allyolly Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 That was the chant at the end of the match today and yes it was from the city fans. It would appear that he has the support of many that attend games in addition to the owner and the board. Anyone hoping for a change of manager will be disappointed I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tiger Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 He has to go. 5 times we have conceded 4 goals this season. Not good enough. Cockrill out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 minute ago, Tiger said: He has to go. 5 times we have conceded 4 goals this season. Not good enough. Cockrill out. At least take the trouble to spell the bloke`s name properly if you`re going to dish out abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Ive been to 5 away games this season where we,ve lost heavily and haven't heard these chants...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardy Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Perhaps the pro-Cotts brigade on here need to find their voice more then. Don't get me wrong I'm not some happy clapper who will put up with anything but you have to see the bigger picture. Does anyone really think another manager will get more out of these players than the man who has made them what they are? Cotts to stay for me - he needs money in January & should be given the opportunity to put this mess right. There's only one Steve Cotterill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 When we were 8-0 up against Walsall in May 2015, just about to pick up our first title in 60 years, who would of predicted how fickle some of our fan base would be a few months later?. Surely we all knew this season would be a real tough one, anyone with any nous would have realised it was a case of just staying in the Championship. Coming fourth from bottom is our aim this season, were one place away from it, so why not support the manager and the team and help them in getting there. It really is that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjia 22 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Has to stay for me, give him the funds in January to add to the team and then sort us out, if by the end of February we are looking in a spot of bother then I will agree the hunt for a new manager may begin. In my opinion the team we have this season is good enough to stay up without additions, so with additions that add to the team I'm sure we'll be fine! There are 4, maybe 5 worse teams than us in this league that is; Bolton, MK Dons, Charlton, Huddersfield and Rotherham. Hopefully Preston also joins this bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyolly Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 2 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: When we were 8-0 up against Walsall in May 2015, just about to pick up our first title in 60 years, who would of predicted how fickle some of our fan base would be a few months later?. Surely we all knew this season would be a real tough one, anyone with any nous would have realised it was a case of just staying in the Championship. Fourth from bottom is our aim this season, were one place away from it, so why not support the manager and the team and help them in getting there. It really is that simple. Couldn't agree more. Expectations have to be realistic which after such a great season last year is difficult. Survival is realistic in my opinion. And still very much an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Redrobbin Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 There's only one Steve Cotterill. Just as well some may say. From the summer onwards it's all drastically changed. We all thought the squad we had that walked last season would hold their own this. Us as fans were wrong but to say Cotterill was also wrong would be naive on this part surly. His tactics in hindsight are stubborn and naive. His "Championship manger CV" isn't sparkling is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 10 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: When we were 8-0 up against Walsall in May 2015, just about to pick up our first title in 60 years, who would of predicted how fickle some of our fan base would be a few months later?. Surely we all knew this season would be a real tough one, anyone with any nous would have realised it was a case of just staying in the Championship. Coming fourth from bottom is our aim this season, were one place away from it, so why not support the manager and the team and help them in getting there. It really is that simple. Whilst I largely agree PB, it was 8-2 by the way, yes I knew it was going to be tough but it shouldn't have been. We were as good as up in early April so had a good couple of months advantage over PNE to sound out new recruits yet we find ourselves 7 points behind them at this stage of the season. We really do need an injection into the squad in January to give us and SC the belief required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 7 minutes ago, Redrobbin said: There's only one Steve Cotterill. Just as well some may say. From the summer onwards it's all drastically changed. We all thought the squad we had that walked last season would hold their own this. Us as fans were wrong but to say Cotterill was also wrong would be naive on this part surly. His tactics in hindsight are stubborn and naive. His "Championship manger CV" isn't sparkling is it? Yes but it's how you define 'hold their own'. For me that's 21st or better. That confirms us as a Championship team. We're really not that far away. Sky Sports reported he got an excellent reception at Burnley from their fans. They appreciated his work at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza1982 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The vast majority of our fans are fully behind Cotterill! Only one Steve Cotterill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Redrobbin Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 4-0 defeat! Ironic claps. Thanks for an easy day. Regardless of is tenure there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Redrobbin Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Sorry to answer your first point. Yes consolidation this season definitely I do hope he can deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 5 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: Whilst I largely agree PB, it was 8-2 by the way, yes I knew it was going to be tough but it shouldn't have been. We were as good as up in early April so had a good couple of months advantage over PNE to sound out new recruits yet we find ourselves 7 points behind them at this stage of the season. We really do need an injection into the squad in January to give us and SC the belief required. Yes! I forgot about the 2 we conceded! Irrespective of the lack of summer signings I still think a lot of people's expectations for this season were way over the top. I'm sure we will add some quality in January, and I'm confident we can stay in this league. SC deserves our support imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 47 minutes ago, Tiger said: He has to go. 5 times we have conceded 4 goals this season. Not good enough. Cockrill out. 11 posts and can't spell the managers name. Someone get Steve Lansdown on the phone so he can involve you in all future decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider_boy Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Surely by now Cott's has presented a list of Jan targets that are realistic & will strengthen key areas and convinced the board that he has the plan to keep us up. If so, keep him on - in Cotts we trust. If he doesn't have a list of realistic targets, time to move on... I hope it's the former! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyolly Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 49 minutes ago, 'keepuplino' said: Ive been to 5 away games this season where we,ve lost heavily and haven't heard these chants...... Don't think I said was every game but was definitely the case today. Cotts came over to acknowledge the fans for quite a while and it felt like there was a proper mutual support. In my opinion it's sticking together that will give us the best chance of turning this situation around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 38 minutes ago, Kodjia 22 said: Has to stay for me, give him the funds in January to add to the team and then sort us out, if by the end of February we are looking in a spot of bother then I will agree the hunt for a new manager may begin. In my opinion the team we have this season is good enough to stay up without additions, so with additions that add to the team I'm sure we'll be fine! There are 4, maybe 5 worse teams than us in this league that is; Bolton, MK Dons, Charlton, Huddersfield and Rotherham. Hopefully Preston also joins this bunch. You do realise we only beat one of these teams and lost heavily to another? Not sure what evidence there is that shows we are better than them. We may look better playing the ball around but when it comes to end product sorry but we aren't better than three of them. And Preston are 8....yes 8.... points BETTER than us this season. I am sorry to say that logic tells me our falling behind Preston can only be explained by their manager being better able to adapt tactics to this league than ours. Player changes do not explain the turnaround in results between us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Im trying to keep faith, I really am. Im just finding it extremely hard to stay positive, tactically we are so naive and its a driving force as to why we are where we are. The manager needs to have a hard look at himself and question his decision making on all things tactical and setting up a team. Yes he did wonders last season but I'm starting to question weather he just got lucky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJS Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 hour ago, Cardy said: Perhaps the pro-Cotts brigade on here need to find their voice more then. Don't get me wrong I'm not some happy clapper who will put up with anything but you have to see the bigger picture. Does anyone really think another manager will get more out of these players than the man who has made them what they are? Cotts to stay for me - he needs money in January & should be given the opportunity to put this mess right. There's only one Steve Cotterill. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City1970 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 hour ago, Tiger said: He has to go. 5 times we have conceded 4 goals this season. Not good enough. Cockrill out. Its the players who are not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 51 minutes ago, Kodjia 22 said: Has to stay for me, give him the funds in January to add to the team and then sort us out, if by the end of February we are looking in a spot of bother then I will agree the hunt for a new manager may begin. In my opinion the team we have this season is good enough to stay up without additions, so with additions that add to the team I'm sure we'll be fine! There are 4, maybe 5 worse teams than us in this league that is; Bolton, MK Dons, Charlton, Huddersfield and Rotherham. Hopefully Preston also joins this bunch. "If we are looking in a spot of bother" by the end of February??!! Don't you think we are in a spot of bother NOW?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJS Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 minute ago, City1970 said: Its the players who are not good enough. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aipearcey Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 52 minutes ago, Redrobbin said: There's only one Steve Cotterill. Just as well some may say. From the summer onwards it's all drastically changed. We all thought the squad we had that walked last season would hold their own this. Us as fans were wrong but to say Cotterill was also wrong would be naive on this part surly. His tactics in hindsight are stubborn and naive. His "Championship manger CV" isn't sparkling is it? I think they probably can hold there own for 60 minutes against lesser teams in this league and earn enough points to stay up. Unfortunately once it gets to 60 minutes and our team tires other teams change players or game plans and we do not, whether that's because there's no trust with the players on the bench I'm not sure but we don't seem to have a plan B or the option to continue plan A with the same intensity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted December 28, 2015 Admin Share Posted December 28, 2015 7 minutes ago, City1970 said: Its the players who are not good enough. Is that not the responsibility of the Manager? Surely if the pre season transfer balls-up was totally down to people above him, he would have walked, to preserve his reputation, either that or he is over confident in his ability to polish a turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Redrobbin Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 5 minutes ago, Aipearcey said: I think they probably can hold there own for 60 minutes against lesser teams in this league and earn enough points to stay up. Unfortunately once it gets to 60 minutes and our team tires other teams change players or game plans and we do not Yes 60 mins is the milestone time to change tack or freshen things up in a game. i.e substitutions. Something Cotterill refuses to do. Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 hour ago, gazza1982 said: The vast majority of our fans are fully behind Cotterill! Only one Steve Cotterill How do you know the opinions of 15,000 people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 hour ago, gazza1982 said: The vast majority of our fans are fully behind Cotterill! Only one Steve Cotterill rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 hour ago, cynic said: So, just to play along, who would you have in his place ? Ex-Man.Utd, Everton, and Real Sociedad manager David Moyes as some fantasists on here are touting ? Or ex- premiership manager Nigel Pearson as some dumb nuts are advocating ? Or maybe just a cheaper relative unknown or inexperienced bloke - which is much more likely. We are in the shite and its largely down to SC but also things have not been right at board level, hence Pelling leaving PDQ by "mutual consent" at the end of the last window. I hope this club doesn't revert to type and panic and make things worse. SC has one more transfer window and half a season to put it right imo. Nigel Pearson is also an ex-league one manager and ex-championship manager. And he won both those divisions. If he was happy to manage Leicester in league one why are people 'dumb nuts' for suggesting he may consider managing our club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyolly Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: How do you know the opinions of 15,000 people? Isn't it 42000 if we look at Wembley?! Original post was based on the turnout at turf moor. Probably no more than 500 but at least those that can maybe have more valid opinions due to actually being there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Too much has been said about last years heroics so we need to move on from that. The fans are patient but that won't last. Cotts needs a run of five or six games undefeated to boost confidence and shh the boo boys, will this happen...I don't think so, I would love it if it did!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 minute ago, allyolly said: Isn't it 42000 if we look at Wembley?! Original post was based on the turnout at turf moor. Probably no more than 500 but at least those that can maybe have more valid opinions due to actually being there. Our regular fans who attend home games number around 15,000. I was questioning the poster who said 'the vast majority of our fans are fully behind Cotterill' - I don't know how he/she can claim to know that, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyolly Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 5 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Our regular fans who attend home games number around 15,000. I was questioning the poster who said 'the vast majority of our fans are fully behind Cotterill' - I don't know how he/she can claim to know that, do you? There is a poll suggesting 75% would not want to see Cotts sacked before the transfer window. That coupled with the support today suggests a pretty resounding vote of confidence at present? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 hour ago, Portland Bill said: When we were 8-0 up against Walsall in May 2015, just about to pick up our first title in 60 years, who would of predicted how fickle some of our fan base would be a few months later?. Surely we all knew this season would be a real tough one, anyone with any nous would have realised it was a case of just staying in the Championship. Coming fourth from bottom is our aim this season, were one place away from it, so why not support the manager and the team and help them in getting there. It really is that simple. Bill, cap is ROYALLY doffed, mate ! (yes, we both know I am a royalist, and you aren't !) Best post since...................... your last good one ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 3 minutes ago, allyolly said: There is a poll suggesting 75% would not want to see Cotts sacked before the transfer window. That coupled with the support today suggests a pretty resounding vote of confidence at present? Which poll is that? And how many fans responded to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 minute ago, cynic said: That should be pretty obvious. Only a dumb nut would think otherwise. Not obvious to me so can you tell me please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyolly Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 9 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Which poll is that? And how many fans responded to it? It's on a previous thread mate. Have a look, not sure how many responded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Has he gone yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider_boy Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 4 minutes ago, cynic said: On his way apparently. Nigel Pearson and David Moyes being lined up. Just seen Van Gaal in Clifton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 13 minutes ago, cynic said: On his way apparently. Nigel Pearson and David Moyes being lined up. Absolutely no way whatsoever Moyes will come here. I doubt Pearson would want to take it on either. Best bet might be Rosler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 2 hours ago, Portland Bill said: When we were 8-0 up against Walsall in May 2015, just about to pick up our first title in 60 years, who would of predicted how fickle some of our fan base would be a few months later?. Surely we all knew this season would be a real tough one, anyone with any nous would have realised it was a case of just staying in the Championship. Coming fourth from bottom is our aim this season, were one place away from it, so why not support the manager and the team and help them in getting there. It really is that simple. Do you think the management, since that day, have done an effective job in building on the excellent foundations of last season, by developing the squad sufficiently to compete at this level, and made best use of the significant funds made available to them as evidenced by the bids for Gray and Gayle? After such a magnificent season last year, was the limit of our ambition really to finish fourth from bottom this year? Were we all on here talking about finishing 21st back in June? Having answered the above questions, do you not think the current frustration and criticism towards the management is entirely understandable? And is it really fair to call fans "fickle" because they might reasonably have expected more cohesive and effective preparation for a division you rightly describe as "tough", rather than the shambolic summer that followed, which destroyed all the momentum of our fabulous campaign last year? I will support the manager and the team as you say, but it is nowhere near as simple as you have tried to make out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 13 hours ago, gazza1982 said: The vast majority of our fans are fully behind Cotterill! Only one Steve Cotterill None so blind as those that cannot see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 I like Cotterill , am grateful to him for a dream season last year ( one of the very few in my life ! ) and he's not totally responsable for the transfer cock up . He is , however , responsable for bringing in loan players and not using them , not substituting players who are clearly out on their feet and persisting with a formation which is attractive mostly to the opposition ! He is responsable for the mindset of our first team who he says are not good enough at this level and therefore are not to blame for the inévitable defeats that follow . For me , Cotterill has not looked the same man since the beginning of the season for whatever reason , burn out , clash with the owner , No one really knows . So regretfully i think we need a change even though there are No guarantees we desperately need an injection of energy into the club as we a dying a slow and painful death . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 50 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: I like Cotterill , am grateful to him for a dream season last year ( one of the very few in my life ! ) and he's not totally responsable for the transfer cock up . He is , however , responsable for bringing in loan players and not using them , not substituting players who are clearly out on their feet and persisting with a formation which is attractive mostly to the opposition ! He is responsable for the mindset of our first team who he says are not good enough at this level and therefore are not to blame for the inévitable defeats that follow . For me , Cotterill has not looked the same man since the beginning of the season for whatever reason , burn out , clash with the owner , No one really knows . So regretfully i think we need a change even though there are No guarantees we desperately need an injection of energy into the club as we a dying a slow and painful death . http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32383723 http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/pelling-leaves-city-post-2681803.aspx Who knows what happened… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghornred Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 These fans chanting that are the true reds who follow City home and away and know that changing the manager will not help. I can not think of another manager who can get the players that we have playing any better so its either a total clear out (manager & players) or stick with what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Just now, cynic said: Maybe Mr. Pelling did a Flint and said No,No,No. Difficult to say. He could've been undermined by the board or vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Its very easy to be critical after this latest defeat but I'm afraid like it or not Burnley & Bristol City were two leagues & parachute payments apart last season and we are trying to compete with that and surprise surprise, it's not a level playing field. Apart from his dogged substitutions I think Cotts is trying his level best to squeeze every ounce out of a painfully thin and understrength squad so we are still reaping the rewards of all that pre season inactivity. Yes we were outplayed yesterday and they ran out deserved winners but to get where we want to be we will have to endure more days like this. With what players he has at his disposal I think he's working wonders and yes I clapped him at the end and I think he appreciated that and he deserves it. It's very easy to support a winning team but if our support for him now and his appreciation in return in the face of a nother defeat inspires him on for us then I for one am 100% in favour of it. Get behind the Manager and team. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 1 hour ago, Swede said: Its very easy to be critical after this latest defeat but I'm afraid like it or not Burnley & Bristol City were two leagues & parachute payments apart last season and we are trying to compete with that and surprise surprise, it's not a level playing field. Apart from his dogged substitutions I think Cotts is trying his level best to squeeze every ounce out of a painfully thin and understrength squad so we are still reaping the rewards of all that pre season inactivity. Yes we were outplayed yesterday and they ran out deserved winners but to get where we want to be we will have to endure more days like this. With what players he has at his disposal I think he's working wonders and yes I clapped him at the end and I think he appreciated that and he deserves it. It's very easy to support a winning team but if our support for him now and his appreciation in return in the face of a nother defeat inspires him on for us then I for one am 100% in favour of it. Get behind the Manager and team. COYR Swede says "get behind the team, get behind the team" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 1 hour ago, Swede said: Its very easy to be critical after this latest defeat but I'm afraid like it or not Burnley & Bristol City were two leagues & parachute payments apart last season and we are trying to compete with that and surprise surprise, it's not a level playing field. Apart from his dogged substitutions I think Cotts is trying his level best to squeeze every ounce out of a painfully thin and understrength squad so we are still reaping the rewards of all that pre season inactivity. Yes we were outplayed yesterday and they ran out deserved winners but to get where we want to be we will have to endure more days like this. With what players he has at his disposal I think he's working wonders and yes I clapped him at the end and I think he appreciated that and he deserves it. It's very easy to support a winning team but if our support for him now and his appreciation in return in the face of a nother defeat inspires him on for us then I for one am 100% in favour of it. Get behind the Manager and team. COYR You could also say that about Hull, even Cardiff in regards to parachute payments but we competed and competed well. For me, that simply isn't an argument coupled with the fact that Brentford with possibly less resources than us finished in the playoffs in their first season and are competing well in 8th this season. It can be done, its just been a complete farce from the get go here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 16 hours ago, The Gasbuster said: Bill, cap is ROYALLY doffed, mate ! (yes, we both know I am a royalist, and you aren't !) Best post since...................... your last good one ! That would be in about 2005 then mate ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 15 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said: Do you think the management, since that day, have done an effective job in building on the excellent foundations of last season, by developing the squad sufficiently to compete at this level, and made best use of the significant funds made available to them as evidenced by the bids for Gray and Gayle? After such a magnificent season last year, was the limit of our ambition really to finish fourth from bottom this year? Were we all on here talking about finishing 21st back in June? Having answered the above questions, do you not think the current frustration and criticism towards the management is entirely understandable? And is it really fair to call fans "fickle" because they might reasonably have expected more cohesive and effective preparation for a division you rightly describe as "tough", rather than the shambolic summer that followed, which destroyed all the momentum of our fabulous campaign last year? I will support the manager and the team as you say, but it is nowhere near as simple as you have tried to make out. Staying in the Championship is/was the objective, 21st would be the same as 11th in respect of just staying in this division,unless you or anyone was expecting a promotion push!. As for the summer transfer activity, no it wasn't very good was it, no one can try and pretend otherwise. It would have been great to get some more quality in, but for whatever reason we didn't, so we all have to forget it and accept we are where we are. Regarding your second paragraph, imo we do have a lot of fickle or ( for a better word) deluded fans who didn't and don't realise just how tough this division is, were a small club in the Championship and in our first season back we would always have been a bottom 10 side. I stick by what I said earlier, staying up was always the aim, and 21st or above would be reaching that aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hortonred Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 3 hours ago, foghornred said: These fans chanting that are the true reds who follow City home and away and know that changing the manager will not help. I can not think of another manager who can get the players that we have playing any better so its either a total clear out (manager & players) or stick with what we have. Well I have my tickets for Reading and will be getting behind the lads for the whole game but I still believe that something needs to change to improve our chances. Whether that is players, tactics or Manager , we cannot repeat what we have done or results won't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 If we lose on Saturday at Reading I think Cotts will be gone..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 4 hours ago, Swede said: Its very easy to be critical after this latest defeat but I'm afraid like it or not Burnley & Bristol City were two leagues & parachute payments apart last season and we are trying to compete with that and surprise surprise, it's not a level playing field. Apart from his dogged substitutions I think Cotts is trying his level best to squeeze every ounce out of a painfully thin and understrength squad so we are still reaping the rewards of all that pre season inactivity. Yes we were outplayed yesterday and they ran out deserved winners but to get where we want to be we will have to endure more days like this. With what players he has at his disposal I think he's working wonders and yes I clapped him at the end and I think he appreciated that and he deserves it. It's very easy to support a winning team but if our support for him now and his appreciation in return in the face of a nother defeat inspires him on for us then I for one am 100% in favour of it. Get behind the Manager and team. COYR It's not defeats at Derby and Burnley or at home to Reading that depress me. It's the fact that we have thrown away points against Ipswich, MK, Charlton and unable to dish up reasonable home performances, that make me so sure that we will be in League One next August! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 20 hours ago, Portland Bill said: When we were 8-0 up against Walsall in May 2015, just about to pick up our first title in 60 years, who would of predicted how fickle some of our fan base would be a few months later?. Surely we all knew this season would be a real tough one, anyone with any nous would have realised it was a case of just staying in the Championship. Coming fourth from bottom is our aim this season, were one place away from it, so why not support the manager and the team and help them in getting there. It really is that simple. Shoot me down if I am wrong, but were we ever 8-0 up against Wallsall? I thought we were 2-0 down before we started scoring freely, final score being 8-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 19 hours ago, 29AR said: Yes but it's how you define 'hold their own'. For me that's 21st or better. That confirms us as a Championship team. We're really not that far away. Sky Sports reported he got an excellent reception at Burnley from their fans. They appreciated his work at this level. They probably knew how easy it was going to be for their team to win against his system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 6 minutes ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said: Shoot me down if I am wrong, but were we ever 8-0 up against Wallsall? I thought we were 2-0 down before we started scoring freely, final score being 8-2 Yes, I was wrong when I posted that post, but replied to another poster admitting I got it wrong. For the record, we were one down, two one up and then two all at half time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 1 minute ago, Portland Bill said: Yes, I was wrong when I posted that post, but replied to another poster admitting I got it wrong. For the record, we were one down, two one up and then two all at half time! Thanks! that cleared that up for me. Happy New Year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 20 hours ago, Portland Bill said: When we were 8-0 up against Walsall in May 2015, just about to pick up our first title in 60 years, who would of predicted how fickle some of our fan base would be a few months later?. Surely we all knew this season would be a real tough one, anyone with any nous would have realised it was a case of just staying in the Championship. Coming fourth from bottom is our aim this season, were one place away from it, so why not support the manager and the team and help them in getting there. It really is that simple. And you don't think we're going down? Yes we knew it would be difficult, but realistically we were up with weeks of the season to go. We had months to plan for this and to find ourselves in this position at this time with so many mediocre clubs in this division is a monumental **** up, especially with investment in the infrastructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City1970 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 18 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said: Is that not the responsibility of the Manager? Surely if the pre season transfer balls-up was totally down to people above him, he would have walked, to preserve his reputation, either that or he is over confident in his ability to polish a turd. Just seen the highlights and Cotterill said after the game, not word for word but something like "Burnley are a premier league team and we are a League 1 team right now" and I would be disappointed if he felt otherwise. This tells me he is fully aware that we are not good enough and I would give him the January window to try and improve the squad with Championship standard players. Forget last season, that was League 1, we are now in the Championship where the standard is much higher. Looking at the games thus far and watching the highlights it is clear to me who are the players struggling at this level. Cotterill brought in players who have played at a higher level and put bids in for a proven goalscorer at this level, so he has tried to improve the squad. However, I am struggling to understand why Cox, Moore and Robinson have not played more games. This seems a waste of money on loan signings. In the end we have a squad not good enough at this level and I would expect Cotterill to address this issue in the transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 8 minutes ago, Rednwhiterob said: And you don't think we're going down? Yes we knew it would be difficult, but realistically we were up with weeks of the season to go. We had months to plan for this and to find ourselves in this position at this time with so many mediocre clubs in this division is a monumental **** up, especially with investment in the infrastructure. Why would I think we're going down? We are only halfway through the season, do you think fans of Mk,Rotherham,Fulham etc think they are safe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castle red Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 20 hours ago, Rednwhiterob said: Absolutely no way whatsoever Moyes will come here. I doubt Pearson would want to take it on either. Best bet might be Rosler. Sorry my first post what about mark Cooper did well with what he had at swindle .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 22 hours ago, Redrobbin said: There's only one Steve Cotterill. Just as well some may say. From the summer onwards it's all drastically changed. We all thought the squad we had that walked last season would hold their own this. Us as fans were wrong but to say Cotterill was also wrong would be naive on this part surly. His tactics in hindsight are stubborn and naive. His "Championship manger CV" isn't sparkling is it? No,WE didn't all think that....anyone thinking last seasons squad would do the biz this,without several quality additions is naive,and that's putting it polite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Redrobbin Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 14 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: No,WE didn't all think that....anyone thinking last seasons squad would do the biz this,without several quality additions is naive,and that's putting it polite. When I mean hold their own. I don't mean playoffs I mean comfortably out of the relegation dod fight. I mean mid table at best. SL isn't going to waste his money like he has in the past. He has the rugby finances to consider now also. A lot of posters are saying spend big. I don't think he is willing to do that. I do expect him to spend enough to keep us up though. But it will be a nail biting finish. Would we expect anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 4 hours ago, Slippin cider said: If we lose on Saturday at Reading I think Cotts will be gone..... I think Cotts will be here at the end of the season and next season in the championship....and hey why not go on a 10game unbeaten run.....starting right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Redrobbin Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 8 minutes ago, glos old boy said: I think Cotts will be here at the end of the season and next season in the championship....and hey why not go on a 10game unbeaten run.....starting right now We don't play til Saturday. Seriously though if that were to happen (seriously doubt that given the fixtures) I suspect only 10 points on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 12 minutes ago, glos old boy said: I think Cotts will be here at the end of the season and next season in the championship....and hey why not go on a 10game unbeaten run.....starting right now Dream on. You must be living in cloud cuckoo land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 51 minutes ago, Redrobbin said: When I mean hold their own. I don't mean playoffs I mean comfortably out of the relegation dod fight. I mean mid table at best. SL isn't going to waste his money like he has in the past. He has the rugby finances to consider now also. A lot of posters are saying spend big. I don't think he is willing to do that. I do expect him to spend enough to keep us up though. But it will be a nail biting finish. Would we expect anything else? If the rugby(and I follow the rugby)is really going to impact bcfc he can jog on..I don't think it (rugby) in reality is foremost in his mind as to rein in his bcfc spending....I imagine he views rugby as a solid investment but don't for a second think his heart gets involved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 3 hours ago, castle red said: Sorry my first post what about mark Cooper did well with what he had at swindle .. Agree, thought it was a harsh sacking tbh. Typical Swindon. He was in the frame for a couple of jobs shortly before he was sacked IIRC. Could be worth a shout but not sure it would reassure me we're going to stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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