Red Ferret Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 ....at Celtic http://www.celticfc.net/news/8420 A taste of things to come in England? Certainly hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 ....at Celtichttp://www.celticfc.net/news/8420 A taste of things to come in England? Great news, and you would have to think it is only a matter of time until it is elsewhere in the UK. With the Welsh Conservatives also strongly supporting safe standing, could there be next? Would it be too much to hope that Bristol City get safe standing in time for the start of the 2016/2017 season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 I do wonder on what basis/powers they were granted permission to install rail seats. I had simply assumed that all seater stadia were a requirement (with exception) under a UK Act of Parliament. Either that's not the case or this is a devolved power - which seems strange, albeit possible. Makes you wonder who (if anyone) has the power to grant permission this side of the border and whether their refusal could be challenged by our favourite mechanism - Judicial Review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 I do wonder on what basis/powers they were granted permission to install rail seats. I had simply assumed that all seater stadia were a requirement (with exception) under a UK Act of Parliament. Either that's not the case or this is a devolved power - which seems strange, albeit possible. Makes you wonder who (if anyone) has the power to grant permission this side of the border and whether their refusal could be challenged by our favourite mechanism - Judicial Review. Sitting at games was made law in England, but not in Scotland it was the clubs choice to introduce it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 just seen Sky Sports News, Celtic are putting 2000 odd rail seats in for start of 16/17 season. The guy reiterated this won't increase capacity as its one rail seat per one current seat, it just gives the club the option to have the seat up or down, therefore there wouldn't be loads of people cramming into a terrace. Hopefully this will be the start of safe standing areas including at Ashton Gate. Lansdown said that they would put this in once it's legal so I'm sure he will be good to his word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkateee Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Let's hope so, i think the rail seats would be excellent for the atmosphere down Ashton gate, and let's not forget, they were originally going to be put in at the front of the dolman stand as well. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J.Thribb Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 I welcome this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted June 9, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Let's hope so, i think the rail seats would be excellent for the atmosphere down Ashton gate, and let's not forget, they were originally going to be put in at the front of the dolman stand as well. Fingers crossed. Not going to happen there anymore as the section has already been sold to people as seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Sitting at games was made law in England, but not in Scotland it was the clubs choice to introduce it This is quite a common misconception. There is no central law or regulation that enforces 'sitting'. The regulations are that all seater accommodation must be provided. There is no mention that the spectators must remain seated. The issue then boils down to the relationship between the clubs and the local authorities who issue the safety certificates. This is how some clubs are able to take a pragmatic approach to standing in specific areas. The grey area comes is wether rail seats are classed as seated accommodation. If a local authority agrees they are seats then there would be no change in regulations necessary. Also, as far as I am aware the Safety in Sports Ground Act covers the whole of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballwinningcentrehalf Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Delighted by this. Celtic have been tireless in their pursuit of having this granted and it's brilliant that they've finally been given the go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Ashton Vale dog walkers have vowed to stop this by appealing the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 This is quite a common misconception. There is no central law or regulation that enforces 'sitting'. The regulations are that all seater accommodation must be provided. There is no mention that the spectators must remain seated. The issue then boils down to the relationship between the clubs and the local authorities who issue the safety certificates. This is how some clubs are able to take a pragmatic approach to standing in specific areas. The grey area comes is wether rail seats are classed as seated accommodation. If a local authority agrees they are seats then there would be no change in regulations necessary. Also, as far as I am aware the Safety in Sports Ground Act covers the whole of the UK. not according to the Scots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 not according to the Scots. Just realised I got my Acts wrong. Scotland do fall under the Safety at Sports Ground Act, which requires all grounds to obtain safety certificates from the local authority. It appears that the Football Spectators Act only covers England and Wales. This does, as you say, give Scottish authorities more scope for implementation. But it is important to remember standing at football is not illegal. So if rail seats get recognised/approved as seats, there would need to be no change in legislation, just a change in attitude from the authorities. No doubt though any implementation by Celtic would put pressure on English clubs to follow suit. We need Blagdon Red to pop in as he is the resident expert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Which bit are you referring to ? According to the sports minister the Scottish clubs voted for all seated stadium,a law was never passed which makes Celtics decision a lot simpler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs3 Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Listening to Talk sport there is still a lot of misconceptions, like there could increase capacity, all you doing is replacing one seat for a rail seat. Not sure why we didn't go head and install safe standing, you are able to to lock the seat down for football and lock them up for standing at Rugby. And when legislation is changed we will be ahead of the curve and leading the way in safe standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 According to the sports minister the Scottish clubs voted for all seated stadium,a law was never passed which makes Celtics decision a lot simpler See my above posts...... Getting my acts confused! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Listening to Talk sport there is still a lot of misconceptions, like there could increase capacity, all you doing is replacing one seat for a rail seat. Not sure why we didn't go head and install safe standing, you are able to to lock the seat down for football and lock them up for standing at Rugby. And when legislation is changed we will be ahead of the curve and leading the way in safe standing. Because rail seats aren't considered seated accommodation, so the club would risk having x thousand rail seats that could not be used during football games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 If/when safe standing is allowed, we among most clubs will get it installed pretty quickly, Lansdown has stated they have designed new stands to be able to have rail seating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs3 Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Because rail seats aren't considered seated accommodation, so the club would risk having x thousand rail seats that could not be used during football games. How do the Germans get away with it in European matches? Surley if the seat is in the lock down position its a seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 How do the Germans get away with it in European matches? Surley if the seat is in the lock down position its a seat. Because they have common sense. It's only the UK Government that won't classify it as a seat. UEFA accept them as seats when they are in the lock down position. Just shows how ludicrous UK authorities are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 How do the Germans get away with it in European matches? Surley if the seat is in the lock down position its a seat. I would love to see a club take it to the European Courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 And people want to leave the EU! They have it sorted over there, standing at footy, decent food, great wine and beer..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 I would love to see a club take it to the European Courts. Unfortunately the court just interprets and applies the laws of the land. If this is going to change it will need to be a parliamentary initiative. Think this is when the FA need to adopt a position and come out publicly either in favour or against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBT Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Celtic are indroducing Safe Standing at Celtic Park. Not a lot stadiums left... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g6QcLsna_Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted June 30, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Celtic are indroducing Safe Standing at Celtic Park. Not a lot stadiums left... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g6QcLsna_Q In other news City win the JPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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