t_b Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Seems we have listed a load of academy jobs online as if they were match day staff; http://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/about/careers/ Am I the only one to think 35-40k pa is a little low for a professional 2nd tier U21 (or "reserves") team manager? And head of coaching? Unless my understanding of what back room staff get paid; it doesn't seem like it will attract high calibrate candidate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Even the back office or sales stuff is a poor salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 hour ago, tommy_b said: Seems we have listed a load of academy jobs online as if they were match day staff; http://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/about/careers/ Am I the only one to think 35-40k pa is a little low for a professional 2nd tier U21 (or "reserves") team manager? And head of coaching? Unless my understanding of what back room staff get paid; it doesn't seem like it will attract high calibrate candidate! Interesting that you believe it's a lower salary for the job. I don't know and wouldn't guess how much coaches get paid but as a salary itself is quite a good one. Will be interesting to see who we bring in and whether we can spot a trend given they have had a clear out of academy staff. Hope it's a decision which works for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_b Posted June 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 51 minutes ago, CheddarReds said: Interesting that you believe it's a lower salary for the job. I don't know and wouldn't guess how much coaches get paid but as a salary itself is quite a good one. I am comparing the salary to the profession. I don't believe the catering staff should get "footballer" wages because they are associated with 'the game' but would've assumed someone heavily influencing the playing squad wouldn't be so low. If Tomlin is aiming for 10k a week then for one Tomlin we'd be paying for all the coaching staff we've now advertised for. I know managers often get paid less than players but it just seems a 'low' wage when you could end up managing someone (and I appreciate the first team rarely feature for the U21s but for the head of coaching position, for instance) who earns 10x what this guy is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 23 minutes ago, tommy_b said: I am comparing the salary to the profession. I don't believe the catering staff should get "footballer" wages because they are associated with 'the game' but would've assumed someone heavily influencing the playing squad wouldn't be so low. If Tomlin is aiming for 10k a week then for one Tomlin we'd be paying for all the coaching staff we've now advertised for. I know managers often get paid less than players but it just seems a 'low' wage when you could end up managing someone (and I appreciate the first team rarely feature for the U21s but for the head of coaching position, for instance) who earns 10x what this guy is on. 92 clubs, 11 first team players per year, numerous falling out of the game and only 92 academy roles (probably far fewer) jobs available. Demand for the role monster high, ergo the salary isn't going to be anything more than average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 New Business Sales Executive job seems under paid as well or else I'd apply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Jesus Christ. Some truly awful wages being offered out there. Which ex pro (presumably they want one?) in their right mind is going to take the u21 manager post for £700-800 a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 30 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Jesus Christ. Some truly awful wages being offered out there. Which ex pro (presumably they want one?) in their right mind is going to take the u21 manager post for £700-800 a week. Add in the fact that they could be sacked any minute, due to City's endless reorganisations, and it looks even worse. I imagine the only applicants will be ex pros who have just finished playing, and have their coaching badges, but no real full time coaching experience. They might use this as a way of getting into the game as a coach, so that they could move onto a better paid job ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 I didn't apply for the Bristol Sport head of finance role recently as the salary was not in line with what was expected of the job; about £30k short. I get the impression that there's a real inner circle going on with telephone number salaries for anybody who can pretend that they're vital and low wages for everybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 48 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: I get the impression that there's a real inner circle going on with telephone number salaries for anybody who can pretend that they're vital and low wages for everybody else. Just like most businesses then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Football clubs have always been notorious for low wages to non playing staff. Only the First team manager and his assistant get anywhere near what the top players are paid. After all, without the players, the club would not exist; but could in theory carry on playing without a lot of the staff. Cruel but realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Let's be fair. 35-40k is hardly a poor salary in the grand scheme of things. From football manager a few years ago I was paying staff around 500-1000 a week which is around this figure. FM is pretty accurate in terms of the general range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent Pepper Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Strange they are looking for applications for U21 manager. What happened to Tommy Wright? Unless he is coming in as Asst manager??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B_arnes Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 On 14 June 2016 at 19:44, tommy_b said: Seems we have listed a load of academy jobs online as if they were match day staff; http://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/about/careers/ Am I the only one to think 35-40k pa is a little low for a professional 2nd tier U21 (or "reserves") team manager? And head of coaching? Unless my understanding of what back room staff get paid; it doesn't seem like it will attract high calibrate candidate! That is a worryingly long list of posts to recruit before the season starts! Does anyone at Bristol sport know anything about the salary structure in football? It's like they have just plucked numbers from thin air?! No wonder Tommy Wright declined the Under 21's manager role, that salary will be way off what he is on now. Will be really interesting to see who they fill a number of these roles with. I worry about this club and who makes the decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, Mike B_arnes said: That is a worryingly long list of posts to recruit before the season starts! Does anyone at Bristol sport know anything about the salary structure in football? It's like they have just plucked numbers from thin air?! No wonder Tommy Wright declined the Under 21's manager role, that salary will be way off what he is on now. Will be really interesting to see who they fill a number of these roles with. I worry about this club and who makes the decisions What is he on at the moment and what is the going rate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky monkey Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 That wage Is terrible, I know plumbers on 100k per year so I can totally understand Tommy Wright turning down the role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 On 15 June 2016 at 08:41, downendcity said: Just like most businesses then? I pay my people the going rate but often break the pay structure for exceptional candidates as you just don't see the difference in the pay amounts in the long term as their value and return outweighs it...I see it as an investment. I hope that the club do the same. Cant really comment in depth on these advertised salaries with any real knowledge of the facts however they do appear on the surface a bottom end of any pay structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Watford pay 48k for u18 coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B_arnes Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 On 17 June 2016 at 23:31, Bristol Rob said: What is he on at the moment and what is the going rate? On 17 June 2016 at 23:31, Bristol Rob said: What is he on at the moment and what is the going rate? I'm half speculating that Wright will be on nearer £80k and having looked at advertised academy jobs elsewhere I would say the under 21's wage should be around £60k. They will fill the roles no problem but unsure of the calibre of applicant. Saying that I would imagine jobs at this level are like gold dust so they will have plenty of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Has Tommy Wright definitely turned us down then? I missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 another way to look at it is city are recruiting more staff to try and go for a cat 1 academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks' Barmy Army Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 It is actually a refreshing change to see our club advertising these roles It is actually quite amusing how many relations of employees now work at the club in roles that didn't get openly advertised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I agree with those that say it's good to see these roles publicly advertised. I also agree with those that think that the salary offered is poor. As a fan, it's upsetting to hear all this rhetoric about how our academy will be the future and will drive us towards top-flight football, only to see that the club is penny-pinching on the staff they wish to bring in. If £40k is a realistic and competitive salary for a U21 Manager (which I doubt) then why not pay £80k and get the best possible candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 38 minutes ago, EnderMB said: I agree with those that say it's good to see these roles publicly advertised. I also agree with those that think that the salary offered is poor. As a fan, it's upsetting to hear all this rhetoric about how our academy will be the future and will drive us towards top-flight football, only to see that the club is penny-pinching on the staff they wish to bring in. If £40k is a realistic and competitive salary for a U21 Manager (which I doubt) then why not pay £80k and get the best possible candidate? we don't know if the salary is poor in regards to other clubs tho' It can't be that poor as we keep filling the posts, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, Monkeh said: we don't know if the salary is poor in regards to other clubs tho' It can't be that poor as we keep filling the posts, All I've got to go from is this. https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/advice/planning/jobprofiles/Pages/footballcoach.aspx This lists a league coach at around £25k to £250k+, depending on the level of the club. At Championship level, you'd imagine that they'd at least be looking at around £80-100k for a club with a category 2 academy. You'd imagine that the U21 Manager would be on more than that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 8 minutes ago, EnderMB said: All I've got to go from is this. https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/advice/planning/jobprofiles/Pages/footballcoach.aspx This lists a league coach at around £25k to £250k+, depending on the level of the club. At Championship level, you'd imagine that they'd at least be looking at around £80-100k for a club with a category 2 academy. You'd imagine that the U21 Manager would be on more than that too. nah I would of thought championship would be 40 -80k to be honest, there isn't enough money floating around to pay all your coaching staff a top wedge, but its speculation, I mean I wouldn't want my under 21's manager on more then 1k a week max not unless he was a top coach with a proven track record, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Don't know why we don't just ask Benny back for this role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B_arnes Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Drum roll please.............former Robins player Jamie McAllister will be announced as the new Under 21's manager. I'm guessing that the advertised salary didn't attract the calibre of coach that LJ was hoping for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, Mike B_arnes said: Drum roll please.............former Robins player Jamie McAllister will be announced as the new Under 21's manager. I'm guessing that the advertised salary didn't attract the calibre of coach that LJ was hoping for? Didn't see that coming. Good appointment though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 12 minutes ago, Mike B_arnes said: Drum roll please.............former Robins player Jamie McAllister will be announced as the new Under 21's manager. I'm guessing that the advertised salary didn't attract the calibre of coach that LJ was hoping for? Is ittttttt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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