daored Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 As supporters of Bristol City Football Club, do we have to start to accept we're simply a very small club in respect of standings within the English football league? This season we are competing against clubs with wealth far in excess of our own, flubs who have recently been in the Premiership and have payments following relegation, who we simply can't compete against. This summer / January has seen us target players from the premier league, plus clubs such as gillingham, walsall and we simply for what reason can not attract players to play for us, be that wages or just not seen as an attractive proposition. We look like appointing a new manager with limited experience, and who hasn't managed at this level before, whilst reverting back to the DOF we had previously. The club for me has no long term strategy, and seems to alter their approach to set up of the club on a regular basis. Now we have a DOF which I believe was scrapped following SC's appointment. The club needs to decide how it wants to proceed, regardless of who the manager is and stick to that philosophy. The container changing of approach, pillars is becoming a joke. We need to set a identity of who we are and what we want to become Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Who's been appointed as DOF? I must have missed it. Can't wait to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Nomad said: Who's been appointed as DOF? I must have missed it. Can't wait to find out. Isn't that Mark Ashton's role , or have I mis-understood that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 minute ago, daored said: Isn't that Mark Ashton's role , or have I mis-understood that ? Chief operating officer / CEO roles will generally be different to a DOF. However, a job title can be misleading. Without reading the job spec I wouldn't want to speculate too much. Will he identify and bring in players if a head coach doesn't want them? I'd hope not as the head coach picks the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 14 minutes ago, daored said: As supporters of Bristol City Football Club, do we have to start to accept we're simply a very small club in respect of standings within the English football league? Absolutely we do. Why would Steve Clarke come here with a West Brom sacking and Reading he burned bridges and wrote his own P45. Why would Pearson come here when he's basking in having built Leic squad - he's getting a lot of credit, rightly so. Why would Moyes come here, he's built a super reputation at Everton and smashed it with a few silly moves: albeit no one can blame him going to man Utd Why would Monk come here, having been sacked from Swansea after being touted as promising could he cope with the risk of a championship relegation? That would put him many steps back All these managers could not afford to come here, with no transfers to make, with us in the relegation spots in the Championship. Reputation ally none could cope with a relegation and none would rebuild it by taking us up (if we dropped) or by saving us. It was a gamble none could reasonably take and neither could we expect them to take. In November maybe they would have. But without a chance to change the squad they are backing their own Midas touch. That makes the gamble a step too far. I'm gonna say it : with LJ forming a strong reputation he is taking as much a gamble on us as we are on him. Relegation would put him many steps back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 'Start accepting it..'? I've never stopped! Wigan Athletic have had twice as many seasons as us in the top division in the last hundred or so years and they've won the FA Cup... We are tiny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just now, 29AR said: Absolutely we do. Why would Steve Clarke come here with a West Brom sacking and Reading he burned bridges and wrote his own P45. Why would Pearson come here when he's basking in having built Leic squad - he's getting a lot of credit, rightly so. Why would Moyes come here, he's built a super reputation at Everton and smashed it with a few silly moves: albeit no one can blame him going to man Utd Why would Monk come here, having been sacked from Swansea after being touted as promising could he cope with the risk of a championship relegation? That would put him many steps back All these managers could not afford to come here, with no transfers to make, with us in the relegation spots in the Championship. Reputation ally none could cope with a relegation and none would rebuild it by taking us up or saving us. It was a gamble none could reasonably take and neither could we expect them to take. In November maybe they would have. But without a chance to change the squad they are backing their own Midas touch. That makes the gamble a step too far. To attract those managers , you would have to give total control, plus massive financial backing. Simply put the club appear reluctant to give either. The talk from the board of premiership football is pie in the sky. Unfortunately with modern day football to have ambition you have to have big money! We may have the ambition but we simply don't have the funds to back it up, or if we do, are reluctant to spend it. But as others have said its easier when it isn't your own! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 minute ago, daored said: To attract those managers , you would have to give total control, plus massive financial backing. Simply put the club appear reluctant to give either. The talk from the board of premiership football is pie in the sky. Unfortunately with modern day football to have ambition you have to have big money! We may have the ambition but we simply don't have the funds to back it up, or if we do, are reluctant to spend it. But as others have said its easier when it isn't your own! I think irrespective of what we offered they weren't coming. Maybe they would if we stay up, maybe 3 months ago they would, mid January I think they wouldn't have responded to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee67 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 21 minutes ago, daored said: As supporters of Bristol City Football Club, do we have to start to accept we're simply a very small club in respect of standings within the English football league? This season we are competing against clubs with wealth far in excess of our own, flubs who have recently been in the Premiership and have payments following relegation, who we simply can't compete against. This summer / January has seen us target players from the premier league, plus clubs such as gillingham, walsall and we simply for what reason can not attract players to play for us, be that wages or just not seen as an attractive proposition. We look like appointing a new manager with limited experience, and who hasn't managed at this level before, whilst reverting back to the DOF we had previously. The club for me has no long term strategy, and seems to alter their approach to set up of the club on a regular basis. Now we have a DOF which I believe was scrapped following SC's appointment. The club needs to decide how it wants to proceed, regardless of who the manager is and stick to that philosophy. The container changing of approach, pillars is becoming a joke. We need to set a identity of who we are and what we want to become How did you work that out then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDziek Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 What type of club are we? a brilliant one, and I wouldn't want to support any other! the board don't always get it right, nor do the players. Nor do the fans either! And that is something that is mirrored at every club in the world. But we are Bristol City. The greatest football team the world has ever seen. Lets give LJ our full backing from the outset irrespective of your view, and if he fails, then so be it, I'm sure it won't be for the lack of trying on his part. Managers come, managers go. Us fans will remain (well, most of us anyway having read the other threads!) COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbored Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Back street motors .. But then again that's where I get my car serviced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 6 minutes ago, lee67 said: How did you work that out then? I would suggest that for me, Derby, Boro, Brighton, QPR, Burnley, Wolves, Birmingham, Hull, Wednesday, are all clubs who are able to out bid us for players and also potentially be seen as a more attractive option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 7 minutes ago, SuperDziek said: What type of club are we? a brilliant one, and I wouldn't want to support any other! the board don't always get it right, nor do the players. Nor do the fans either! And that is something that is mirrored at every club in the world. But we are Bristol City. The greatest football team the world has ever seen. Lets give LJ our full backing from the outset irrespective of your view, and if he fails, then so be it, I'm sure it won't be for the lack of trying on his part. Managers come, managers go. Us fans will remain (well, most of us anyway having read the other threads!) COYR My point wasn't meant to be negative it was just a question in terms of where we currently are. I completely agree, I"m proud to call myself a city fan. I'm a Bristol boy and there was only two options available red or blue, I choose red and never looked back and never will. If LJ is appointed, he will have my full backing , just as any other manager would / player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee67 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 So what about the other 14 teams? we have got to have more funds at our disposal than the majority of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 A damned frustrating one . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just now, Major Isewater said: A damned frustrating one . That made me laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDziek Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 36 minutes ago, daored said: My point wasn't meant to be negative it was just a question in terms of where we currently are. I completely agree, I"m proud to call myself a city fan. I'm a Bristol boy and there was only two options available red or blue, I choose red and never looked back and never will. If LJ is appointed, he will have my full backing , just as any other manager would / player Fair point, and not having a pop at you. More a response to all the anti-LJ stuff on other threads, and the thread title seemed appropriate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderrider Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 The sort of club with a board that thinks this is good PR. From the BCFC website: City given opportunity to speak with former player. Bristol City FC can confirm it has been granted permission by Barnsley FC to speak to its head coach Lee Johnson. The club will be making no further comment. ENDS So not a club that values good communication, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 17 minutes ago, SuperDziek said: Fair point, and not having a pop at you. More a response to all the anti-LJ stuff on other threads, and the thread title seemed appropriate! None taken. I just think there has to an element of realism to what we can expect players and managers wise. Will LJ be a success, who knows? But he clearly has strong ties to the club and area , that surely isn't a bad starting point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 hour ago, lee67 said: So what about the other 14 teams? we have got to have more funds at our disposal than the majority of them. It's all subjective and I accept that. Players are attracted by funds and ambition, for some reason it appears players question ours. Dack, Bradshaw, from league 1. Gayle from the premiership and Gray who played for a supposedly smaller club than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 18 minutes ago, ciderrider said: The sort of club with a board that thinks this is good PR. From the BCFC website: City given opportunity to speak with former player. Bristol City FC can confirm it has been granted permission by Barnsley FC to speak to its head coach Lee Johnson. The club will be making no further comment. ENDS So not a club that values good communication, obviously. What would you be expecting them to say then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 A club that could be a lot ****ing bigger if managed correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 hour ago, daored said: The container changing of approach, pillars is becoming a joke. That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. We're just s bunch of sh1t gibbon c0ckwombles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Bottom Line - We buy cheap, we buy often, Steve Lansdown is one of the richest guys in the UK - but doesn't want to spend his wealth to achieve "what we all want" It's just another business,,,,full stop, albeit a business he likes and being at the helm! If we employ Little Lee, then it's probable we will yo - yo as we always have done between tier 2 and 3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed@BCFC Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 We all know that being a fan of a football club is a strange phenomenon especially those who are not glory chasers like ourselves. CTID is so real and I would never change being a BCFC fan. I've said it before on other topic strings that we are not a sleeping giant but (at the moment) we are a club too big for League 1 but too small for the Championship. I know people compare us with other clubs but until we think big from the board down and grow financially we will yo-yo between the two divisions. People talk about the size of the city of Bristol but the attendance is not good enough. I know people will say you need a team to watch but before this will happen we need a bigger diehard fan base - think Leeds etc. I don't want us to do a Pourtsmouth and so I want to see a sustainable and successful club. Every year we lose millions and that has to stop and with the development we are moving in the right direction. Steve L's money has made a big difference but without him covering debt what would the figure be? I'm afraid we are going to have to be content with appointments such as LJ for the foreseeable future. Sometimes reality bites. Zed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 hour ago, lee67 said: So what about the other 14 teams? we have got to have more funds at our disposal than the majority of them. We only have better spending power and attraction then Rotherham maybe Brentford and mk Dons and Bolton because of their financial postion thats it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 If you accept being a small club you will become one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just now, Monkeh said: We only have better spending power and attraction then Rotherham maybe Brentford and mk Dons and Bolton because of their financial postion thats it bullshit!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 18 minutes ago, daored said: It's all subjective and I accept that. Players are attracted by funds and ambition, for some reason it appears players question ours. Dack, Bradshaw, from league 1. Gayle from the premiership and Gray who played for a supposedly smaller club than ours. We can't talk to players if their club won't accept a bid we offered 2 million for dack would you of oversee more for an unproven player at this level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 minute ago, Olympian said: If you accept being a small club you will become one. Exactly this, we have all the potential to be a large club but we refuse to grow with our success... We are simply a tinpot outfit, this is the only way to describe Bristol City FC and the mentality of a large proportion of its fans!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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