CheddarReds Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Hi all, was on the BBC Sport page and came across this : http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37293275 I'd be interested your thoughts on it? We might not necessarily be ready to win it by then, fair enough. But if we make it to any major tournament surely we should be aiming to win it (not expecting, but aiming)? To me, by softening expectations it makes it seem all rosey to the players if we don't perform to our best, like a let off. Have I misunderstood something or am I just over reacting and being silly to what is actually reasonable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Might as well have a target that Kyle Walker will win Mastermind by 2020. Wonder what his specialist subject would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 If Portugal can win a tournament in the fashion they did this summer there is no reason for England not to aim to win competitions, is it expected of them? No, however it shouldn't mean it isn't the end aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 37 minutes ago, hodge said: If Portugal can win a tournament in the fashion they did this summer there is no reason for England not to aim to win competitions, is it expected of them? No, however it shouldn't mean it isn't the end aim. Which is what they're trying to change their objective to, from reading that. Good news too, the players freeze up enough without needless demands from the FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 If the FA wanted to win a tournament then they need to stop the prem too many vested intrest and too much money in the game for England to ever win a international tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizzlelou Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 6 hours ago, Robin1988 said: Which is what they're trying to change their objective to, from reading that. Good news too, the players freeze up enough without needless demands from the FA. It's a sad state when the country has to lower their expectations of the national team (who should really be doing better than recent years) just to prevent added pressure on the players who are, incidentally, payed handsomely. But...it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 46 minutes ago, brizzlelou said: It's a sad state when the country has to lower their expectations of the national team (who should really be doing better than recent years) just to prevent added pressure on the players who are, incidentally, payed handsomely. But...it's true. Maybe, but contrary to popular belief paying someone more money does not automatically harden them to pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 4 hours ago, Robin1988 said: Maybe, but contrary to popular belief paying someone more money does not automatically harden them to pressure. Sounds like advice from Keith Vaz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 5 hours ago, Monkeh said: If the FA wanted to win a tournament then they need to stop the prem too many vested intrest and too much money in the game for England to ever win a international tournament What do you mean by 'stop the prem'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 These seem to be pointless targets anyway. Set the expectation too high and the players are scarred when the team fails. Set them too low and everyone complains. The country is stirred up by things like this, which in turn feeds the press, to expect the team to win. The constant use of phrases like 'England expects' does not help in the slightest. We may as well face it, England haven't had a successful team in the last 50 years, I've never known one. I've seen failure after failure, so that I now wonder when it's going to happen, rather than if. it seems to me that the FA targets should be: 1. Instill pride in playing for your country 2. Have players work as a team, rather than a group of big time Charlies 3. Ban headphones to help team communication 4. Have the team do as well as they are able, rather than set unrealistic targets. I know it's unpopular, but we aren't that good. We don't play as a team, even when we have a set of good players. We need to resolve this before we can set targets of where we are going to finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Coxy27 said: What do you mean by 'stop the prem'? We have the FA, The Prem and the Football League, 3 different governing with vested interest and different agenda, why do we need 3?, The prem is all about money, they don't give a shit about play development, fans, or anyone else, hence them wanting a closed shop, its no coincidence that as the prem league got stronger the national team got weaker, 10 -15 years time we will be picking players from the championship and league one for the national team if it continues its trend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 To me it's not so much about lowering expectations but getting an underdog mentality about the team. At the moment we go into games looking like a struggling Premier League team away to the League One leaders in a tricky cup tie and it does us no favours. If we can go in quietly confident and desperate to prove ourselves, it'd do us a lot of favours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 34 minutes ago, Monkeh said: We have the FA, The Prem and the Football League, 3 different governing with vested interest and different agenda, why do we need 3?, The prem is all about money, they don't give a shit about play development, fans, or anyone else, hence them wanting a closed shop, its no coincidence that as the prem league got stronger the national team got weaker, 10 -15 years time we will be picking players from the championship and league one for the national team if it continues its trend I see... It would be interesting to see the effect of introducing some form of quota for home nations players. I imagine there would be some reluctance from commercial avenues though if this was even attempted to push through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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