Youngish Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Thought we were set up okay from the start today, but the decisions on the subs blew it for us.Williams for Bryan - Joe was doing fine on the left, and this substitution ended all threat down that side.Robinson for Freeman - why?Little not being taken off despite clearly being knackered after 60 minutes. Wagstaff would've been a fine replacement for someone who was very obviously struggling to keep up, both offensively and defensively. Cotterill's bizarre refusal to trust Waggy cost us the win today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Joe wasn't doing fine on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Williams for Bryan was fine in the sense that we wanted to shut that side of the pitch down. Fair enough. So WHY then did we insist on pumping the ball down that flank at every opportunity?!! Both Wilbraham and Kodjia were out of the game by 55 mins. Both should have been subbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Thought we were set up okay from the start today, but the decisions on the subs blew it for us.Williams for Bryan - Joe was doing fine on the left, and this substitution ended all threat down that side.Robinson for Freeman - why?Little not being taken off despite clearly being knackered after 60 minutes. Wagstaff would've been a fine replacement for someone who was very obviously struggling to keep up, both offensively and defensively. Cotterill's bizarre refusal to trust Waggy cost us the win today.Disagree thought JB had a rare off day today, also though Freeman was shocking however Robinson is no better. Totally agree, can't see what Little brings to the team except legs, no quality at all and just runs dark alleys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 The freeman one was easy as he was poor again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Freeman had a few breaks today but had no final ball and missed a sitter. I though he needed changing myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Disagree thought JB had a rare off day today, also though Freeman was shocking however Robinson is no better. Totally agree, can't see what Little brings to the team except legs, no quality at all and just runs dark alleys.I thought Freeman along with kodjia were the only pkayers making things happen in the 2nd half. Thought he played well. Agree on Joe and little though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngish Posted October 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Maybe Freeman and Bryan should've been brought off, but clearly in light of Kodjia's tiring, Wilbraham's appalling performance, and Little's lack of any ounce of fitness (from which they profited for the goal), there were bigger priorities to bring off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 I actually didn't mind the substitutions. Joe had a quiet day and Williams offers, in theory, a better defensive option. Agard for Wilbraham was welcome for me but unfortunately we continued to play the long ball even with Agard on and didn't keep possession. Callum for Freeman wasn't terrible as we needed fresh legs and Freeman was poor as well. Maybe Wagstaff would've been better but thought Freeman should go.Think where the subs failed was when we clearly locked up shop at half and didn't put the correct personnel on and did not play a counter attack type team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityCiderEd Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Little is way way way out of his depth at this level.Has no awareness where he or the man he is supposed to be marking is. Letting the player come inside without a challenge is criminal.Agree also that Joe was poor today and Freeman seems a stone or so heavier and a yard slower than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Williams for Bryan - Thought Joe was doing well enough considering the points I'll make later.Robinson for Freeman - Freeman wasn't overly effective and struggled to make a real impact, however the engine was still there and he was all over the pitch.The real problem, Wilbraham and Kodjia are both players who can't play 90 minutes, meaning to effectively close down and have options to release pressure further up the pitch we would need to sub both, taking up 2 of our subs. As mentioned Little didn't look fit enough to play 90 either, often after he ran forward he wasn't tracking back quickly leaving the flank exposed. The one thing we couldn't afford today was to lose our work rate which allowed MK to just keep attacking, we needed the fitness to be ably to play higher up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 I thought the substitutions were fine, although Agard should have been brought on sooner. Freeman had another poor game so I was pleased when Robinson came on because I thought it might help us keep the ball. Bryan had been booked and wasn't his usual effective self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 I'd have taken Wilbs off earlier and brought on Agard, all we seemed to do was whack it at Wilbs' head and the odd flick on came to nuffin.No point just giving Agard 9 minutes, he was a lot more able to close down their defenders than Wilbs and needed more time on the pitch to make any difference.I'd have given Wes a run as well, with his pace he would have been a good outlet because we were being swamped in the second half.Little didn't offer much and Joe coming off was the right decision, he looked off the pace and ineffective today.The pressure is starting to build now, a lot of people on here said lets see where we are after 10 games before we judge. Well, here we are, bottom....but it's still tight, we are after all only five points from 13th place.But our next three games look horrible.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Wilbraham should have been off around the hour mark, he wasn't putting himself around the pitch even at that point. Kodjia had no support in pressuring opposition which lead to Kodjia getting tired quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 I thought all three subs were fine in terms of the performances of the players brought off today.would probably have persevered with Bryan longer, as he and Spence cancelled each other out.i would've taken Wilbs off on the hour, and given Agard a run. Did think Agard and Kodjia didn't communicate well in terms of splitting the defence and allowed them easy possession.Freeman did some nice stuff today, but also guilty of sloppy play and trying extravagant stuff when in too many tight areas. Lack and Reid similarly guilty today.Baker, my MOTM today, followed by Kodjia. Reid very encouraging despite above comment. Get Korey in for Pack, he's just tonnes better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 We all see things differently. I personally would not have subbed Joe for Williams. Two reasons, at least with Joe who granted was off his game but we looked more positive and I would also have left the defence alone. Adding Williams just seemed to have confused them. I thought Flint , who was uncharistically rattled today, and Baker looked a good pairing and Ayling looked comfortable going forward too. Agard, or Wes, or both could have been introduced 15 or 20 minutes earlier. Yes I probably would have taken off a tiring and increasingly ineffective Wilbs, but am horrified to hear he has taken abuse. He doesn't deserve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Amazed that anyone thought Freeman:1. was anything other than appalling2. deserved to stay on as long as he did.I can only assume they are still thinking it is last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatalist Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Disagree thought JB had a rare off day today, also though Freeman was shocking however Robinson is no better. Totally agree, can't see what Little brings to the team except legs, no quality at all and just runs dark alleys.Who set up Kodjia in the last minute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatalist Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 We all see things differently. I personally would not have subbed Joe for Williams. Two reasons, at least with Joe who granted was off his game but we looked more positive and I would also have left the defence alone. Adding Williams just seemed to have confused them. I thought Flint , who was uncharistically rattled today, and Baker looked a good pairing and Ayling looked comfortable going forward too. Agard, or Wes, or both could have been introduced 15 or 20 minutes earlier. Yes I probably would have taken off a tiring and increasingly ineffective Wilbs, but am horrified to hear he has taken abuse. He doesn't deserve that. Wilbo taken abuse....Really! Now hat is simply not on!Everything you said would seem pretty accurate to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Who set up Kodjia in the last minute?One out of the 20 times he ventures forward, he cannot defend and he has no final product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Thought we were set up okay from the start today, but the decisions on the subs blew it for us.Williams for Bryan - Joe was doing fine on the left, and this substitution ended all threat down that side.Robinson for Freeman - why?Little not being taken off despite clearly being knackered after 60 minutes. Wagstaff would've been a fine replacement for someone who was very obviously struggling to keep up, both offensively and defensively. Cotterill's bizarre refusal to trust Waggy cost us the win today.Joe Bryan looked like he was carrying a knock, he wasn't playing great. The other two were strange. I agree personally I would have brought waggy on for little and aggard for wilbs. Timing is important too. Are subs are coming on to late, it seems like SC is blaming aggard for the goal as he mentioned we had fresh legs on that side to track Powell down. All in all a poor second half which is a shame as boy did we need 3 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb6162 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 .Thought we were set up okay from the start today, but the decisions on the subs blew it for us.Williams for Bryan - Joe was doing fine on the left, and this substitution ended all threat down that side.Robinson for Freeman - why?Little not being taken off despite clearly being knackered after 60 minutes. Wagstaff would've been a fine replacement for someone who was very obviously struggling to keep up, both offensively and defensively. Cotterill's bizarre refusal to trust Waggy cost us the win today.look there are lots of other things you might want to moan at the gaffa about regarding subs, formations etcy but waggy is the wrong battle to pickhe isnt fit full stop move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Garlandinho Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Bryan had a poor game and looked disinterested at times, bringing Williams on was an obvious sub to make yesterday. Didn't agree with taking Freeman off, although he wasn't near his best, he was the only midfield player running the ball out of defence and relieving pressure. Pack and Reid kept giving the ball away inside our own half, and after Freeman was taken off the play rarely left our half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Freeman had a few breaks today but had no final ball and missed a sitter. I though he needed changing myselfSo that's what stank ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicolin Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Thought we were set up okay from the start today, but the decisions on the subs blew it for us.Williams for Bryan - Joe was doing fine on the left, and this substitution ended all threat down that side.Robinson for Freeman - why?Little not being taken off despite clearly being knackered after 60 minutes. Wagstaff would've been a fine replacement for someone who was very obviously struggling to keep up, both offensively and defensively. Cotterill's bizarre refusal to trust Waggy cost us the win today.Wagstaff is injured . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 We all see things differently. I personally would not have subbed Joe for Williams. Two reasons, at least with Joe who granted was off his game but we looked more positive and I would also have left the defence alone. Adding Williams just seemed to have confused them. I thought Flint , who was uncharistically rattled today, and Baker looked a good pairing and Ayling looked comfortable going forward too. Agard, or Wes, or both could have been introduced 15 or 20 minutes earlier. Yes I probably would have taken off a tiring and increasingly ineffective Wilbs, but am horrified to hear he has taken abuse. He doesn't deserve that. Agree with all this. I'd probably go a bit further and have taken Wilbs off at the hour mark.I saw him try to go for a loose ball that was 5 paces from him and about 10 from the nearest Dongs player about that time: the MK man got there first.We played most of that half with 10 men effectively. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Agree with all this. I'd probably go a bit further and have taken Wilbs off at the hour mark.I saw him try to go for a loose ball that was 5 paces from him and about 10 from the nearest Dongs player about that time: the MK man got there first.We played most of that half with 10 men effectively. .Most of the game with Wilbs playing in my opinion, brings us very little compared to other options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Most of the game with Wilbs playing in my opinion, brings us very little compared to other optionsAlthough I'm with Red M in that abusing one of our players is disgraceful, I'm in the majority camp in saying Wilbs should not be in the starting line-up. Impact sub for 20 minutes perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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