cider-manc Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Apologises if this has been mentioned elsewhere but Barca president Josep Maria Bartomeu has suggested that big clubs should be given wild cards to enter the champions league as "clubs have one bad season and it is a big punishment to not play in the champions league". Is this guy for real? The champs league is already struggling for credibility as the winners are rarely domestic title winners from the season before and now they want to allow top clubs to have special entry if they don't qualify!! I assume he is worried that now Barca and Real can't negotiate their own TV rights that other Spanish clubs might actually catch up. But it sounds more like a step towards a European super league... personally I can't wait until they all piss off and leave the rest of us to it. It's towards the bottom of the article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35635477 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just read that. Unbelievable, if you're not good enough, you're not good enough, no matter how many trophies you've won in the past, or how many fans you have around the world Ask Liverpool..... Maybe we should get a wildcard to the JPT, we must be more of a draw on a wet Tuesday night than Barnet, or R*vers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 23, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 May as well give them a free pass through the group stages as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Easier to look at the overall cost of the squad and award the title based on the number of zeros. Saves all the hassle and suspense of the football itself. What an utter *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Ain't modern football great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 To follow this chap's logic. If they are to have bad luck in one game then they should also have a pass through. i.e. lose a match but go through anyway. The sooner they create their own league and sod off the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 This is just the beginning of the campaign for a European super league, money. Wild card entries, no relegation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, kevinmabbuttshair said: This is just the beginning of the campaign for a European super league, money. Wild card entries, no relegation As I said last week, let them piss off Kev - let the proper clubs run the game, for the good of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 I find Barcelona the most arrogant club of the lot. I really do dislike them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 The one thing that keeps football fans coming back time after time is that if you are good you may win/get promoted and if you are bad you are going down a league. This keeps attendances high when sports that don't have this play in front of largely empty stadiums at the end of the season, if they are not near the top....Basketball, baseball, American Football etc.... If you are good enough you get in failure gets you nothing....Wildcards would be met with complete indifference by most outside of Liverpool and Manchester and the thought of a European super league for the 'big clubs' is all very well, but if most of us can never attain it, it will soon become irrelevant and tv figures will drop off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 The champions league should be just that - champions of each top domestic league in Europe as well as the domestic cup winners. You could even have an argument for the winners of the carling cup (or equivalent in other countries). That's 3 teams from each country that have - wait for it - won either the league or cup competitions!!!! That would also stop the "top" teams from playing weakened teams in the cups as the end reward is greater. The cup winners cup (or whatever it's known as now) could then have the runners up from both cups and league, and even one for fair play. Here's the kicker - if you get kicked out of the champions league, you don't get a place in the lesser European competition. Funnily enough you lose - you're out!!! Neither scenario will ever happen though as it would upset too many of the "elite" clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 12 minutes ago, Taz said: The champions league should be just that - champions of each top domestic league in Europe as well as the domestic cup winners. You could even have an argument for the winners of the carling cup (or equivalent in other countries). That's 3 teams from each country that have - wait for it - won either the league or cup competitions!!!! That would also stop the "top" teams from playing weakened teams in the cups as the end reward is greater. The cup winners cup (or whatever it's known as now) could then have the runners up from both cups and league, and even one for fair play. Here's the kicker - if you get kicked out of the champions league, you don't get a place in the lesser European competition. Funnily enough you lose - you're out!!! Neither scenario will ever happen though as it would upset too many of the "elite" clubs. There is a job at FIFA waiting for you, Taz UCL and Europa League is a mockery. Good old days, Champs in the EC, FA Cup winners in the CWC, 2nd, 3rd and maybe League Cup winners in the UEFA Cup No seedings, straight knock out. I'm sure some on here will remember Forest drawing Liverpool in the 1st round of the European Cup back in the day. Imagine Barca playing Real in round one now..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Next thing these big clubs will be asking for is something called "parachute payments". This new scheme will ensure that clubs who drop out of the C.L. early, and therefore find themselves overcommitted financially, will have a four year cushion before they feel the pain that the system they helped create takes hold. Crazy idea this really, it will never happen anywhere else ! Oh, hang on........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 This crap will only stop when this small handful of clubs lose their commercial grip on the world's football fans and become like any other top flight club teams. We can moan all we want about their arrogance, but what fuels it is the fact so many adults and children around the world want to support one of these teams. Without that, this lot can say or do very little, they're no more influential financially than Stoke. We don't have to keep battling with them over competition rules. The better solution is for real football fans everywhere to start stigmatising those that fund these empires by buying shirts/subscriptions from clubs miles away. What's killing football is that so many of us sit by and tolerate the fact that certain people everywhere choose to direct their spending to these distant empires. If we all in our own small way started chipping away at the self-esteem of all these traitors, very slowly and with everyone's involvement, the worm would turn. If Barcelona and these other self-righteous "marketing cults" lost their global credibility, they'd lose the backing/funding to continue these imperious demands. As an aside, the club in the record books for the most registered supporters around the world, is Benfica. It makes nothing like the money of these other clubs. The difference vs Barcelona, Chelsea, Man Utd and others is that they all set out specifically to market and commercialise an identity, not simply count up fans. I say that with pride. I grew up a Benfica supporter but became City when I moved to Bristol. People who don't support their local team are an embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted February 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 42 minutes ago, 29AR said: I find Barcelona the most arrogant club of the lot. I really do dislike them. This all day every day. They are the media darlings of Spanish football who play the club of the people card whilst insisting that they do everything the right way. In reality they are no better than the Real Madrid model they hate so much. Dodgy transfer dealings/taxes, massive transfer fees, cynically diving/cheating their way through games and selling their beliefs for financial gain to be played in front of 90,000 tourists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, Olé said: This crap will only stop when this small handful of clubs lose their commercial grip on the world's football fans and become like any other top flight club teams. We can moan all we want about their arrogance, but what fuels it is the fact so many adults and children around the world want to support one of these teams. Without that, this lot can say or do very little, they're no more influential financially than Stoke. We don't have to keep battling with them over competition rules. The better solution is for real football fans everywhere to start stigmatising those that fund these empires by buying shirts/subscriptions from clubs miles away. What's killing football is that so many of us sit by and tolerate the fact that certain people everywhere choose to direct their spending to these distant empires. If we all in our own small way started chipping away at the self-esteem of all these traitors, very slowly and with everyone's involvement, the worm would turn. If Barcelona and these other self-righteous "marketing cults" lost their global credibility, they'd lose the backing/funding to continue these imperious demands. As an aside, the club in the record books for the most registered supporters around the world, is Benfica. It makes nothing like the money of these other clubs. The difference vs Barcelona, Chelsea, Man Utd and others is that they all set out specifically to market and commercialise an identity, not simply count up fans. I say that with pride. I grew up a Benfica supporter but became City when I moved to Bristol. People who don't support their local team are an embarrassment. I've been dishing out shit to plastic Man U fans since I was a kid, mate. Sadly, it's not working ! Short of using violence, I don't know what else to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 39 minutes ago, Taz said: The champions league should be just that - champions of each top domestic league in Europe as well as the domestic cup winners. You could even have an argument for the winners of the carling cup (or equivalent in other countries). That's 3 teams from each country that have - wait for it - won either the league or cup competitions!!!! That would also stop the "top" teams from playing weakened teams in the cups as the end reward is greater. The cup winners cup (or whatever it's known as now) could then have the runners up from both cups and league, and even one for fair play. Here's the kicker - if you get kicked out of the champions league, you don't get a place in the lesser European competition. Funnily enough you lose - you're out!!! Neither scenario will ever happen though as it would upset too many of the "elite" clubs. Champions Cup for Champions , Cup Winners Cup for cup Winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 15 minutes ago, Olé said: This crap will only stop when this small handful of clubs lose their commercial grip on the world's football fans and become like any other top flight club teams. We can moan all we want about their arrogance, but what fuels it is the fact so many adults and children around the world want to support one of these teams. Without that, this lot can say or do very little, they're no more influential financially than Stoke. We don't have to keep battling with them over competition rules. The better solution is for real football fans everywhere to start stigmatising those that fund these empires by buying shirts/subscriptions from clubs miles away. What's killing football is that so many of us sit by and tolerate the fact that certain people everywhere choose to direct their spending to these distant empires. If we all in our own small way started chipping away at the self-esteem of all these traitors, very slowly and with everyone's involvement, the worm would turn. If Barcelona and these other self-righteous "marketing cults" lost their global credibility, they'd lose the backing/funding to continue these imperious demands. As an aside, the club in the record books for the most registered supporters around the world, is Benfica. It makes nothing like the money of these other clubs. The difference vs Barcelona, Chelsea, Man Utd and others is that they all set out specifically to market and commercialise an identity, not simply count up fans. I say that with pride. I grew up a Benfica supporter but became City when I moved to Bristol. People who don't support their local team are an embarrassment. Don't you start on local team support , my local team is not Bristol any more . Am i an ' embarrassment ' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 hours ago, cider-manc said: Apologises if this has been mentioned elsewhere but Barca president Josep Maria Bartomeu has suggested that big clubs should be given wild cards to enter the champions league as "clubs have one bad season and it is a big punishment to not play in the champions league". Is this guy for real? The champs league is already struggling for credibility as the winners are rarely domestic title winners from the season before and now they want to allow top clubs to have special entry if they don't qualify!! I assume he is worried that now Barca and Real can't negotiate their own TV rights that other Spanish clubs might actually catch up. But it sounds more like a step towards a European super league... personally I can't wait until they all piss off and leave the rest of us to it. It's towards the bottom of the article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35635477 1. what a 'kin' joke! 2. Yes, they'll soon get bored… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonboy Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 hours ago, cider-manc said: Apologises if this has been mentioned elsewhere but Barca president Josep Maria Bartomeu has suggested that big clubs should be given wild cards to enter the champions league as "clubs have one bad season and it is a big punishment to not play in the champions league". Is this guy for real? The champs league is already struggling for credibility as the winners are rarely domestic title winners from the season before and now they want to allow top clubs to have special entry if they don't qualify!! I assume he is worried that now Barca and Real can't negotiate their own TV rights that other Spanish clubs might actually catch up. But it sounds more like a step towards a European super league... personally I can't wait until they all piss off and leave the rest of us to it. It's towards the bottom of the article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35635477 As said before, I can't wait for these arrogant sh##s to bugger off and play in their European superleague. Television executives and foreign billionaires will never understand that most real football fans would rather watch Man utd/Arsenal play Peterborough or Grimsby in a cup competition. They have no sense of the history of the game and their only concern is revenue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 I feel that the Champions League has already become a franchise in itself, and the Premier League money has all of Europe scared, not because Premier League teams can outspend everyone, but because it disrupts the status quo of who gets to play in their franchise. A lot of fans in the Football League will tell these teams to **** off and play in their franchise, but I think the battle has already been won by them. Football is now a worldwide sport, and you'll be very hard-pressed to find any youngsters that support their local teams, across the world. This reference is lost on a lot of people, but I liken football to be like pro wrestling nowadays. The Champions League (and everything surrounding it) is the WWE, and everywhere else is the indies. Sure, you can watch wrestling locally in Bristol if you wanted to, but ask 99% of pro wrestling fans about wrestling and they'll all come back with references to WWE. They are so dominant that everything else put together doesn't even come close. You could be a seasoned wrestler who has been famous all across the world, like AJ Styles, but you wrestle ONE match in the WWE and you instantly get more money and more success than you ever had for over a decade of hard work. The Champions League controls football across the world, and the Premier League controls all of English football. We should ultimately thank our lucky stars that we're even allowed to be mentioned in the same light as us, because if any of them wanted to cut the Football League off it would happen, and our clubs would all die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, EnderMB said: I feel that the Champions League has already become a franchise in itself, and the Premier League money has all of Europe scared, not because Premier League teams can outspend everyone, but because it disrupts the status quo of who gets to play in their franchise. A lot of fans in the Football League will tell these teams to **** off and play in their franchise, but I think the battle has already been won by them. Football is now a worldwide sport, and you'll be very hard-pressed to find any youngsters that support their local teams, across the world. This reference is lost on a lot of people, but I liken football to be like pro wrestling nowadays. The Champions League (and everything surrounding it) is the WWE, and everywhere else is the indies. Sure, you can watch wrestling locally in Bristol if you wanted to, but ask 99% of pro wrestling fans about wrestling and they'll all come back with references to WWE. They are so dominant that everything else put together doesn't even come close. You could be a seasoned wrestler who has been famous all across the world, like AJ Styles, but you wrestle ONE match in the WWE and you instantly get more money and more success than you ever had for over a decade of hard work. The Champions League controls football across the world, and the Premier League controls all of English football. We should ultimately thank our lucky stars that we're even allowed to be mentioned in the same light as us, because if any of them wanted to cut the Football League off it would happen, and our clubs would all die. It wouldn't die, but I take your point Football won't die because United, City, Chelsea et all piss off to a European Super League. There would still be a top division that everyone would want to win, and I'm sure there would still be European football at stake. If it happens, and surely it's 'when' as opposed to 'if', then I would hope the remaining clubs would be sensible about the best way to split the money. Make sure Div 4 clubs get a generous split, don't hog the money at the top. There will be a massive drop in income, for sure, but to every club outside of the Premiership that won't make much difference. Put a wage cap in, if the NFL can handle it, I'm sure we can. Make the playing field as level as you possibly can - I'd pay a subscription to watch a league like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Woodsy said: There is a job at FIFA waiting for you, Taz UCL and Europa League is a mockery. Good old days, Champs in the EC, FA Cup winners in the CWC, 2nd, 3rd and maybe League Cup winners in the UEFA Cup No seedings, straight knock out. I'm sure some on here will remember Forest drawing Liverpool in the 1st round of the European Cup back in the day. Imagine Barca playing Real in round one now..... Totally agree, I would go back to the "old" format in a heartbeat but, we all know why it won't happen. I suspect that there will be a "European Super League" sooner rather than later. The CL came about because the G14 clubs wanted it to happen, and they wanted it for one reason - money. It is interesting that the President of Barca is making these comments given the sub plot of rumours that they will have to sell one of their big names for financial reasons and that he see's the EPL as a huge threat due to the new TV deal.Both Barca and Real will not be able to match the money the top EPL clubs will be able to offer and they will become dependent on players wanting to play for them because of who they are. In the future I can see top South American players going to Spain early in their career and then coming to England in their mid to late 20's for the huge payday unless a Super League does come to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: Totally agree, I would go back to the "old" format in a heartbeat but, we all know why it won't happen. I suspect that there will be a "European Super League" sooner rather than later. The CL came about because the G14 clubs wanted it to happen, and they wanted it for one reason - money. It is interesting that the President of Barca is making these comments given the sub plot of rumours that they will have to sell one of their big names for financial reasons and that he see's the EPL as a huge threat due to the new TV deal.Both Barca and Real will not be able to match the money the top EPL clubs will be able to offer and they will become dependent on players wanting to play for them because of who they are. In the future I can see top South American players going to Spain early in their career and then coming to England in their mid to late 20's for the huge payday unless a Super League does come to pass. And it was Rumienigge (sp) only last week saying something similar. Everyone is running scared of the PL clubs, and possibly, rightly so. We are awash with money again, £99m to finish bottom, obscene. You could lose all 38 games and still make money that would set your club up for a generation. Of course, if we were in it then we wouldn't be knocking it, but that, coupled with parachute payments, the 'dream' seems as far off as it's ever been I bet even the nouveau rich, like R*vers, must wonder how their billionaire owner is going to break them in to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Woodsy said: There is a job at FIFA waiting for you, Taz UCL and Europa League is a mockery. Good old days, Champs in the EC, FA Cup winners in the CWC, 2nd, 3rd and maybe League Cup winners in the UEFA Cup No seedings, straight knock out. I'm sure some on here will remember Forest drawing Liverpool in the 1st round of the European Cup back in the day. Imagine Barca playing Real in round one now..... I'm not seedy or slimy enough. I will however take that spare cash off of your hands though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just give them the trophy every year and be done with it . What makes our change of fortunes so enjoy able this season is just because we have suffered so much since the off . How boring must it be to be à supporter of Real Madrid or Barcelona ? The only equal contest is their matches against each other and from time to time a team that's having a stellar season and from whom you are going to buy their top players the following transfer window . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, Taz said: I'm not seedy or slimy enough. I will however take that spare cash off of your hands though Meet me in the Bar & Grill at 7 tonight, brown envelope, special handshake - all sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semblar Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 4 hours ago, phantom said: May as well give them a free pass through the group stages as well Surely they need to be in the final with a 6 goal head start and a 99% cut of all the takings and TV revenue from all the rounds beforehand (which are played to see who is worthy to share the pitch with them)...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbital Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 3 hours ago, 29AR said: I find Barcelona the most arrogant club of the lot. I really do dislike them. If you have a moment, research Real Madrid's links with fascism and the corrupt financial dealings they have with the goverment. Most of Spain is united in their hatred of Real. As an example, I watched Rayo Vallecano play Athletic Bilbao while living in Madrid and Bilbao brought down at least 5000 (a massive amount in Spanish away travel). A tense atmosphere could have ensued, but no, the Rayistas welcomed the Bilbao fans into their bars and they all then held a massive joint march down the main road by the ground, chanting anti Madrid and anti fascist songs while drinking cans and letting off flares. Quite a spectacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 20 minutes ago, Orbital said: If you have a moment, research Real Madrid's links with fascism and the corrupt financial dealings they have with the goverment. Most of Spain is united in their hatred of Real. As an example, I watched Rayo Vallecano play Athletic Bilbao while living in Madrid and Bilbao brought down at least 5000 (a massive amount in Spanish away travel). A tense atmosphere could have ensued, but no, the Rayistas welcomed the Bilbao fans into their bars and they all then held a massive joint march down the main road by the ground, chanting anti Madrid and anti fascist songs while drinking cans and letting off flares. Quite a spectacle. I am aware of Real's historical links with Franco and that, like most clubs, they still have an unsavoury element to their supporter base and also about how they are effectively state funded with their dodgy deals with Council's over sales of assets etc. I don't like Real either, but Barcelona are just nauseating. So pious and oh so 'perfect'. I couldn't take watching Arsenal v Barca... bleurgh. That would just be such a media love affair. Thankfully it's not a choice I would make to avoid it, , there's the matter of Brighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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