PFree Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 Just a thought but if in reality we will always seek to buy or loan first team players and seldom bring youngsters through, is there any point in paying so many coaches and investing so much money in youth development? I could be totally wrong but it seems the youth teams are struggling badly and there's little prospect of future Championship quality players on the horizon? Am I wrong, is the significant investment worthwhile..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourne End Red Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 1 hour ago, PFree said: Just a thought but if in reality we will always seek to buy or loan first team players and seldom bring youngsters through, is there any point in paying so many coaches and investing so much money in youth development? I could be totally wrong but it seems the youth teams are struggling badly and there's little prospect of future Championship quality players on the horizon? Am I wrong, is the significant investment worthwhile..? Years ago it probably was when you could sell on a gem for millions. now with the prem biased setup where they can just pluck your best youngsters for a total pittance I'm starting to wonder if it's worth the outlay.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleAlbert Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 Very fair point. You'd have to know the figures to establish any facts on whether it is worth doing. Even teams like Chelsea spend millions and their squad is absent of academy players. I do feel though that a lot of emphasis is placed on youth teams where on the whole they appear to be a complete waste. Surely it's cheaper to stick a scout on a plane and send them to South America for a fortnight, we can go robbing poor clubs for talent. Look at kodjia, good example of how the English leagues are overpriced, just imagine the bargains further afield. As for our youth team. Whatever happened to Joe Morrell? Correct me if I've spelt that wrong, Sean o driscoll played him on our jpt knockout a few years ago, why hasn't he been given another chance, what are we waiting for? Our squad is thinner than Cheryl Cole has been lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 @PFree I think you are right. Flogging a dead horse springs to mind. One thing I would say (and I've seen a few posts recently to think this needs clarification)... I think we no longer have U18's - SC decided to put them all in the U21's. Anyone out there who can confirm my thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 Scrapping the system would be bonkers, just as is the clubs decision to monopolise Bristol rather than a 50 mile radius. Getting players into the Championship is much more difficult to do than League 1, the club has to bide time & money until the gem arrives paying for the system running. 286,000 per year to run Cat 2 Academy system I believe. A snip for prem & championship clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 I've posted before that I've entirely lost faith in it because any real energing stars we do discover get poached by Premiership clubs for a pittance. If we could get proper fees for those players then I'd be all for it; but we don't. It's great that Bryan, Burns & Reid have come through it, but that's not enough for the money spent. Time to scrap it and hire a full-time non-league scout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 WTF is going on? Scrap Academy, sack Cotterill, Who's Dawe? Lansdown family out. Get a grip. We're not relegated yet and so bloody what if we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 12 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: I've posted before that I've entirely lost faith in it because any real energing stars we do discover get poached by Premiership clubs for a pittance. If we could get proper fees for those players then I'd be all for it; but we don't. It's great that Bryan, Burns & Reid have come through it, but that's not enough for the money spent. Time to scrap it and hire a full-time non-league scout. Sorry Eddie but not your money and not your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 Just now, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Sorry Eddie but not your money and not your choice. Quite. Whilst someone is willing to fund it and pay for the gamble that someone comes through I don't see why you'd want him to stop throwing the dice. Can it be doing us any harm, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 5 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Sorry Eddie but not your money and not your choice. I thought we were trying to build a sustainable business. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 We? 7 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: I thought we were trying to build a sustainable business. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 1 minute ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: We? I have shares; I am an owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 1 minute ago, Eddie Hitler said: I have shares; I am an owner. Haha! Me too! As a taxpayer I also own Lloyds bank but the gits still won't give me a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 2 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Haha! Me too! As a taxpayer I also own Lloyds bank but the gits still won't give me a loan. Turn up to the AGM and ask specific questions about loan policy; naming the person who turned you down and saying how rude they were. That'll learn 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 3 hours ago, PFree said: Just a thought but if in reality we will always seek to buy or loan first team players and seldom bring youngsters through, is there any point in paying so many coaches and investing so much money in youth development? I could be totally wrong but it seems the youth teams are struggling badly and there's little prospect of future Championship quality players on the horizon? Am I wrong, is the significant investment worthwhile..? If you woke up to hear we had scrapped the accadamy system, would you be happy or unhappy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 4 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: If you woke up to hear we had scrapped the accadamy system, would you be happy or unhappy? Good question. Now for the answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 hour ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Haha! Me too! As a taxpayer I also own Lloyds bank but the gits still won't give me a loan. Thanks for helping pay my wages then....much appreciated. I am typing this during my own time, but now I know you're helping out, I might do a bit of OTIBing during the working day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 5 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: If you woke up to hear we had scrapped the accadamy system, would you be happy or unhappy? I would be unhappy given how much I was in favour of its foundation in 1996. However I would view it as the right move as the £1m a year that it costs to run has not returned that in players; no criticism of the staff but a result of the unfairly low fees paid when a top young prospect is tapped up. As a parallel I would have liked us to sign Michael Milfsud because at the time we needed a decent striker; but I admired GJ's principled stand of refusing to be held to ransom and having his agent ejected from Ashton Gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider city red 81 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 10 hours ago, PFree said: Just a thought but if in reality we will always seek to buy or loan first team players and seldom bring youngsters through, is there any point in paying so many coaches and investing so much money in youth development? I could be totally wrong but it seems the youth teams are struggling badly and there's little prospect of future Championship quality players on the horizon? Am I wrong, is the significant investment worthwhile..? Joe Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 37 minutes ago, cider city red 81 said: Joe Bryan Korey Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider city red 81 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 15 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Korey Smith. Dean Austin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 5 minutes ago, cider city red 81 said: Dean Austin Mariella Frostrup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider city red 81 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 3 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Mariella Frostrup. Alan Kimble Shall we call it a 2-2 draw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 hour ago, cider city red 81 said: Alan Kimble Shall we call it a 2-2 draw? I'll see your Alan Kimble and raise you Gilbert Harding. Check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Mornington Crescent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 If you woke up to hear we had scrapped the accadamy system, would you be happy or unhappy? Disgusted. Bristol City is a football club that represents a City and region. As a club in its social context its activities should extend beyond the first XI and provide local kids a opportunity to represent their City / region. This means providing the best facilities and coaching possible. The academy is hardly a huge drain on resources. Its financing is exempt under FFP unlike the wages of the next El Abd, Hunt, James, Morris Stewart, Stuyvar ... And the rest of the quality players City have a habit of employing. So yes the money is always worth it. BCFC should always be attempting to play the best football it can, attempting to get local players into the XI. Being Bristol City the Pride of the West has to be better than expecting Steve Lansdown to finance mercenary XI's for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 A better scouting system would be better value for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 20 hours ago, crusader said: Scrapping the system would be bonkers, just as is the clubs decision to monopolise Bristol rather than a 50 mile radius. Getting players into the Championship is much more difficult to do than League 1, the club has to bide time & money until the gem arrives paying for the system running. 286,000 per year to run Cat 2 Academy system I believe. A snip for prem & championship clubs If it's just 268k then it would be foolish to scrap it being as selling Bryan alone would probably pay for 3-4 years of the academy quite easily therefore it would be silly to disband it. Even if that number is wrong, if youth was such a poor idea then almost every club out there would not be looking to have youth development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 On 16/12/2015 at 22:46, Eddie Hitler said: I've posted before that I've entirely lost faith in it because any real energing stars we do discover get poached by Premiership clubs for a pittance. If we could get proper fees for those players then I'd be all for it; but we don't. It's great that Bryan, Burns & Reid have come through it, but that's not enough for the money spent. Time to scrap it and hire a full-time non-league scout. We already have a non-league scout Mr 'Itler, sir. The Academy is, of course, worth keeping. However, in order to attract and keep the best talent, you have to convince parents of a clear and achievable pathway to the first team. BCFC Academy do not rank very high in the thoughts of lots parents. This is what must change if we want to have a successful academy production line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 As of yet we have not had a player come through who has made it big. A lot of Clubs our size have. It has to happen one day. Currently I think Skuse is the most successful academy graduate and that just isn't good enough. We need to find a Gareth Bale!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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