Welcome To The Jungle Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Casting my eye over the squad we were relegated with back in 2013 it is depressing how many players would easily get into our team. I fear that maybe up to eleven of them could start for us based in their ability in 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Bristol_City_F.C._season#Squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Agree entirely, was thinking the same only the other day. No-one as good as Bikey or Carey at the back now, Skuse or Adomah in midfield, Stead up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider red Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I think the two squads are on a par, Baker is similar to Bikey, pack to skuse, a decent striker midfielder and cb and our squad now is stronger Imo. We just need to utilise it better, which cotts clearly isn't doing now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I think Pack has been doing very well recently but there is absolutely no bloody way he's on a par with Skuse. What I wouldn't give to have him back in our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 24 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: I fear that maybe up to eleven of them could start for us based in their ability in 2013. I'll let you off because everyone's entitled to be a drama queen now and again, but go on, pick eleven. Or anywhere near eleven for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted January 3, 2016 Author Share Posted January 3, 2016 Bikey wasn't in the squad that year. He was the season before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted January 3, 2016 Author Share Posted January 3, 2016 9 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I'll let you off because everyone's entitled to be a drama queen now and again, but go on, pick eleven. Or anywhere near eleven for that matter. I said up to as there are a few maybes but: Heaton and Gerken have proved to be good championship goalkeepers and the former was good in the Premier League too. Our team also lacks decent full backs (not wing backs) to play in a back four. And in a back four certainly Cunningham and maybe Maloney who we raved about in 2013 before relegation. Skuse- Need I say more. Calm and composed ball winner who was so underated in his time here. Anderson-Some creativity, again a maybe. Adomah... And I'd quite happily say that Stead, Davies, Baldock and Taylor would all play ahead of Wilbraham. The latter being imo, very underrated but I appreciate is probably the biggest maybe for most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 41 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Casting my eye over the squad we were relegated with back in 2013 it is depressing how many players would easily get into our team. I fear that maybe up to eleven of them could start for us based in their ability in 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Bristol_City_F.C._season#Squad You've ruined my Sunday. There are some improvements with the current squad, but collectively, we're no better. More wasted opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 11 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: I said up to as there are a few maybes but: Heaton and Gerken have proved to be good championship goalkeepers and the former was good in the Premier League too. Our team also lacks decent full backs (not wing backs) to play in a back four. And in a back four certainly Cunningham and maybe Maloney who we raved about in 2013 before relegation. Skuse- Need I say more. Calm and composed ball winner who was so underated in his time here. Anderson-Some creativity, again a maybe. Adomah... And I'd quite happily say that Stead, Davies, Baldock and Taylor would all play ahead of Wilbraham. The latter being imo, very underrated but I appreciate is probably the biggest maybe for most. Heaton I'll give you. Because of what we know now. Gerken, you'll never convince me he was any good. Cunningham couldn't get in the team last season. And Moloney was crap. Skuse I'll give you. Skuse and Smith would be exactly what we need right now. Adomah needs no explanation. Anderson, never really set the world alight for us, but a maybe. The Stead of back then, yes. The Stead of now, no. Davies of then, maybe, Davies of now, no. Baldock definitely. Taylor, no. So of the definites; Heaton, Skuse, Adomah, Baldock, we had no choice over keeping them. We lost them all because of relegation. But let's not lose sight of the fact that although there were some very good players in that squad (by our standards), there was a spectacular amount of shit. Some of the names make me shudder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One BCFC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Aside from a few this squad has so much desire and passion for the club than that gutless lot had. Unfortunately this team just aren't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Thank God we aren't gonna need 55 points to survive this season as was the case then. I'd take Heaton, Cunningham, Skuse, Adomah and Baldock from that squad but only 3 would get in the team. Gerken, an aging Carey, League 2 Maloney, League 1 Anderson and all others would get nowhere near our current players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Adomah, Stead, Baldock and Skuse would walk into this squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted January 3, 2016 Author Share Posted January 3, 2016 15 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Heaton I'll give you. Because of what we know now. Gerken, you'll never convince me he was any good. Cunningham couldn't get in the team last season. And Moloney was crap. Skuse I'll give you. Skuse and Smith would be exactly what we need right now. Adomah needs no explanation. Anderson, never really set the world alight for us, but a maybe. The Stead of back then, yes. The Stead of now, no. Davies of then, maybe, Davies of now, no. Baldock definitely. Taylor, no. So of the definites; Heaton, Skuse, Adomah, Baldock, we had no choice over keeping them. We lost them all because of relegation. But let's not lose sight of the fact that although there were some very good players in that squad (by our standards), there was a spectacular amount of shit. Some of the names make me shudder. The point was not so much should we have kept them, but rather that we had these players and still went down so what do we have to do this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Just now, Welcome To The Jungle said: The point was not so much should we have kept them, but rather that we had these players and still went down so what do we have to do this season? We do have better players across the board here now though. It's not so much about the good, it's about the dross. Smith is as good as Skuse (in my opinion), Kodjia is as good as Baldock (possibly better), our centre halves are better now. Freeman has the potential to be better. All is not lost this season. I genuinely think we're stronger than any of the relegation seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Skuse was awful In his last season with us. Best move all round that he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Stead is such a myth with some of our supporters, one good game then four poor ones. Lovely bloke but he is hugely overrated; by the way, Wilbraham is 36 for God's sake, no-one should realistically expect him to play 90 minutes week after week like we stupidly do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 9 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Stead is such a myth with some of our supporters, one good game then four poor ones. Lovely bloke but he is hugely overrated; by the way, Wilbraham is 36 for God's sake, no-one should realistically expect him to play 90 minutes week after week like we stupidly do. only one person i can think of who would be stupid enough to try to play Wilbraham week in week out despite his age, the manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Finesse Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Debatable which team is/was better. I personally am much happier with our current crop of young players. Not only do they have tons more desire, but I can only guess the wage bill is massively lower!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Amazed people still can't take it that Gerken is actually good keeper after all. Still, its always easier to look back on players we would like in the team when we are not doing so well. Guarantee you no one would have been saying they'd like a Stead/Davies of 2013 up front for us last season, or a Skuse in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd prefer Heaton AND Gerken to Frankie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 How many of that previous team are now ahead of us in league positions with their new club..? Without looking it up I'd say .. Heaton, Skuse, Killkenny, Adomah, was Bolasie with us at the start of that season?, Cunningham, any others..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 All assumes the opposition is at least as good. They might be paid more, but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 1 hour ago, OddBallJim said: Amazed people still can't take it that Gerken is actually good keeper after all. Still, its always easier to look back on players we would like in the team when we are not doing so well. Guarantee you no one would have been saying they'd like a Stead/Davies of 2013 up front for us last season, or a Skuse in midfield. Why not Davies? He scored 13 that season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Why isn't Nyatanga getting a mention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Can't understand people saying Baldock would walk into our team, the man has scored 2, 3 less than Wilbraham this season and the goal against us was an own goal.. He's shit at this level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallaceboy Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 5 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Agree entirely, was thinking the same only the other day. No-one as good as Bikey or Carey at the back now, Skuse or Adomah in midfield, Stead up front. Agreed.looking glum with what we have atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Also bear in mind that the Championship is a lot stronger now than it was then, so if it is universally agreed that a better City team in a weaker Championship were still relegated, I think we are in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 1 hour ago, handsofclay1909 said: Why isn't Nyatanga getting a mention? Shudder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 8 hours ago, Cider red said: I think the two squads are on a par, Baker is similar to Bikey, pack to skuse, a decent striker midfielder and cb and our squad now is stronger Imo. We just need to utilise it better, which cotts clearly isn't doing now! agree with most of that..but pack is not in the same league as skuse. In my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM91 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 If there was any doubt that this comparison is pointless, then look no further than comparing our current side with the one that finished 4th in 07/08. Many of our players would be better than their counterparts. football isn't played on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Looking at that list, we did have some decent players towards the end of our last spell in the Championship. I'm not sure why, but for some reason what sticks in my mind is the absolute dross we had (the likes of Foster, Mark Wilson, McGivern, MacManus, Taylor etc). Not all of these were in the relegation side, but they were symbolic of that decline towards league 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted January 3, 2016 Author Share Posted January 3, 2016 19 minutes ago, JM91 said: If there was any doubt that this comparison is pointless, then look no further than comparing our current side with the one that finished 4th in 07/08. Many of our players would be better than their counterparts. football isn't played on paper. Sorry, other than Kodjia, which current City player is getting into that 07/08 team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM91 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 1 minute ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Sorry, other than Kodjia, which current City player is getting into that 07/08 team? Well it's all theoretical posturing and clearly both irrelevant and pointless as i noted, but: Flint > McCombe Smith > Johnson Bryan > McAllister Elliott Bennett (if he can still count) > Nick Carle All three of Kodjia, Agard and Wilbraham > (Pick any of our stikeforce from 07/08, it was absolutely diabolical - Darren Byfield was our top goalscorer with 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterStyvarsRightFoot Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 6 would IMO and 3 of which are still with us ... Heaton skuse and Adomah only ones for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cummins17 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Completley disagree would only take 4 of them back personally: Heaton, Cunningham, skuse and baldock. The rest wouldn't get into the current squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted January 4, 2016 Author Share Posted January 4, 2016 38 minutes ago, JM91 said: Well it's all theoretical posturing and clearly both irrelevant and pointless as i noted, but: Flint > McCombe Smith > Johnson Bryan > McAllister Elliott Bennett (if he can still count) > Nick Carle All three of Kodjia, Agard and Wilbraham > (Pick any of our stikeforce from 07/08, it was absolutely diabolical - Darren Byfield was our top goalscorer with 8) We're crying out for player who can pass a ball. For all Johnson's faults he could pass a ball better than anyone in our current team. However Smith for Johnson and Agard in are the only two I might concede. To compare Flint to McCombe at this level is not really a debate imo. Can Flint be better than McCombe, can Bryan be better than McAllister yes, but they are not yet. That said if we still had JET we could be discussing the potential of JET and Trundle as a strikeforce. Lazy as anything but my goodness they would entertain. If Buts and Maybes you are right. However some, myself included, have enjoyed thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 10 hours ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: I said up to as there are a few maybes but: Heaton and Gerken have proved to be good championship goalkeepers and the former was good in the Premier League too. Our team also lacks decent full backs (not wing backs) to play in a back four. And in a back four certainly Cunningham and maybe Maloney who we raved about in 2013 before relegation. Skuse- Need I say more. Calm and composed ball winner who was so underated in his time here. Anderson-Some creativity, again a maybe. Adomah... And I'd quite happily say that Stead, Davies, Baldock and Taylor would all play ahead of Wilbraham. The latter being imo, very underrated but I appreciate is probably the biggest maybe for most. Last season Wilbraham was scoring 20 goals in league 1 while Taylor got 9 in league 2. Anyone who thinks this current team is anywhere near as bad as that one wants their head checked. We lost eight games in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 There are some rose tints on here. Some good individual players in the previous squad, but as a team there were utter horse shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 It's typical City. All squads evolve / get fragmented: it's what you do about it that matters. We ALWAYS seem to let it go too far before we act. FFS. Why? Uncle TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 On 1/3/2016 at 13:23, Welcome To The Jungle said: Casting my eye over the squad we were relegated with back in 2013 it is depressing how many players would easily get into our team. I fear that maybe up to eleven of them could start for us based in their ability in 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Bristol_City_F.C._season#Squad Aren't you banned, WTTJ? Uncle TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 On January 3, 2016 at 14:08, Fordy62 said: Heaton I'll give you. Because of what we know now. Gerken, you'll never convince me he was any good. Cunningham couldn't get in the team last season. And Moloney was crap. Skuse I'll give you. Skuse and Smith would be exactly what we need right now. Adomah needs no explanation. Anderson, never really set the world alight for us, but a maybe. The Stead of back then, yes. The Stead of now, no. Davies of then, maybe, Davies of now, no. Baldock definitely. Taylor, no. So of the definites; Heaton, Skuse, Adomah, Baldock, we had no choice over keeping them. We lost them all because of relegation. But let's not lose sight of the fact that although there were some very good players in that squad (by our standards), there was a spectacular amount of shit. Some of the names make me shudder. Baldock played a season in divvy three, we lost him because Brighton offered a bucket load of money, but without being pendantic, it is a bit worrying that our current crop ore not doing it and one or two comparisons are there and they are not favorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 On 3 janvier 2016 at 23:46, Spoons said: agree with most of that..but pack is not in the same league as skuse. In my opinion He is this season . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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