BRISTOL86 Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 When did the rot set in?! I recall a time when penalties were basically free goals. Yes of course some inevitably got missed, as nothing is foolproof, but Jesus...when did they get so bad? It seems that these days in most shootouts about half the pens get missed. Everyone trying to ponce about taking stupid 'cheeky' pens...no run up, side foot, chipping it, passing it in, whatever....just take a gert big run up to it and bloody well put your laces through it! Aim for a corner and if it's well placed and powerful then chances are it's going in even if the keeper guesses right. Bunch of penises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 I've never understood why sometimes players just whack it down the middle - such a risk that it will be saved. Surely professional footballers should be capable of aiming for a spot where it is difficult for the keeper to reach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 I remember reading a few years ago that from open play, penalty success rate is about 85%, but in a shoot out about 60% (I can't remember the exact stats). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 53 minutes ago, Offside said: I've never understood why sometimes players just whack it down the middle - such a risk that it will be saved. Surely professional footballers should be capable of aiming for a spot where it is difficult for the keeper to reach? I think there something called pressure or nerves. And there's a goalie too! Out of interest has anyone ever seen a penalty retaken in a shootout for encroaching by the goalie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Offside said: I've never understood why sometimes players just whack it down the middle - such a risk that it will be saved. Surely professional footballers should be capable of aiming for a spot where it is difficult for the keeper to reach? I have no actual figures but I'd guess 80% of keepers move as or before the ball is kicked, so as long as it's top half of the goal there would be no keeper there ! I agree about pace, that and hit it wide of the keeper. Shearer and Le Tis were great at this. Gerry Sweeney was un savable two steps top corner. Well until he missed one and his confidence went and that was that, oh Walshy was a good 'un too . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 Mickey Bell didn`t miss many IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Offside said: I've never understood why sometimes players just whack it down the middle - such a risk that it will be saved. Surely professional footballers should be capable of aiming for a spot where it is difficult for the keeper to reach? There's not really much of a risk, how many times have you saw a keeper not dive? The only time it won't work is if, like Lee Tomlin v Charlton, you've done it too many times previously and the keeper has done his homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeeebles Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 Already had this argument a couple of times today, I cannot understand why professional footballers don't practice penalties on a daily basis. The whole argument about not being able to recreate the pressure so there's no point seems unprofessional to me. Part of professional sport is practising/training both physically and mentally in order to be able to perform in a pressurised environment, I don't see why penalties are any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Offside said: Surely professional footballers should be capable of aiming for a spot where it is difficult for the keeper to reach? Agard does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 I've had a theory for a while on penalty shoot outs. The manager tells the player where to put the ball. This irradiates the changing your mind problem and imo relieves some of the pressure. As many have said, a professional footballer should be able to put a ball into a certain area from 12 yards. Then a few weeks ago I heard Danny Murphy telling a story of how Dario Grady did this exact thing at Crewe. Basically said, " put it there and if you miss, it's my fault". Great bit of management that, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Nine Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: I think there something called pressure or nerves. And there's a goalie too! Out of interest has anyone ever seen a penalty retaken in a shootout for encroaching by the goalie? England V Portugal 2006 World Cup, carragher came on in extra time as a specialist pen taker, missed both attempts I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben4BCFC Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 3 hours ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: I remember reading a few years ago that from open play, penalty success rate is about 85%, but in a shoot out about 60% (I can't remember the exact stats). Understandable to an extent. 80% is one in 5 missed, but these five are likely to be taken by the same guy, and the best penalty taker at the club. 60% suggests a 4-2 average scoreline in a penalty shootout, which works out as usually two or three of the later takers (midfielders or defenders) missing. Having said that, penalties these days wind me up so much. Surely top strikers, attacking midfielders and leaders should be stepping up and taking command. Today, the first four penalties were taken by Emre Can and Lucas (Liverpool) and Fernandinho and Jesus Navas (Man City) - none of which would have been first choice in 90 minutes. The message from managers should be simple and shouldn't differ from Sunday league football. Best takers, in order, 1-5, step up, pick a corner, and hit the bloody thing. If the keeper guesses right, and saves it, well fair play to him. City have missed enough this season as well. Is it really that difficult to hit the target from 12 yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 8 hours ago, Red_Nine said: England V Portugal 2006 World Cup, carragher came on in extra time as a specialist pen taker, missed both attempts I believe I believe the re-take was down to the fact that Carragher didn't wait for the ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Always remember Gordon Owen stepping up at Wembley 87, sure not one City fan thought he would score, although the groans when he walked up probably didn't help him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 15 hours ago, Offside said: I've never understood why sometimes players just whack it down the middle - such a risk that it will be saved. Surely professional footballers should be capable of aiming for a spot where it is difficult for the keeper to reach? I recall that statistically the best place to aim is straight down the middle, since the keeper will likely go one way or the other. The downside is that when the keeper doesn't move, the taker then looks like a total weapon for not putting it into the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 5 hours ago, One Team In Keynsham said: I recall that statistically the best place to aim is straight down the middle, since the keeper will likely go one way or the other. The downside is that when the keeper doesn't move, the taker then looks like a total weapon for not putting it into the corner. Interesting. Presumably then, if the penalty taker aims for the top half of the goal it would further increase the chances of the ball going in because it would be further away from the diving keeper (and less likely to be saved by his legs if he has dived the wrong way). Or more likely to hit the bar if you are Pack or Agard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 All the penalty taker has to do is the 'Dan Biggar' Tourettes dance and the keeper will lose the will to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 17 hours ago, One Team In Keynsham said: I recall that statistically the best place to aim is straight down the middle, since the keeper will likely go one way or the other. The downside is that when the keeper doesn't move, the taker then looks like a total weapon for not putting it into the corner. I don't have the numbers to hand but I used to have the statistics on scoring chances depending on which person out of the first 5 (in a penalty shootout) you were, left footed or right footed, whether you came on as a sub or had played the whole game, and age bracket of the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin25 Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 8 hours ago, City169 said: I don't have the numbers to hand but I used to have the statistics on scoring chances depending on which person out of the first 5 (in a penalty shootout) you were, left footed or right footed, whether you came on as a sub or had played the whole game, and age bracket of the player. Mate. where will your stat data come from? It's good to apply statistics in your decision but I want to know where would these data come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 24 minutes ago, martin25 said: Mate. where will your stat data come from? It's good to apply statistics in your decision but I want to know where would these data come from. It was taken from a book of football stats, should have clarified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 10 hours ago, City169 said: I don't have the numbers to hand but I used to have the statistics on scoring chances depending on which person out of the first 5 (in a penalty shootout) you were, left footed or right footed, whether you came on as a sub or had played the whole game, and age bracket of the player. Found an article from a few years back:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/euro-2012/9361604/The-science-of-penalty-shoot-outs-where-and-how-spot-kicks-are-scored-at-major-tournaments.html Of note is this paragraph: " Well over half of those penalties missed were aimed at the top third of the goal. Almost a quarter of those missed were aimed bottom left, a function of this being the most popular target. Unsurprisingly those who send the ball low and straight down the middle never miss. With only 3.6 per cent of saves being made in the middle of the goal perhaps Pirlo and Ramos saw these numbers before this week. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin25 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 On 3/1/2016 at 21:59, City169 said: It was taken from a book of football stats, should have clarified Thanks mate! Well, I appreciate how you interpret and weigh things using statistical data from book as your basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagy Mahal Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I had you up until here On 28/02/2016 at 19:39, BRISTOL86 said: Bunch of penises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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