Roger Red Hat Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/18/former-manchester-united-star-occupiers-of-hotel-winter-ryan-giggs-gary-neville#img-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I have no idea why but I really don't like Giggs, but I got to say I'm very happy to read this story. The homeless man sounds like all he needs his a helping hand and I'm glad they have seen this and helped him. Wouldn't it be great if what he intends takes off in a big way and so many more people are helped, just because 2 footballers had a bit of feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Gary Neville has always come across as a decent human being to me. That said if he finds out any of those occupying turn out to be Scouse I fully expect Gary to evict them in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I`m sure if the building was owned by some offshore corporation the board of it would have made the same decision or am I being naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 What a fantastic gesture, Neville has always come across as a decent guy with a conscience, fair play to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Gary Nevilles autobiography a great read As you might expect he's passionate, honest, humble and totally him - a interesting and enjoyable read Reccommend it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I have no idea why but I really don't like Giggs, but I got to say I'm very happy to read this story. The homeless man sounds like all he needs his a helping hand and I'm glad they have seen this and helped him. Wouldn't it be great if what he intends takes off in a big way and so many more people are helped, just because 2 footballers had a bit of feeling.Actually don't mind Neville, Giggs on the other hand is scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Gary Nevilles autobiography a great read As you might expect he's passionate, honest, humble and totally him - a interesting and enjoyable read Reccommend it Yeah very decent, the similarities between his and Gerrard's attitudes in their respective books are noticeable! I think Gerrard is less biased in his but both very decent reads, and both very decent guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Gary Nevilles autobiography a great read As you might expect he's passionate, honest, humble and totally him - a interesting and enjoyable read Reccommend it My friends used to call me crazy when I was in my teens and said I idolised Gary Neville !Was a great professional and seems a decent human being too. Fair play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Actually don't mind Neville, Giggs on the other hand is scum.scum? Very harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 scum? Very harsh. Having an affair with your brother's wife...I'd say scum is a fairly apt term! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howey_ducky Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Very good pr in what is a pretty controversial development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Having an affair with your brother's wife...I'd say scum is a fairly apt term!take one event that is nobody's business and form an opinion on someone, why don't you. what about all of the charity work he has done? Or what he is done for these squatters. Do those acts make him scum too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Having an affair with your brother's wife...I'd say scum is a fairly apt term!no, that would be if he had an affair with your wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 My friends used to call me crazy when I was in my teens and said I idolised Gary Neville !Was a great professional and seems a decent human being too. Fair play. Agree 86 - don't like Manchester United but always admire Neville - he's my type of footballer - squeezed the best out of limited ability (as he says himself) and succeeded with desire, passion and lots and lots of hard workLove the fact that he explained his new contract talks took about 10 mins and he never had a clue what Beckham, Scholes or Giggs were on as he states 'Hopefully a lot more than me because they were far better players' Nevilles got a refreshing attitude , or we could say an old fashioned one with regards to the gameNot a Liverpool fan either but Gerrard epitomises what a good pro means for me - great admiration for himAdd Lampard and you have three of the best pros. I've ever seen - not necessarily the worlds greatest, although all great players, but three fantastic pros and role models for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 take one event that is nobody's business and form an opinion on someone, why don't you. what about all of the charity work he has done? Or what he is done for these squatters. Do those acts make him scum too?I'm completely with you on this one in that who are we to judge exactly what went on or the circumstances when based on The Sun etc? Scum is too strong a term for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Ok perhaps 'scum' is not an appropriate term, but were my brother having a go on my missus I don't think I'd be pacified by the fact that he pops a few quid in the old charity box, if you'll pardon the pun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'm completely with you on this one in that who are we to judge exactly what went on or the circumstances when based on The Sun etc? Scum is too strong a term for me.Ok how about vile human being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 No one bats an eyelid when we call Swindon scum for pretending to be injured or celebrating winning a football match, but have an affair with your own family members spouse and it's all bleeding hearts! Love this place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 19, 2015 Admin Share Posted October 19, 2015 I wonder if the homeless guys would be able to claim squatters rights by next year?Would make for an interesting story if the people in there now refused to budge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Ok how about vile human being?Whatever term floats your boat, Super.No one bats an eyelid when we call Swindon scum for pretending to be injured or celebrating winning a football match, but have an affair with your own family members spouse and it's all bleeding hearts! Love this place!Haha! That's classic! One person says scum is too harsh - one person agrees on terminology and suddenly "it's all bleeding hearts"Bristol 86- let's hope the "we" is a royal one cos personally I've never used that term for any opposing fans or players. As for Ryan Giggs- don't know the guy, don't read the red tops so have no inside track as to the circumstances so I would find it hard to write him off as "scum". As for Swindon, well - in front of my eyes they cheated and encompassed so much that is wrong about football but the team and their odious Chairman got what they so richly deserved and Flint got one of the best songs in a decade . Love this place more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Ok how about vile human being?Spoken like a true Liverpool fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I wonder if the homeless guys would be able to claim squatters rights by next year?Would make for an interesting story if the people in there now refused to budgeIt would be hard to claim them after they have already agreed to occupy the building with the owners consent.Although a great gesture you could argue by letting them occupy and protect the buliding they are saving money on having proper security. A lot of property/buidling companies let people occupy sites they aren't going to redevelop for a while at very low rental costs because its cheaper than employing SIA approved security to guard the building.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Spoken like a true Liverpool fan.Nothing to do with it, you obviously missed what I said about Gary Neville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'm Eco careless but you also have to admire Gary Neville and his beliefs - eco friendly house and would arrive for training in his little Eco car surrounded by SupercarsGot to admire his principles and the fact he was prepared to take all the p taking If we were without SC , would anyone else try and tempt GN down to AG ?it doesn't always work out this way but he appears to have all the attributes to be a great manager for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I wonder if the homeless guys would be able to claim squatters rights by next year?Would make for an interesting story if the people in there now refused to budgeCould be a great story, but it takes 10 years minimum occupation for a squatter to get an interest in the property and even then it has to be without permission and occupying as owner. Think Nev and Giggsy's investment is safe...Can't knock the offer of a place to stay. Be nice if there was something more sustainable to go with it too, maybe a job or some on site learning opportunities for these guys whilst works are on going around them. Probably health and safety reasons why something sensible and helpful like that couldn't take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Ok perhaps 'scum' is not an appropriate term, but were my brother having a go on my missus I don't think I'd be pacified by the fact that he pops a few quid in the old charity box, if you'll pardon the pun. I think you are getting confused. He isn't 'having a go' on your wife. It was on his brothers wife. Therefore there is really no need for YOU to think him scum. His brother may well think that and would have every right too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 No one bats an eyelid when we call Swindon scum for pretending to be injured or celebrating winning a football match, but have an affair with your own family members spouse and it's all bleeding hearts! Love this place!one affects you and the other is totally irrelevant to you. I can understand the word 'scum' being used to talk about Swindon as it is a rivalry that we are all involved in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I think you are getting confused. He isn't 'having a go' on your wife. It was on his brothers wife. Therefore there is really no need for YOU to think him scum. His brother may well think that and would have every right too.Difficult logic that for me. It seems to suggest only the victim can have an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Difficult logic that for me. It seems to suggest only the victim can have an opinion. my logic is to think of someone as 'scum' is far too much when the reason for it is none of Bristol86's or Super's business and doesn't affect them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I really hate the filthy layer of dirt on the surface of my pond - SCUM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I think you are getting confused. He isn't 'having a go' on your wife. It was on his brothers wife. Therefore there is really no need for YOU to think him scum. His brother may well think that and would have every right too.Really? So as long as ISIS aren't beheading MY friends I'm not allowed to be outraged at their morally abhorrent behaviour?And no, I'm not comparing the beheading of innocent people to someone being a marriage cheat but your principle that I can't disapprove of someone's behaviour because 'it didn't happen to you' is deeply flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Gary Nevilles autobiography a great read As you might expect he's passionate, honest, humble and totally him - a interesting and enjoyable read Reccommend it Echo this, possibly the best footballer autobiography I've read.He knows he wasn't the most talented player in that extraordinary group but made up for it with sheer grit and hard work. A great philosophy for anything in life.Never had an agent either, didn't bother negotiating salary. Just did all he could to be the best United player he could be.Good guy by all accounts and think he'll be a good manager eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'm Eco careless but you also have to admire Gary Neville and his beliefs - eco friendly house and would arrive for training in his little Eco car surrounded by SupercarsGot to admire his principles and the fact he was prepared to take all the p taking If we were without SC , would anyone else try and tempt GN down to AG ?it doesn't always work out this way but he appears to have all the attributes to be a great manager for meApologies for double quoting but agree again! He's exactly the sort of manager I'd want us to go for if SC went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 So here we have it and to summarise:Ryan Giggs boffed his brother's wife. Not good.Ryan Giggs brother was sent to prison for attacking a football fan with a broken bottle. Not good either.Ryan Gigg's brother's fiancee sold her story to the papers. Also not good.Ryan Gigg's brother's wife employed a Publicity agent ( Max Clifford) who is now at Littlehey Prison serving time for a sex attack on an underage girl and sexual assaults. Awful.It seems to me that we have a can of worms here and all the OP wanted to say was:Giggs and Neville have given a temporary home to the homeless. Very good.Love this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Ryan Giggs brother was sent to prison for attacking a football fan with a broken bottle. Not good either.Ryan Gigg's brother's fiancee sold her story to the papers. Also not good.Ryan Gigg's brother's wife employed a Publicity agent ( Max Clifford) who is now at Littlehey Prison serving time for a sex attack on an underage girl and sexual assaults. Awful.Luckily though, none of this affects us so we don't have to concern ourselves with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Luckily though, none of this affects us so we don't have to concern ourselves with it True enough said the pot to the kettle- but at least Ryan Giggs has spurned the limelight in order to spend more time with his brother's family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Really? So as long as ISIS aren't beheading MY friends I'm not allowed to be outraged at their morally abhorrent behaviour?And no, I'm not comparing the beheading of innocent people to someone being a marriage cheat but your principle that I can't disapprove of someone's behaviour because 'it didn't happen to you' is deeply flawed. haha what an amazing post. Absurd. You can say you haven't compared ISIS with the Giggs affair if you want but you clearly have. One is a private family matter and the other is a murderous group. My point was that to think he is scum is a bit heavy. You probably need me to be clear; I am not condoning sleeping with a sister in law. To bring ISIS up in this thread is quite incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 haha what an amazing post. Absurd. You can say you haven't compared ISIS with the Giggs affair if you want but you clearly have. One is a private family matter and the other is a murderous group. My point was that to think he is scum is a bit heavy. You probably need me to be clear; I am not condoning sleeping with a sister in law. To bring ISIS up in this thread is quite incredible. It's a (deliberately) absurd/extreme example used to emphasise how ridiculous your argument is. ISIS clearly has nothing to do with this matter and I use that as an illustration that it's absolute nonsense to suggest that just because the actions of an individual don't personally affect me, I can't have an opinion on the morality of the issue. But clearly you're not going to understand the point, so let's agree to differ :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 It's a (deliberately) absurd/extreme example used to emphasise how ridiculous your argument is. ISIS clearly has nothing to do with this matter and I use that as an illustration that it's absolute nonsense to suggest that just because the actions of an individual don't personally affect me, I can't have an opinion on the morality of the issue. But clearly you're not going to understand the point, so let's agree to differ :-)was point was it was too heavy to call him scum based on an affair, when you don't know him and are ignoring the charity work he is doing.but you keep selectively reading my posts if it makes you feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 was point was it was too heavy to call him scum based on an affair, when you don't know him and are ignoring the charity work he is doing.but you keep selectively reading my posts if it makes you feel better. No, the point was that your argument that 'unless it affects you personally, you can't have an opinion on it' is fundamentally flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 No, the point was that your argument that 'unless it affects you personally, you can't have an opinion on it' is fundamentally flawed. you are quoting something that I didn't say! You are worse than Kachina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 It was on his brothers wife. Therefore there is really no need for YOU to think him scum.Yeah you said nothing of the sort did you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Yeah you said nothing of the sort did you honestly pal, you seem a bit dim.i was talking in this instance, a private family matter. Not ALL instances!! And that scum was too strong.And when you quote someone try using the actual quote. Don't paraphrase. Honestly wouldn't bother replying again if I was you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 honestly pal, you seem a bit dim.i was talking in this instance, a private family matter. Not ALL instances!! And that scum was too strong.And when you quote someone try using the actual quote. Don't paraphrase. Honestly wouldn't bother replying again if I was youI didn't quote you, I merely highlighted the inference you have made in several of your posts in this thread that because this matter doesn't involve me, it's not 'my business' to have an opinion on, which is a fundamentally flawed principle.But seeing as we're going round in circles, let's leave it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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