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WayOutWest Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I said something very similar, far less eloquently on a different thread. Steve C, is a good manager. Let me be clear on that. Last season was awe inspiring. Everything he touched was gold. Everything we did in the last transfer window, is polarised from this window, leading to one question. Why? I mentioned naivety. But I find it so hard to believe. We are talking Steve L; billionaire. Steve C; football manager. Keith B; director of football. Where is the disconnect? When SC gives an interview its blood and thunder, snot flying passion. Heart on his sleeve stuff, that we all came to adore. With one caveat. When we are successful. We have problems clearly. I am not ITK. You don't have to be. We have gone from a "crest of a wave" club, to the rumblings of "something is not quite right", perhaps worse. I personally, don't want see us come out and say things like: "they wanted 9m for a player", scoff. Or "we couldn't agree personal terms". he not worth it. We have to start to conduct our business like a championship club. We wanted to be in this division, yet we are acting like League 1, "they wanted too much", or "his wage demands are ridiculous". Whilst I am all for being prudent and recruiting sensible, we look wounded, battered and unappealing. This has to change. SC whilst lovable, needs to keep that stuff to himself. Or let someone else talk for him, or better yet say nothing. I have said many times let's walk before we run. We recruited so well last season, which has given us the bare bones to compete. But running around the transfer market like headless chickens, makes us look amateur. We obviously have ambition, a brilliant owner and a management team that can be successful. We cant go from, SC saying "I made an enquiry for a player and they wanted 7m 8m 9m" one week, for us to bid the same amount a week later. We need a consistent policy, which is the point the OP made and I completely trampled all over, but agreeing in my own way. Next two weeks crucial. Lets learn from our mistakes, be ruthless, back SC and go and get the players we need to make this squad success, without all the "money drama" played out for all to see. Steve. PS rather nice New Zealand "Sauvigon Blanc" was consumed writing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 You really worry about the way we are perceived on a poxy channel 5 tin pot program that looks like it was put together in 5 minutes?? Then u use that to blame SC? Wow . Don't need your support then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 It's not a new phenomenon that some players don't want to sign for City.its a problem most previous managers have had, I asked John Ward once why he thought that was so and he said in the football world Bristol and the West Country are not seen as a "football" areas in the same way as the North and Midlands are. Manchester, London and Birmingham are far more attractive to players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 It's not a new phenomenon that some players don't want to sign for City.its a problem most previous managers have had, I asked John Ward once why he thought that was so and he said in the football world Bristol and the West Country are not seen as a "football" areas in the same way as the North and Midlands are. Manchester, London and Birmingham are far more attractive to players. Norwich, Ipswich, Southampton, Brighton, Crapdiff. Swansea? Bristol is a far nicer place to live and a lot easier and faster to, aggregately, reach London and Birmingham. I don't really buy that argument at all and even less so when Ashton Gate is fully re-developed. Oh and do we really care how a fairly unanimously worthless sports programme with presenters who really are awful present Bristol City to the public? I suppose we should because its on air but we have far more important things to worry about and far better tools in which to sell the club; the team we have at the helm are pretty competent at doing that and certainly i would listen to them far more than a couple of numbingly poor TV people trying to look and sound like experts and failing abysmally. And if a player does listen to them we really don't want airheads playing for us now do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Robbored Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Norwich, Ipswich, Southampton, Brighton, Crapdiff. Swansea? Bristol is a far nicer place to live and a lot easier and faster to, aggregately, reach London and Birmingham. I don't really buy that argument at all and even less so when Ashton Gate is fully re-developed. All those places have clubs with a decent history which sadly for us City don't have. We've always been a small club in the eyes of the footballing world. Whenever I meet other football fans either abroad or here in the UK they nearly always have the same perception.its no surprise that potential players do as well. SL realises this I'm sure and has a vision of establishing City in the Championship and then the PL in a similar way to the way Swansea did. The redevelopment of AG is one of the first steps. Having a well designed and modern stadium is essential in improving City's stock value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Because someone on a ( rubbish) football programme expresses a few that you aren't an attractive option, doesn't mean your PR is bad. TV and the media have to 'say something'. It's normally a load of old bollocks, but to use City as an example, if Kelly Coates says to Adam Virgo 'So, Adam, what's wrong at Bristol City?', he can't really get away with saying ' Dunno really, but it is only August, so probably just best to see how it pans out for a bit, and give an opinion then'. Social media would go into a meltdown ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmers Green Red Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 All those places have clubs with a decent history which sadly for us City don't have. We've always been a small club in the eyes of the footballing world. Whenever I meet other football fans either abroad or here in the UK they nearly always have the same perception.its no surprise that potential players do as well. SL realises this I'm sure and has a vision of establishing City in the Championship and then the PL in a similar way to the way Swansea did. The redevelopment of AG is one of the first steps. Having a well designed and modern stadium is essential in improving City's stock value. Tend to agree with this. Norwich, Ipswich and Southampton all have history of their side. Even Brighton to a smaller extent, who also have both the closeness to London and a completed new ground. Swansea have done well in the Prem in recent times - Cardiff is the only outlier but they have also been in the Prem and had parachute payments. Spot on with the Swansea commentary as a blueprint for SL's approach ... that is the way to change the conception of the wider audience and hopefully will change prospective players preconceived views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I have no concern with this 'PR battle' you mention, I don't think any such thing exists in the game of football, to be frank. I am only concerned with our ability to win games this season. To put things very simply, we have clearly tried to sign the wrong type of player this year. We tried to run before we could walk in the Championship, and subsequently we have fallen over onto our face and bloodied our nose a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Robbored Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I have no concern with this 'PR battle' you mention, I don't think any such thing exists in the game of football, to be frank. I am only concerned with our ability to win games this season. To put things very simply, we have clearly tried to sign the wrong type of player this year. We tried to run before we could walk in the Championship, and subsequently we have fallen over onto our face and bloodied our nose a little bit. And you draw this conclusion 5 games into a new season in a higher league? Yeah right...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Do you watch a lot of Channel 5? It's programming seems to be directed at morons, produced by morons. I wouldn't take any notice of anything CH5 has to say!True Channel 5 is poor, but it has national, if not international, coverage and whether we like it or not, people who want to watch what's happening in the Championship have to watch Channel 5. No bad publicity is welcome, and there is a real risk that the impression that is developing of us will become universal. We would be very, very naive to dismiss this as a load of rubbish just because it isn't Sky or the BBC. If the organisation I work for started getting negative publicity like this on a national TV channel there would be a major flap on and a strategy to reverse the situation would be being planned as a matter of urgency. City's PR has been poor all summer. is this Adam Baker's responsibility? If so, I'm surprised because I've always thought Adam was a credit to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I blame the wurzels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip Broadwalk Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 BS did appoint somebody from sky with skills. She could be used more to put over publicly the vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jesus Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Nothing to do with our PR, more to do with our fickle fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 True Channel 5 is poor, but it has national, if not international, coverage and whether we like it or not, people who want to watch what's happening in the Championship have to watch Channel 5. No bad publicity is welcome, and there is a real risk that the impression that is developing of us will become universal. We would be very, very naive to dismiss this as a load of rubbish just because it isn't Sky or the BBC. If the organisation I work for started getting negative publicity like this on a national TV channel there would be a major flap on and a strategy to reverse the situation would be being planned as a matter of urgency. City's PR has been poor all summer. is this Adam Baker's responsibility? If so, I'm surprised because I've always thought Adam was a credit to the club. Perhaps the best course of action is to contact the show direct. I'm sure they talk a load of rubbish about every team, but we don't notice because it is not about us. They were talking about TWO potential signings out of we don't know how many - SC likes to keep his cards close. One didn't want to drop down to the Championship and the other went to a former prem team. As SC said, he has done everything to sell the team to players etc but he can't compete with that! As for AB, I guess it is very difficult to create spin when there isn't any! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 You really worry about the way we are perceived on a poxy channel 5 tin pot program that looks like it was put together in 5 minutes?? Then u use that to blame SC? Wow . Don't need your support then Great post ?....??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip Broadwalk Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Nothing to do with our PR, more to do with our fickle fan base. Ive been going nearly forty + years and agree that pr can be better. Bristol Sport themselves have said they need to work more on the Bristol City brand. they have professional media people who can do the pr while the football people do the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Show Me The Money! Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 All those places have clubs with a decent history which sadly for us City don't have. We've always been a small club in the eyes of the footballing world. Whenever I meet other football fans either abroad or here in the UK they nearly always have the same perception.its no surprise that potential players do as well. SL realises this I'm sure and has a vision of establishing City in the Championship and then the PL in a similar way to the way Swansea did. The redevelopment of AG is one of the first steps. Having a well designed and modern stadium is essential in improving City's stock value. So does our lovely Bristol City council have a lot to answer for here. We'd be in that shiny new stadium now if it wasn't for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The reason is quite simple. Not bad PR, or location, or history, or Steve's accent. It's money. We have no parachute payments and relatively small crowds - not helped by the building work this season and last - we cannot afford to pay the over-inflated wage demands of some of the fancy Dans in this division. If we could, they'd flock here. History doesn't come into it. Gretna got plenty of top Scottish players when they could afford to pay top dollar. Though, in the case of the utterly anonymous on Saturday Gray. I'm glad we didn't find the cash to meet his demands. We will be better served by picking up top lower league prospects, good foreign players and youngsters who are surplus to requirements of PL clubs. Totally agree. I think what is baffling most fans right now is to why we haven't done that and why we've gone for targets that are out of our league financially? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Totally agree. I think what is baffling most fans right now is to why we haven't done that and why we've gone for targets that are out of our league financially? The fee wasn't the problem it was the wage demands that City found unviable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 All those places have clubs with a decent history which sadly for us City don't have. We've always been a small club in the eyes of the footballing world. Whenever I meet other football fans either abroad or here in the UK they nearly always have the same perception.its no surprise that potential players do as well. SL realises this I'm sure and has a vision of establishing City in the Championship and then the PL in a similar way to the way Swansea did. The redevelopment of AG is one of the first steps. Having a well designed and modern stadium is essential in improving City's stock value. I still don't buy this image or history thing. I don't need to reel off the clubs but there are plenty competing in this league and, at the same time, attracting the talent they need. We are no different. Its all about money. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip Broadwalk Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 So does our lovely Bristol City council have a lot to answer for here. We'd be in that shiny new stadium now if it wasn't for them. The council backed it and put money into the world cup bid. this could be the type of thing that Bristol Sport can improve on highlighting to the public in future where BS and BCFC and the council community fans work together. Bristol is a fantastic City to live in. Bristol Sport should be showing off how Bristol City are part of that fantastic City to live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Because someone on a ( rubbish) football programme expresses a few that you aren't an attractive option, doesn't mean your PR is bad. TV and the media have to 'say something'. It's normally a load of old bollocks, but to use City as an example, if Kelly Coates says to Adam Virgo 'So, Adam, what's wrong at Bristol City?', he can't really get away with saying ' Dunno really, but it is only August, so probably just best to see how it pans out for a bit, and give an opinion then'. Social media would go into a meltdown ! You really are quite sensible, and write balanced and intelligent comments on here. This begs the question, why on earth do you support that lot?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The fee wasn't the problem it was the wage demands that City found unviable. That was I meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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havanatopia Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The council backed it and put money into the world cup bid. this could be the type of thing that Bristol Sport can improve on highlighting to the public in future where BS and BCFC and the council community fans work together. Bristol is a fantastic City to live in. Bristol Sport should be showing off how Bristol City are part of that fantastic City to live in. The stadium will of course set the bar higher for us but if another club is offering higher wages a player is going to be advised to turn us down. A footballers career is notoriously short. No amount of selling the undoubted merits of Bristol and environs will change their minds in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ferret Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Anyone else terrified of Adam Virgos head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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real_bristol Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 PR doesn't bother me. We'll attract lower league players and the likes of Kodjia, the types that want to come into this league and prove themselves to further their own careers. With consistency and time we'll begin to attract "bigger" names that might turn out to be journeymen anyway. I agree with the policy of not bringing in players who cannot add anything to what we have. Even if it keeps the squad small. We've attracted the likes of Callum Robinson and I thought he had his best performance with us when he came on yesterday, albeit brief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip Broadwalk Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The stadium will of course set the bar higher for us but if another club is offering higher wages a player is going to be advised to turn us down. A footballers career is notoriously short. No amount of selling the undoubted merits of Bristol and environs will change their minds in my view. Well i was also thinking about the general public and city fans asa well as players, on this thread a city fan didnt realise that Bcc put money into the world cup bid and backed ashton vale. There is work to be done with pr here in the minds of city fans the public as well as Bristol City are hardly high profile even in their own BS postcode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I don't think much of Channel 5, but I've got to agree with Xiled that Cotts is poor on TV. His main job is to manage the team, and not be a TV celebrity, but that's no excuse. Executives of big companies who have to appear in the media are given coaching to help them improve their skills. Regardless of what players think about Bristol, Cotts is poor on TV and radio. In the past this may not have mattered, and it doesn't worry me, but in today's world good communication and PR is essential. The hard core of City supporters probably couldn't care less, but there are a lot of fringe supporters who need to be attracted to the club if it is ever to get big gates and be successful. The exact opposite of Cotts, from a TV perspective is Gary Johnson. His cheerful chappy image meant he was always being invited to appear on Sky, which meant he was promoting Bristol City. As mentioned, we have an ex Sky reporter employed for general communication purposes, so she could give Cotts some training. However, I wouldn't want to be the person who suggests this to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I don't think much of Channel 5, but I've got to agree with Xiled that Cotts is poor on TV. His main job is to manage the team, and not be a TV celebrity, but that's no excuse. Executives of big companies who have to appear in the media are given coaching to help them improve their skills. Regardless of what players think about Bristol, Cotts is poor on TV and radio. In the past this may not have mattered, and it doesn't worry me, but in today's world good communication and PR is essential. The hard core of City supporters probably couldn't care less, but there are a lot of fringe supporters who need to be attracted to the club if it is ever to get big gates and be successful. The exact opposite of Cotts, from a TV perspective is Gary Johnson. His cheerful chappy image ment he was always being invited to appear on Sky, which meant he was promoting Bristol City. As mentioned, we have an ex Sky reporter employed for general communication purposes, so she could give Cotts some training. However, I wouldn't want to be the person who suggests this to him.Gary Johnson was a media whore!! Surprised he ever made training!! Every time I turned the telly on he was on. He was a good manger for us but a bit of a yes man regarding media duties. Give me SC any day of the week. Doesn't worry or care about peoples perspective just says what he thinks. He hasn't changed from last season and people weren't asking for him to go on media training then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest ExiledBrizzle Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 You'd be surprised how many players watch football highlights...Cotterill doesn't come across to me as a manager you'd be buzzing to play under if you watched an interview. Just my opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 You'd be surprised how many players watch football highlights...Cotterill doesn't come across to me as a manager you'd be buzzing to play under if you watched an interview. Just my opinion!I doubt any players are watching channel 5 @9pm on a Saturday night. These days u watch the goals straight away at 5pm on Saturday on sky sports news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ExiledBrizzle Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I doubt any players are watching channel 5 @9pm on a Saturday night. These days u watch the goals straight away at 5pm on Saturday on sky sports news Well the game finishes at 4:45 so I doubt they'll be tuning in for that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Well the game finishes at 4:45 so I doubt they'll be tuning in for that...cotterill said in a interview that he even watches some descions( hamer penalty against Leeds) at half time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Oh god! Who cares if we arent media friendly? Seriously scraping the barrel and another dig at the management/ transfer window. Rather than looking for a scapegoat, how about, and this is a new thing, we get on with it. I don't care if our manager doesnt send the right media message. All I do care about is if his team can do it on the pitch, and on that score in this league, we are very nearly there.post of the day,week,month!! Couldn't put it better myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ExiledBrizzle Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 cotterill said in a interview that he even watches some descions( hamer penalty against Leeds) at half time. I mean potential targets for the club will be watching. Joey Barton said once he talked to the Burnley manager for 2 minutes he knew it was the right club for him, obviously that's just reading of a script probably but the manager has a big influence on potential players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The fee wasn't the problem it was the wage demands that City found unviable. There's the thing Robbo- Unviable/unsustainable and potentially putting the long term future at risk etc. Am I the only one who finds it a bit more than ironic that when SL was interviewed towards the end of the season he stated quite categorically that they would not be repeating the mistakes of the past by paying too much in wages in the Championship? At the time most on here were like " well done & good for him & he's learnt his lesson" but now it's turned into a stick to beat him with and clearly not good enough. As for Channel5- I'm really embarrassed to admit to thinking this channel had closed down- perhaps they need to do some PR as well as BCFC cos I've never been aware that they had anything worth watching either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Oh god! Who cares if we arent media friendly? .Steve Lansdown should for a start! He's put millions into the club and is building a 27k capacity ground. He wants the club to be successful with large crowds. The majority of fans should want the club to me media friendly as well, but a lot couldn't care less as they will support the club regardless of success or failure. City can't be a really successful club just by depending on the current hard core of support. New fans have got to be attracted. As it stands if a fringe supporter was considering whether to watch City or spend the afternoon watching paint dry, and they saw / heard a Cotts interview, watching paint dry would win every time. SoD used to get a lot of flack for his interviews, but Cotts is just as bad. He's not so dull, but some of the things he says should not be said in public. Also, being rude to reporters is not a good tactic. You can get away with it if you're managing a top Premiership club, but not a club like City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 We have invited bad press by going after well known and expensive players who could not possibly fit into our pay structure and allowing it all to become very public. It would have been better to try to pick the best from League 1 and try to consolidate our position in the Championship before building a stronger team over the next couple of years when we have the additional income from the finished stadium. Such players could have been sold on to defray the costs of more costly players further down the line. All this worked well last season and we built a team that looks OK at this level apart from the fact that we have no backup for many positions and are vulnerable to injuries to members of our very small squad. Half a dozen injuries could outstrip our ability to field sufficient loan players and we would be forced to play kids. Clubs like MK Dons used to carp about us being able to afford better players than them last season. Now the boot is on the other foot and it is us who are carping about the unfairness of the system. Sadly we cannot change this - all we can do is to manage our situation as best we can and put on a brave face to the outside world. SL can feed funds into the team over a period of time and when the new income from the new stand comes on stream, we should be in a much better position. With a classy stadium and a good squad, we should be able to compete and we will be admired by commentators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 As far as i can see, the whole media profilel of the club has improved considerably since the bristol sport thing started. Before that it was a hodge podge of tacky ideas and yokel coverage, one example is the half time cash takeaway, it sounded like you were popping down the chippy for a bag of open chips wrapped in daily sport news paper.changing this to club lottery, or something similar takes the tackiness away, playing high ho silver lining is another. The new branding, around the disabled areas in the southstand for example are a whole new ball game. Regarding sc, he does need to be more aware of how he comes across. He has an accent, which could make him sound unsophisiticated to the outside world. You can say it doesnt matter but if it affects potential signings then it does matter. Do i have a bristol accent? Yes, but i try to speak 'proper' at work, or around my kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 As far as i can see, the whole media profilel of the club has improved considerably since the bristol sport thing started. Before that it was a hodge podge of tacky ideas and yokel coverage, one example is the half time cash takeaway, it sounded like you were popping down the chippy for a bag of open chips wrapped in daily sport news paper.changing this to club lottery, or something similar takes the tackiness away, playing high ho silver lining is another. The new branding, around the disabled areas in the southstand for example are a whole new ball game. Regarding sc, he does need to be more aware of how he comes across. He has an accent, which could make him sound unsophisiticated to the outside world. You can say it doesnt matter but if it affects potential signings then it does matter. Do i have a bristol accent? Yes, but i try to speak 'proper' at work, or around my kidsSimon - I agree with most of what you say, but not sure about the accent bit. I've got a Bristol accent and I'm too old to change it. As long as you say the correct words in the correct way I think it's ok. IMO, using incorrect grammar and rambling sentences if far worse than an accent. There are a few managers who appear on TV who have a reasonable accent, but are incapable of stringing two sentences together. Where it goes completely pear shaped is when you have a manager who has an accent and who talks total garbage - e g Ian Holloway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The fee wasn't the problem it was the wage demands that City found unviable. I find it baffling that the Club seemingly did not anticipate the financial terms that expensive players would want. Offering the bid is only the beginning, the qualification to talk to the player, the nitty gritty is offering the player the right amount of "wages". When we were turned down because we didn't offer enough wages we looked ridiculous, especially after offering the "correct" 7,8,9 million. But then to do the whole thing a SECOND TIME ..............???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnclosureSurge Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I have said many times let's walk before we run. We recruited so well last season, which has given us the bare bones to compete. But running around the transfer market like headless chickens, makes us look amateur. Excellent words, and my advice? Keep drinking NZ wine. As for the above, highlighted, soothe your hangover with a game for all the family here: https://thenatchwall.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I said something very similar, far less eloquently on a different thread. Steve C, is a good manager. Let me be clear on that. Last season was awe inspiring. Everything he touched was gold. Everything we did in the last transfer window, is polarised from this window, leading to one question. Why? I mentioned naivety. But I find it so hard to believe. We are talking Steve L; billionaire. Steve C; football manager. Keith B; director of football. Where is the disconnect? When SC gives an interview its blood and thunder, snot flying passion. Heart on his sleeve stuff, that we all came to adore. With one caveat. When we are successful. We have problems clearly. I am not ITK. You don't have to be. We have gone from a "crest of a wave" club, to the rumblings of "something is not quite right", perhaps worse. I personally, don't want see us come out and say things like: "they wanted 9m for a player", scoff. Or "we couldn't agree personal terms". he not worth it. We have to start to conduct our business like a championship club. We wanted to be in this division, yet we are acting like League 1, "they wanted too much", or "his wage demands are ridiculous". Whilst I am all for being prudent and recruiting sensible, we look wounded, battered and unappealing. This has to change. SC whilst lovable, needs to keep that stuff to himself. Or let someone else talk for him, or better yet say nothing. I have said many times let's walk before we run. We recruited so well last season, which has given us the bare bones to compete. But running around the transfer market like headless chickens, makes us look amateur. We obviously have ambition, a brilliant owner and a management team that can be successful. We cant go from, SC saying "I made an enquiry for a player and they wanted 7m 8m 9m" one week, for us to bid the same amount a week later. We need a consistent policy, which is the point the OP made and I completely trampled all over, but agreeing in my own way. Next two weeks crucial. Lets learn from our mistakes, be ruthless, back SC and go and get the players we need to make this squad success, without all the "money drama" played out for all to see. Steve.PS rather nice New Zealand "Sauvigon Blanc" was consumed writing this. The PS was the interesting bit for me. Which vineyard? Love NZ Sauvignon Blanc, rarely disappointing as long as you avoid the bottom price bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOutWest Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Excellent words, and my advice? Keep drinking NZ wine.As for the above, highlighted, soothe your hangover with a game for all the family here: https://thenatchwall.wordpress.com/If only I could get my hands on Natch over here (Canada), life would be some how complete! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOutWest Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The PS was the interesting bit for me. Which vineyard? Love NZ Sauvignon Blanc, rarely disappointing as long as you avoid the bottom price bracket.Well that night it was a Kim Crawford. He actually does a small parcels Sauvignon blanc called "Spitfire", if you can get your hands on this, its very good. Very fruity. But its pretty limited. Other than that Oyster Bay is another "go to" for us. Honestly I dont really think I have a wine from NZ I have disliked. Out of interest your thoughts. I am not a wine aficionado by any stretch, but my god I am having a good go at it! Stevo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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