JM91 Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Was thinking about this the other day with Rovers potentially on the brink of automatic promotion, despite only finishing third, does anyone on here know why there are four promotion spots in league two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Because there are 4 relegation spots in League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Because there's 4 relegation places in league one! I can guess your next question.. Edit: dammit, beaten to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Does some of it stem back to when there were 22, 22, 24 & 24 teams in the top four tiers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 It's because L1 demotes 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Must have something to do with whatever benefits the Premier League. Not sure what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 We were certainly glad there was 4 promotion places in the same division ( 4th division ) in 1984 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Could it be something to do with the original regional leagues? Was it regional leagues then the 3rd division originally? Bit before my time all that so just a complete guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 6 hours ago, cider-manc said: Could it be something to do with the original regional leagues? Was it regional leagues then the 3rd division originally? Bit before my time all that so just a complete guess! First Division, Second Division, Third Division North, Third Division South. I think it was from these two regionals that the numbers first came from, ie two from each that the 4 promotion spots came from; the two lower divisions are or were inextricably linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 I have always assumed that it was about creating interest at the end of the league that generates the lowest income. With the play off positionsgoing down to seventh and two relegation spots, there is hardly such a thing as mid table obscurity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 7 hours ago, cider-manc said: Could it be something to do with the original regional leagues? Was it regional leagues then the 3rd division originally? Bit before my time all that so just a complete guess! Back in the old days it was automatic 2 up and 2 down from all divisions with the exception of the old 4th Division (League 2 now) where the bottom club had to get re elected to stay in the Division. No such thing as play offs back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, BigTone said: Back in the old days it was automatic 2 up and 2 down from all divisions with the exception of the old 4th Division (League 2 now) where the bottom club had to get re elected to stay in the Division. No such thing as play offs back then. I thought it was only one up from each of the third divisions in the 50s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I thought it was only one up from each of the third divisions in the 50s? Possibly but that was before my time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 1 minute ago, BigTone said: Possibly but that was before my time Mine too Tone, but there are a few old farts on here that will remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Port Said Red said: Mine too Tone, but there are a few old farts on here that will remember No doubt about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Hmm, ....four spots? Could be acne, heat-rash, chicken pox or measles... Itching to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lita For Congo Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Its from when the league setup was Div 1, Div 2, Div 3 North/South. Div 3 North/South had 2 promotion spots. They were kept when Div 4 was created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 2 hours ago, havanatopia said: First Division, Second Division, Third Division North, Third Division South. I think it was from these two regionals that the numbers first came from, ie two from each that the 4 promotion spots came from; the two lower divisions are or were inextricably linked. Exactly that. In 1960 when the regionalised 3rd North and South were turned into national leagues 3 & 4, there wasn't any automatic relegation from Four. It was either one or two bottom clubs for re-election, and it was therefore considered that to have four promotion would make it more interesting for longer in the season. It was thought that otherwise, Four would become a backwater from which some clubs never escaped. The changes also allowed more teams up and down from leagues two and three. Previously, Third North & South only had one promotion spot from each to Div Two. It was difficult before that for clubs to go up with only one promotion, City spending from 1932 until 1955 in Div 3South. Later in Div 4 came automatic relegation to Conference for the bottom team. Changed much more recently to two down. The amazing fact is that we still have three down and up to Premier. When the great and greedy League was formed in 1992, they wanted only two down. Football League resisted and this it remains three down/up. The next big change will probably be when the Championship becomes Prem 2 with only 20 clubs. Then relegation from Prem 2 might become one only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Port Said Red said: Mine too Tone, but there are a few old farts on here that will remember Cheeky youngster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Port Said Red said: I have always assumed that it was about creating interest at the end of the league that generates the lowest income. With the play off positionsgoing down to seventh and two relegation spots, there is hardly such a thing as mid table obscurity. Well it didn't work on the weekend with a local team not selling out when 3rd place is very much on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 1 hour ago, cidered abroad said: Cheeky youngster! Thanks for that, I don't get called "youngster" much these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockneydave Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 1 hour ago, cidered abroad said: Exactly that. In 1960 when the regionalised 3rd North and South were turned into national leagues 3 & 4, there wasn't any automatic relegation from Four. It was either one or two bottom clubs for re-election, and it was therefore considered that to have four promotion would make it more interesting for longer in the season. It was thought that otherwise, Four would become a backwater from which some clubs never escaped. The changes also allowed more teams up and down from leagues two and three. Previously, Third North & South only had one promotion spot from each to Div Two. It was difficult before that for clubs to go up with only one promotion, City spending from 1932 until 1955 in Div 3South. Later in Div 4 came automatic relegation to Conference for the bottom team. Changed much more recently to two down. The amazing fact is that we still have three down and up to Premier. When the great and greedy League was formed in 1992, they wanted only two down. Football League resisted and this it remains three down/up. The next big change will probably be when the Championship becomes Prem 2 with only 20 clubs. Then relegation from Prem 2 might become one only? Only if SKY says so!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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