who's idea it was.

The club have tried to help, too many on here just try to hinder.

[WTMS]

it was based on your constant accusations that I got a mod to prove otherwise and you still wouldn't accept it, then or now

Can you provide links to these constant accusations? The answer will be a no as it also was with the "demands".

[RedRaw]

Can you provide links to these constant accusations? The answer will be a no as it also was with the "demands".

As I stated previously, those threads no longer appear in mainly the stadium forum.

When I a get chance on a PC, I'll dig through my posting history

[WTFiGO!?!]

I'm getting a bit fed-up with this City Wave bashing.  Last week at MK, the scarves were actually suggested by a few of us here on the forum.  Myself and BS3 and a lot of other fans.  We actually contacted the club and asked them to advertise it on the official club website and on twitter, which they did.  So it was actually a fans project, which actually turned out to work really well.  It created an atmosphere, and in my opinion looked amazing. For me it was the best away atmosphere since Charlton. 

 

So what is your problem with that? Is it the hashtag "city wave" you've got an issue with? I used to stand in the EastEnd for years, so as I suggested the wave at MK, does that now make me plastic and manufactured? I'm confused.  Or is it a case of face doesn't it? I really don't get what you want.  You want an atmosphere, but only if its on your terms, is that right?

It's not Gaza Strip complicated but, theoretically, it isn't straight forward.

The #wave was manufactured by a group who lots resent for appearing to assume the right to tell people when to eat, sleep and shit.

Nothing personal against you and fair play for creating a good atmosphere at MK.

Just the people who came up with it originally are the same people who have removed long standing rights of people to support the club in the way they want to. Ultras/ Wurzel loyal flags as the obvious example.

#eat, sleep and shit when we tell you - appears to be the subliminal message of BS (and no, I'm not paranoid).

[Londoner]

Those kids that stand on the seats are the future fans of the club, theres a little guy that always stands near me on the seat and i sometimes find myself thinking back on when i was that age and wanting to learn the songs and all that tom foolery.

Yes the general vibe isnt that great up there but to be fair, it beats sitting up in the dolman, the club made a point of saying that over the next few seasons everyone will be unhappy and uprooted while the redevelopment takes place and problems like these will arise.

Personally i think that once all is finished and we have a brand new stadium, people will find thier feet in a new section of the ground (if they let us stand) and a new Eastend/Southstand/Signing section will be born, lets just stick with it for the next two years, enjoy the league posistion and the football and see where we go from there.

Fresh stadium, fresh optimism, fresh feelings will follow once all is shiney and new?

i promise i havent smoked anything today either.

Couldn't give a shit if they are the future of our club....

[dezgimed]

Do grown men really say LDN?

[Londoner]

Do grown men really say LDN?

Quicker than typing London. Pretty obvious really.

[Mad Cyril]

It's not Gaza Strip complicated but, theoretically, it isn't straight forward.

The #wave was manufactured by a group who lots resent for appearing to assume the right to tell people when to eat, sleep and shit.

Nothing personal against you and fair play for creating a good atmosphere at MK.

Just the people who came up with it originally are the same people who have removed long standing rights of people to support the club in the way they want to. Ultras/ Wurzel loyal flags as the obvious example.

#eat, sleep and shit when we tell you - appears to be the subliminal message of BS (and no, I'm not paranoid).

Well I hope they post permission to pooh soon or I am going to mess myself again.

[cider head]

Please can someone who attended the Eastend Williams relocation meeting explain what was demanded/suggested so those of us who were not lucky enough to be present can decide the merits of these demands/suggestions.

 

Questions asked but no Demands.

 

 

Q: Where will the away fans be going?

 

A: In the Atyeo, but not decided which side yet due to the fact there are current season ticket holders and the family section who we need to speak to like we are with you guys tonight, thoughts are the Atyeo would be split segregation not to much difference than the current Eastend.

 

 

 

Q: Is there scope to provide unreserved areas in a stand e.g Williams E-F?

 

 (although at first the club bods seemed puzzled by the term unreserved as EE tickets have seat numbers, once explained it was yes)

 

 A. Yes the club will look to put 500 seats in the area of Williams D, E & F Blocks

 

 

 

Q: What will the tolerance to some forms of so called bad language be seeing that some songs and chants heard in the Eastend contain the odd p's & q's?

 

 

A: Common sense will be applied however please have a look around you and self assess before using certain forms of language but be mindful that aggressive language inflicted to any persons getting in to peoples faces would not be tolerated, fan to fan or fan to staff..

 

Also please be mindful of the recently installed disabled section in the Williams as they had a torrid time during the Bristol derby with city fans trying to climb over them to get at the Rovers fans.

 

Also please be mindful of the recently installed disabled section in the Williams as they had a torrid time during the Bristol derby with city fans trying to climb over them to get at the Rovers fans.

 

At this point, it was pointed out this was rare and would not happen due to a building site with no away

fans next to the stand to attract this type of behaviour and flash points tends to be near the away fans

but are more rare these days.

 

 

 

Q: Can fans that are in the East end now transfer out this season to other stands?

 

A: Yes, call the ticket office

 

 

Q: If fans moved to this Williams D, E & F Blocks then what bar facilities would be available?

 

A: There is the legends bar (although a small room with limited numbers) and also kiosks which sell alcohol, We can also move the EE natch bar over to the Williams if needed.

 

 

Q: Can we still use the flags on poles in the Williams area?

 

A: Yes in the lower area but be mindful of the weather conditions and Justin (the new safety officer said to the lad asking the question) I noticed one of you trying to fly it in high wind the other week and you almost got blown over so just want to make sure you are safe and those around you but yes no problem with flags on poles and this is also the case with the surfer flags.

 

 

 

 Q: What will the tolerance to standing be as regards to the current East end?

 

 A: Let's make it clear Ashton gate is an all seated stadium and in various areas of Ashton gate like the Dolman stand zero tolerance to standing will be applied, however in areas like the lower rakes of stands like the Williams for example some common sense would be applied but we have to state again Ashton gate is an all seated stadium. Also zero tolerance to standing will apply to any segregation area in the Atyeo.

 

 

 

Q: Cardiff have an official standing area so can Bristol city?

 

A: Not quite true it is not an official area and people jumped the gun in the media, however they do use a common sense approach a bit like the East end but again the official line is All seated stadiums until such time the the legislation changes

 

 

 

Q: If you choose a stand to move to but do not like it then can you transfer to another stand and so on?

 

A: Yes that should not be a problem and call the ticket office

 

 

 

Q: Will any current East end prices be reflected in another stand e.g. areas next to a building site?

 

 A: The club will see that the East end fans moving would get a fair price and further announcements will be made after consulting the rest of the stands .

 

 

 

Q: Souvenir seats. Will these have a price?

 

 A: Yes for a small donation to the community trust no priced fixed as yet and we will be looking to do an open day for fans to come and take pictures and talk about souvenirs, buying stuff will need to be assessed as if someone wanted to buy part of the stands pillars then you would need to wait until the contractors can safely take it down. But please help us police things on the last home game as we don't want people ripping up stuff and taking it on that match day...

 

 

 

Q. Would the club consider selling some commemorative memorabilia e.g Robin badge with profits going towards flags or artwork?

 

A: You would have to speak to the retail manager in the city shop as he is not present tonight but we would not rule it out, but yes based on your designs come and have a chat.

 

 

 

Q: Will the area in front of the building work feature advertising, or could this be used for fans flags/artwork on boards?  

 

A: Yes parts possible advertising but no reason why flags and art can't go up with it..

 

 

 

Q: If a significant number of fans move into the Williams stand E-F would it be possible to move artwork on boards from the East end into the concourse?

 

A: Yes art work can be moved over get in touch to arrange this.

 

 

 

Q: Will there be a commemorative programme, and could this feature pictures of matches of the East end this season e.g. Swindon?

 

A: Yes but it is planned for the Preston home game as the club are doing a memories theme day in aid of Alzheimer's group, but also could put more in for the Crewe home game programme.

 

 

 

Q: Can supporters in other stands transfer into the Eastend in advance?

 

 A: Yes speak to the ticket office.

 

 

 

Q: If City are allowing as many fans as possible into the Eastend, will this mean City fans who occupy H block will have to move for the support of Crewe?

 

A: All depends on the scenario of the game ie: relegation or safety for both teams and how many

 

Crewe fans will come, we will try and find out in advance but thoughts are around 4-500 will come from Crewe, however we will do everything possible to get as many city fans in to the Eastend who wants to be in there.

 

 

 

Q: Would it be possible to have some form of confetti/streamer display in G-H block, and would fans be expected to clear up post display?

 

A: Yes but come and have a chat with the new safety officer (Justin) to bring him up to speed on how this works.

 

 

 

Q: Can we bring in inflatables for the last home game?

 

A: Yes as long as it is not offensive ie: no blow up porn dolls or inflatable cocks but sheep are ok..

 

 

 

Q: Would there be some sort of party or celebration to commemorate the Eastend?

 

A: Yes the club are looking in to doing something, maybe a band for some fans from the Eastend

 

although we know some of you will be at the three lions flag day,

 

 

 

Q: To Stuart Rogers (chairman of the supporters club and trust) Would the trust also consider doing a party to celebration to commemorate the Eastend like their forthcoming event of the 40th anniversary of FA cup Leeds v City? and invite former players..

 

 

A: Yes the trust could look at doing something, we were going to do a book about Ashton gate memories if we moved to Ashton vale, obviously this is not going to happen but we can rethink and look again at doing something..

 

 

 

 

 

 

David Lloyd's post on otib

 

Last night's EE consultation was very positive, and it's helped staff get a clear idea of the wishes of the supporters who attended. I think it's fair to say that there was very little disagreement on key issues. We'll be meeting internally next week so we can start to finalise arrangements for the Crewe game, and relocation next season.

 

 

Certain things still have to be finalised, and we still need to consult with fans in other stands who will be affected by phase one of the redevelopment.

 

Things I can say with some certainty which arose from last night are:

 

CREWE GAME

 

- We'll do everything we can to help promote a party atmosphere for the Crewe game.

- Please make suggestions as to what you would like to see. Inflatables welcome. Possibility of a  souvenir T shirt and maybe a band playing before the game were discussed. 

- We will have to give some of the EE to away fans, but will get as many City fans in as possible.

- We will hold an EE open day / evening, probably in the week following the Crewe game where people can come in, take photos etc. At this open day, people can also take away seats if they want to and our maintenance guys will assist with this. There will be no charge, but a donation to the Community Trust would be appreciated.

 

NEXT SEASON

 

- We think we have identified an area of the Williams stand where we can work with supporters to make sure the EE ethos continues next season. We will need to work together - staff and fans - to make that achievable. We will do everything we can to make this area affordable.

- Away fans will almost certainly be in the Atyeo next season, but we don't know which side yet. It's important that we consult with affected fans once we know for sure, and we will be holding a meeting for Atyeo fans in the next few weeks.

- We may also need to talk to some fans in the Williams and Dolman who may be affected by relocation / rebuilding next season.

- Once all the consultation is done we will announce details of pricing, phasing and relocation for next season.

 

The next two or three season will require a great deal of patience and understanding on all sides. We will work hard to make sure that everyone feels consulted and involved, and that all supporters concerns are met wherever possible. Please e-mail me at david.lloyd@bcfc.co.uk if you have any specific concerns.

[dezgimed]

Quicker than typing London. Pretty obvious really.

 

True. Imagine what you can do with that extra 1 second. Endless possibilities. 

[Londoner]

True. Imagine what you can do with that extra 1 second. Endless possibilities.

Maybe you should of thought about that before you wasted your time replying to my post.

[Wade Elliotts Quiff]

Have you complained out the singing section at wembley yet?.. I give it 20 minutes until after the final and you'll be moaning your arse off

[Londoner]

Have you complained out the singing section at wembley yet?.. I give it 20 minutes until after the final and you'll be moaning your arse off

Hopefully they will make some noise....because they certainly didn't Saturday.

[phantom]

Hopefully they will make some noise....because they certainly didn't Saturday.

 

"They" don't you mean "we" ?

[Londoner]

"They" don't you mean "we" ?

Won't be in singing section.

[Wade Elliotts Quiff]

Let us all know when its you trying to get a song going and "we" will all join in....

[dezgimed]

Let us all know when its you trying to get a song going and "we" will all join in....

 

Probably too cool for that, he's from LDN. 

[kevinmabbuttshair]

Won't be in singing section.

Does that mean you'll also have your voice box removed?

[Wade Elliotts Quiff]

Does that mean you'll also have your voice box removed?

You mean keyboard?.... :/

[Dave]

Thank You Cider head, for listing the questions and responses from the relocation meeting.

On reading, i think the Club were trying to enable a continuation of the East End experience with flexibility shown through providing a cheaper unreserved area and common sense approach to standing.

As a user of the mentioned wheelchair section, I do feel the Rovers game made the club very very nervous, I did not attend that game but heard quite a lot of horror stories from those that did, even needing to be moved and missing JETs goal.

I realise those involved that day, probably were not Eastenders but the Club are wary of not suffering a repeat, which I am glad to say has not occurred.

I am totally behind all types of support and filled the survey out to reflect that, however the Club has a duty to ensure that one fans style of support is not to the detriment of others. I can give numerous examples of that happening to me, eg, Supporters stood in front of me blocking my view of the proceedings., then accusing me of not being a proper supporter when I ask them to get out of my way.

I used to stand on the East End, and since it reopened one of my favourite memories was the "always believe" chant the East End started as Ben Watson stood over his penalty in the play offs, so I hope it can be recreated in the redeveloped stadium.

I feel sometimes on OTIB the Eastenders give the impression they are a special case, when we should be working together to get what is best for all supporters of our Club.

[WTMS]

Thank You Cider head, for listing the questions and responses from the relocation meeting.

On reading, i think the Club were trying to enable a continuation of the East End experience with flexibility shown through providing a cheaper unreserved area and common sense approach to standing.

As a user of the mentioned wheelchair section, I do feel the Rovers game made the club very very nervous, I did not attend that game but heard quite a lot of horror stories from those that did, even needing to be moved and missing JETs goal.

I realise those involved that day, probably were not Eastenders but the Club are wary of not suffering a repeat, which I am glad to say has not occurred.

I am totally behind all types of support and filled the survey out to reflect that, however the Club has a duty to ensure that one fans style of support is not to the detriment of others. I can give numerous examples of that happening to me, eg, Supporters stood in front of me blocking my view of the proceedings., then accusing me of not being a proper supporter when I ask them to get out of my way.

I used to stand on the East End, and since it reopened one of my favourite memories was the "always believe" chant the East End started as Ben Watson stood over his penalty in the play offs, so I hope it can be recreated in the redeveloped stadium.

I feel sometimes on OTIB the Eastenders give the impression they are a special case, when we should be working together to get what is best for all supporters of our Club.

And unfortunately there are a handful of posters who are continually prepared to post mistruths about a section of City fans. Some keep it up year on year.

Questions on that list were asked also on behalf of fellow fans. Including those with young families.

The suggestion of taking a section [not all] of fans from the Eastend to the Williams was based upon respect for others. The least amount of people inconvenienced the better.

Inadvertently the relocation meeting could have had a detrimental effect on others. Fans who would have liked to occupy a position nearer the away support may [?] have lost the opportunity to position themselves nearer the away fans due to that meeting.

A proposal of moving all from the Eastend was not made via fans. The club made that decision. The end result of not working together closely is a "Singing" section that is disliked by many of the people who inhabit it.

The appearance of the "singing" section was news that was not expected post meeting.