marmite Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Was the ref today correct about the back pass in the second half? He kept pointing to his knee as if to say that it was ok to knee the ball back to the keeper to pick up? I don't know the rule so was he correct to allow it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Anything from knee or above is OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Not a back pass if it's played back by thigh, knee or shin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Every day's a school day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I thought if it was a deliberate back pass with any part of the leg the ref could blow for it, but if it is off the knee not really likely to be deliberate? Might be wrong mind. Rule The ball is kicked (played with the foot, not the knee, thigh, or shin) by a team-mate of the goalkeeper. I stand corrected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Seems our crowd and more our importantly, our players, dont know the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I thought it came off his knee first and then he kicked it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Seems our crowd and more our importantly, our players, dont know the rules. Ha true. We'll shout for any small advantage though! The thing is if it was off the knee then the ref was right, but if it wasn't then did he use that as an excuse not to give it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Got me thinking why don't players knee it or shin it back to the goalie more often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUTOR Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 It was definitely above the knee, not a back pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohbasso Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I didn't even see the pass but I still screamed like a mad man at the ref though, if you don't ask you don't get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 1 hour ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Ha true. We'll shout for any small advantage though! The thing is if it was off the knee then the ref was right, but if it wasn't then did he use that as an excuse not to give it Gotta be worth the shout even if only to put the element of doubt in the ref's mind when it comes to the next 50:50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 It did make me chuckle; the amount of people who shouted "back-pass". Then continued a barrage toward the officials without knowing the rules. Awaits the 'yea but...' posse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 13 minutes ago, Scrumpy said: It did make me chuckle; the amount of people who shouted "back-pass". Then continued a barrage toward the officials without knowing the rules. Awaits the 'yea but...' posse. I know the rules but still "appealed" hopefully the highlight show light give us something definitive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 1 hour ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Got me thinking why don't players knee it or shin it back to the goalie more often? Difficult to do if the ball is on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: I know the rules but still "appealed" hopefully the highlight show light give us something definitive Haha, sure thing. I believe you It deffo came off the knee/upper shin area of his leg. I can confirm as I saw it perfectly. There were plenty round shouting then asking about the ruling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Well I shouted for it but thought it was from his foot - so rather than just being wrong about the decision I could also be accused of not paying attention if he did knee it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, Pezo said: Well I shouted for it but thought it was from his foot - so rather than just being wrong about the decision I could also be accused of not paying attention if he did knee it back. Nice try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I thought he kicked it, but hadn't been paying full attention as the person next to me was asking why we hadn't got the foul just before the contentious pass. I also have become very short sighted over the past year and can barely make out the numbers of players without my glasses, which I was without today. (I hope I have enough excuses for scrumpy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 1 hour ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Got me thinking why don't players knee it or shin it back to the goalie more often? If you flick it up and knee it back, I believe that is ungentlemantly conduct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 It has to be kicked with the foot/lower leg to be a back pass. However you can't use a "trick" to get away with heading it back etc. The ref had that one right actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Storr Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Hi Guys, can I help you with this one ....... It is an offence by a goalkeeper if he: touches the ball with his hands after it has been deliberately kicked to him by a team-mate That means kicked with any part of the foot, nothing above it. However, if he circumvents the law by flicking it up with his foot then heads it, it is still and offence for which an indirect free kick is given. The Laws of Association Football gives you the full Laws of the game and the interpretation of the laws, but I am willing to assist as an ex-licenced referee instructor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Bladder Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I knew you can head or chest it back to keeper, but I thought any part of the leg was a back pass. So I shouted like a madman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Dave Storr said: Hi Guys, can I help you with this one ....... It is an offence by a goalkeeper if he: touches the ball with his hands after it has been deliberately kicked to him by a team-mate That means kicked with any part of the foot, nothing above it. However, if he circumvents the law by flicking it up with his foot then heads it, it is still and offence for which an indirect free kick is given. The Laws of Association Football gives you the full Laws of the game and the interpretation of the laws, but I am willing to assist as an ex-licenced referee instructor. Cheers for the clarification Dave. The ref clearly knew his stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Super said: Difficult to do if the ball is on the ground. Yeah difficult to shin it off the floor but say long ball over the top, the defending player is facing his goalkeeper and purposely shins or knees a bouncing ball into the goalies hands, is that ok then right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I liked to apologise to the referee and point out that I don't actually know his parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Yep, you're not allowed to 'manufacture' a back 'pass'. Darren Peacock got penalised for lying on the ground and heading it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten minutes of rough Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 4 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Got me thinking why don't players knee it or shin it back to the goalie more often? Probably because they don't know they could, or if they did, they might think the ref didn't know the rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Rocker Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 4 hours ago, cidercity1987 said: Seems our crowd and more our importantly, our players, dont know the rules. Seems you're missing the point and, more importantly, don't realise what our job is, as fans. Our job is to loudly disagree with the ref whenever he gives a decision against us (rightly or wrongly, makes no difference), to get in his face and that of the opposing team and bench, and generally to influence the mood in our team's favour. The rules of football are pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Question: is it legal for the goalkeeper to pass to an outfielder, for the outfielder to flick the ball up and then knee, chest or head it back to him? Or would this be seen as gamesmanship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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