Slippin cider Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Never ceases to make the old nerves jangle when he plays balls out to the back four with the opposition in very close proximity...also comes way off his line ..almost to the half way line sometimes...stay between the sticks old son . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 His distribution is shocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 He takes an absolute age with his distribution. Winds me up how long he takes with his goal kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Love Frankie. Good old fashion keeper. He gives me the willies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: He takes an absolute age with his distribution. Winds me up how long he takes with his goal kicks. Yeah - I thought a major difference between us and QPR is Smithies in the QPR goal (who I really do rate as a 'keeper) got the ball and quickly started attacks where as Fielding really slows the game down. I don't know how Johnson sees the keeper's role in the team but I do feel we ultimately need ot get a keeper who maintains the tempo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 He's come in and looked very good. Much better than O'Donnell. Clean sheet yesterday and all this thread is is negative. Embarrassing sometimes. Before Cardiff game there were fans saying he should be dropped despite us winning four in a row and Fielding not being at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: Yeah - I thought a major difference between us and QPR is Smithies in the QPR goal (who I really do rate as a 'keeper) got the ball and quickly started attacks where as Fielding really slows the game down. I don't know how Johnson sees the keeper's role in the team but I do feel we ultimately need ot get a keeper who maintains the tempo. Ever considered he has been told to do that? Very much doubt he refuses to follow instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 minute ago, RedDave said: Ever considered he has been told to do that? Very much doubt he refuses to follow instructions. I've considered it. As I say, I don't know how Johnson sees his role in the team. It might be he's following instructions or it might be it's an area where he's simply not confident distributing the ball quickly. It might even be that LJ accepts his strengths and weaknesses and feels that pressing him to do something that doesn't come naturally to him will just increase the possibility of mistakes so works with what he has. My view is we'd be better with a keeper who distributes quickly. Johnson might disagree on that, or might not think it's important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I've considered it. As I say, I don't know how Johnson sees his role in the team. It might be he's following instructions or it might be it's an area where he's simply not confident distributing the ball quickly. It might even be that LJ accepts his strengths and weaknesses and feels that pressing him to do something that doesn't come naturally to him will just increase the possibility of mistakes so works with what he has. My view is we'd be better with a keeper who distributes quickly. Johnson might disagree on that, or might not think it's important. Just tell the current one to do it then. We need another striker and a winger before we start looking at positions that are good enough now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 3 clean sheets in 7 since he came in, and MOTM performance against Derby. Fieldings been good. Get off his back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I just think we have two very good decent keepers in Fielding and O'Donnell, and if they were perfect they would be playing in the Premiership. For the first time in years either can play and it doesn't worry me that much at all. With Lucic in the wings as well, I think we're ok for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, RedDave said: Just tell the current one to do it then. We need another striker and a winger before we start looking at positions that are good enough now I agree with you but am also a bit perplexed by your response. I said that we ultimately need to get a keeper who maintains the tempo, not that it was the immediate priority. I agree we need a striker and either a winger or a forward player who can play down the flanks or centre before we get a new keeper and I would definitely pick Fielding at the moment as he's the best keeper we have, or at least the one in the best form. I'm not entirely clear why you think someone expressing a view on a keeper's strengths or weaknesses is a call for them to be dropped or immediately replaced. Fielding is fine for now. I just don't happen to think he is the long-term solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: 3 clean sheets in 7 since he came in, and MOTM performance against Derby. Fieldings been good. Get off his back. Obviously cant knock him for this but he literally had bugger all to do yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Selred said: Obviously cant knock him for this but he literally had bugger all to do yesterday. When he needed to he put Marshalls shot over the bar & isn't making any mistakes though. Not sure why people are so keen to criticise him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Binalong Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I think ROD looks more like a goalkeeper than FF. Otherwise not a lot to choose between them. Don't buy another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Charliesboots said: His distribution is shocking We don't have to worry about Pep coming in for him then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 2 hours ago, RedDave said: Clean sheet yesterday and all this thread is is negative. FFS it's OTIB ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robin in Qatar Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 best keeper we have had for years. Any better keepers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Thought he had a decent game we all know his distribution is hopeless but thought he did everything else well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, Robin in Sri Lanka said: best keeper we have had for years. Any better keepers? Heaton by a mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Can't say I've noticed that he slows the play down. He's calmer with a back-pass than ROD, because he has a better first touch. Maybe that's my view, calmer, whereas others see that as slowing it down. Fine with that. Brave decision to swap them v Derby, and when Flint sold him short, you might've expected it to affect him, but he had a stormer. Goalkeeping is a funny business. If Lucic emerges this season I fully expect one of them to go next summer, but not before. Both Frankie and ROD are approaching their prime, reasons to be grateful we've got two decent ones. Neither are bombscares imho, but they aren't top drawer either. But we e got other areas to strengthen first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, cynic said: Frank is a decent bloke who you cannot fail to like. He's obviously a very good goal keeper as well - he must be or he wouldn't be playing at this level. But his decision making (like punching the ball yesterday when it was easier to catch it, or rolling the ball to a player who had two opponents in very close proximity) is suspect and doesn't match his overall goal keeping. His distribution is abysmal (the worst I've seen from a City goal keeper) and his persistence in kicking long at every opportunity straight to the opposition is lower league stuff. Sorry, its unpopular, but although I love the bloke, he's not as safe as ROD imo. I always see this comment about his distribution being awful, and yes it's not been great this season (40%) but last season his distribution was actually better than O'Donnells and they played the same amount of games. So to say it's the worst you've ever seen is surprising, especially when you've probably watched Basso play. Here's one for you all as well, Kasper Schmeichels distribution accuracy last season was also only 40% so although it would be nice to have a keeper with high pass completion, most keepers will sit around the 40-50% mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 minute ago, cynic said: I base it on what I see and make my own mind up. Some stats are useful, but when I see a bloke lumping the ball out of play or straight to the opposition when he could roll the ball out to maintain possession, it says to me that the stats have no eyes - just figures. I believe FF is under instruction to go long and play the percentages hoping we win the first or second ball, if Johnson had a problem with the way Fielding was playing it long, I expect we'd see a midfielder dropping in to pick the ball up from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Frank is a liability except for shot stopping. Thought he was terrible Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 40 minutes ago, cynic said: ROD for one. ROD has made more mistakes than Fielding this season so don't know how ROD can be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 28 minutes ago, Loon plage said: Frank is a liability except for shot stopping. Thought he was terrible Saturday. It's a really odd statement to state that a keeper was 'terrible' when he kept a clean sheet and the team won. As far as terrible goes in respect of Saturday if terrible could be suggested then I thought Frank was quite far down that particular list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Part of the problem with him holding the ball too long/being slow to distribute is the lack of outfield players making themselves available quickly. We are so pedestrian at times it's unreal. There is always aspects of play to work on, if we were the perfect side we'd be top of the league with a 100% record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Very strange moment yesterday when it looked like the most basic of routine catches and he decided to punch it back to where the ball had just come from. He doesn't fill me with confidence although that performance against Derby was fantastic. You can't help but panic when a cross comes into the box or he has the ball at his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 11 hours ago, Loon plage said: Frank is a liability except for shot stopping. Thought he was terrible Saturday. I agree he was definitely at fault for the all goals we let in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Frankie is a great character and having him around the squad is very positive. Is he a competent keeper ? Yes . Can we get better than Frankie ? I would say yes again . I agree with those who say he does n't inspire confidence. Since his debut we've seen he is always liable to have a mistake in him and does n't have that air of calm confidence that top keepers have . However , he's the guy in the boss seat and he'll get my full support . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 16 hours ago, cynic said: ROD for one. no where near, Frankie is the better keeper, but I'd be looking to replace him and O'Donnell, both aren't good enough for where we want to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Frankie doesn't command his box,distribution poor and punches far,far too often..he is OK,don't get me wrong,and a character-but we are a work in progress and have priorities-we can get by with the keepers we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 7 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Frankie is a great character and having him around the squad is very positive. Is he a competent keeper ? Yes . Can we get better than Frankie ? I would say yes again . I agree with those who say he does n't inspire confidence. Since his debut we've seen he is always liable to have a mistake in him and does n't have that air of calm confidence that top keepers have . However , he's the guy in the boss seat and he'll get my full support . I agree with you that we could probably get someone better, but he's an average championship keeper at an average championship club. I would definitely say it's a position we need to improve on over the next couple of years though. The point about him being liable to making mistakes, and many others saying they get the jitters with him in goal is a strange one for me. That Bradford game he did let us down, but since then I only really remember two mistakes (Rotherham away where he carried the ball outside the box, and Sheffield Wednesday away first game last season) which isn't bad for a keeper in 3/4 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Decent keeper is the lad very old school . Done what he's asked to do . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Frank looks a bit ungainly with the ball at his feet and regularly finds touch with goal kicks but he's the best shot stopper at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 20 hours ago, cynic said: Frank is a decent bloke who you cannot fail to like. He's obviously a very good goal keeper as well - he must be or he wouldn't be playing at this level. But his decision making (like punching the ball yesterday when it was easier to catch it, or rolling the ball to a player who had two opponents in very close proximity) is suspect and doesn't match his overall goal keeping. His distribution is abysmal (the worst I've seen from a City goal keeper) and his persistence in kicking long at every opportunity straight to the opposition is lower league stuff. Sorry, its unpopular, but although I love the bloke, he's not as safe as ROD imo. His distribution surely can t be worse than James' I have high hopes that Lucic will be the new Cashley, and thus Premiership standard. Sorry, present two are adequate for this division but nothing more Believe within 18 months Lucic first choice with Max on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Sorry but a clean sheet doesn't mean anything. He was a liability. Doesn't come for crosses rubbish kicker and couldn't or wouldn't catch a routine ball. He was fantastic against Derby and is a terrific shot stopper. We do though need a proper goalie who can do the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 2 hours ago, shelts said: Decent keeper is the lad very old school . Done what he's asked to do . old school keepers came out for crosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 9 minutes ago, Loon plage said: old school keepers came out for crosses. Agh ok. Clean sheet and all that. Andy Leaning, now there was a keeper!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Good shot stopper but his distribution is appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I like Frankie. He strikes me as a few apples short of a pie. Actually make that a lot of apples short of a pie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 27 minutes ago, Loon plage said: Sorry but a clean sheet doesn't mean anything. He was a liability. Doesn't come for crosses rubbish kicker and couldn't or wouldn't catch a routine ball. He was fantastic against Derby and is a terrific shot stopper. We do though need a proper goalie who can do the lot. Any suggestions? Is that your overall opinion of him? Can't work out whether you think Saturday was just an off day, or whether Derby was a fluke performance? I think he's decent enough at this level without being top drawer like Bialkowski, Stockdale etc. There were more priority positions to fill over the summer. Dont get me wrong, if a better keeper became available at the right price, wages, age, DNA etc, then we should look in that direction, although there is a good feel that Lucic might emerge as he gets used to English football. Didn't do himself any harm v Fulham. Would be a fantastic coup if so. Both FF and ROD aren't even at their peak age-wise, and both are fairly experienced. There are numerous keepers of similar ages who've played very few first team matches, and happy to sit on the bench, un-tried. We've got two who are pretty much on a par, and I'm fairly happy with that. Our centre backs know that with Frank he stays put most of the time on crosses, so they know to attack it, with Rich, they know he's more likely to come, so clear the way for him. So, different in approaches, but both have done a decent job for us. I don't think 'liability' is fair....bar Flint's dodgy header, he'd have 4 clean sheets in 7, since his return. Has only conceded 5 in those 7 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 8 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Any suggestions? Is that your overall opinion of him? Can't work out whether you think Saturday was just an off day, or whether Derby was a fluke performance? I think he's decent enough at this level without being top drawer like Bialkowski, Stockdale etc. There were more priority positions to fill over the summer. Dont get me wrong, if a better keeper became available at the right price, wages, age, DNA etc, then we should look in that direction, although there is a good feel that Lucic might emerge as he gets used to English football. Didn't do himself any harm v Fulham. Would be a fantastic coup if so. Both FF and ROD aren't even at their peak age-wise, and both are fairly experienced. There are numerous keepers of similar ages who've played very few first team matches, and happy to sit on the bench, un-tried. We've got two who are pretty much on a par, and I'm fairly happy with that. Our centre backs know that with Frank he stays put most of the time on crosses, so they know to attack it, with Rich, they know he's more likely to come, so clear the way for him. So, different in approaches, but both have done a decent job for us. I don't think 'liability' is fair....bar Flint's dodgy header, he'd have 4 clean sheets in 7, since his return. Has only conceded 5 in those 7 too. No suggestions. My overall impression of Frank is that generally he is a brilliant shot stopper is often very poor with the ball at his feet and is permanently a liability when the ball is crossed into our box. You cannot guarantee our centre backs wil always handle crosses. He appears a good lad. I just feel we can do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 5 hours ago, Davefevs said: Any suggestions? Is that your overall opinion of him? Can't work out whether you think Saturday was just an off day, or whether Derby was a fluke performance? I think he's decent enough at this level without being top drawer like Bialkowski, Stockdale etc. There were more priority positions to fill over the summer. Dont get me wrong, if a better keeper became available at the right price, wages, age, DNA etc, then we should look in that direction, although there is a good feel that Lucic might emerge as he gets used to English football. Didn't do himself any harm v Fulham. Would be a fantastic coup if so. Both FF and ROD aren't even at their peak age-wise, and both are fairly experienced. There are numerous keepers of similar ages who've played very few first team matches, and happy to sit on the bench, un-tried. We've got two who are pretty much on a par, and I'm fairly happy with that. Our centre backs know that with Frank he stays put most of the time on crosses, so they know to attack it, with Rich, they know he's more likely to come, so clear the way for him. So, different in approaches, but both have done a decent job for us. I don't think 'liability' is fair....bar Flint's dodgy header, he'd have 4 clean sheets in 7, since his return. Has only conceded 5 in those 7 too. Hell of a shot stopper(I believe one the best in the country) shit in every other department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Still can't believe ROD was Wigans 3rd keeper.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 When ROD arrived he was all the rage. Good to see Frankie back in fashion! For what it's worth I like them both and it doesn't particularly bother me which one plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Frankie's main plus over ROD is that he doesn't panic under pressure whereas ROD does (as seen at Wednesday and the Wolves away game last season). Frankie can't always catch crosses because of his lack of height but his punching's pretty good, in some ways he reminds me of Basso, makes the occasional howler but then can just carry on as if it never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 It really annoys me when people say "hes a good shot stopper"... Hes a professional goalkeeper- that is the primary role of his job and if he wasn't a good shot stopper then they wouldn't be a professional goalkeeper. It's the other elements that set a good goalkeeper apart from the rest. Commanding their box, distribution, organising the defence, how quick they read the game and come off their line etc I think we have two decent goalkeepers at this level. A big plus is that both Frankie and ROD know that even when they are in the first team their spot is under pressure. ROD made a couple of mistakes and he was dropped - Frankie will know that if he makes mistakes he will be back on the bench. Great competition for them both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 6 minutes ago, cider-manc said: It really annoys me when people say "hes a good shot stopper"... Hes a professional goalkeeper- that is the primary role of his job and if he wasn't a good shot stopper then they wouldn't be a professional goalkeeper. It's the other elements that set a good goalkeeper apart from the rest. Commanding their box, distribution, organising the defence, how quick they read the game and come off their line etc I think we have two decent goalkeepers at this level. A big plus is that both Frankie and ROD know that even when they are in the first team their spot is under pressure. ROD made a couple of mistakes and he was dropped - Frankie will know that if he makes mistakes he will be back on the bench. Great competition for them both! Yep, agree. He's far from 'shit' at everything else. There are a lot worse than our two in this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 22 minutes ago, cider-manc said: It really annoys me when people say "hes a good shot stopper"... Hes a professional goalkeeper- that is the primary role of his job and if he wasn't a good shot stopper then they wouldn't be a professional goalkeeper. It's the other elements that set a good goalkeeper apart from the rest. Commanding their box, distribution, organising the defence, how quick they read the game and come off their line etc I think we have two decent goalkeepers at this level. A big plus is that both Frankie and ROD know that even when they are in the first team their spot is under pressure. ROD made a couple of mistakes and he was dropped - Frankie will know that if he makes mistakes he will be back on the bench. Great competition for them both! It's surprising how many keepers aren't though. Mignolet at Liverpool is one, if there's a shot on target it pretty much has a 50/50 chance of going in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 For a top-6 Prem side like Liverpool - Mignolet is the definitive 'bombscare'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 57 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said: It's surprising how many keepers aren't though. Mignolet at Liverpool is one, if there's a shot on target it pretty much has a 50/50 chance of going in! Hmmmm... You may have a point. Mignolet was considered a "great shot stopper" when at Sunderland.... but he does appear to have lost the ability to catch a ball since arriving at Anfield. Hence why he is no longer consider Liverpool's number 1 goalkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 14 minutes ago, cider-manc said: Hmmmm... You may have a point. Mignolet was considered a "great shot stopper" when at Sunderland.... but he does appear to have lost the ability to catch a ball since arriving at Anfield. Hence why he is no longer consider Liverpool's number 1 goalkeeper. I do see what you mean, it should go without saying that professional goalkeepers are good shot stoppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 23 hours ago, Loon plage said: Sorry but a clean sheet doesn't mean anything. He was a liability. Doesn't come for crosses rubbish kicker and couldn't or wouldn't catch a routine ball. He was fantastic against Derby and is a terrific shot stopper. We do though need a proper goalie who can do the lot. ummm a clean sheet means everything for a keeper, his main job is to keep the ball out of the net not to play quick flowing football or put in crunching tackles, he's so much of a liability i mean he only helped win the Johnson paint got us promoted and got the most clean sheets out of the two keepers we have on the books........ truely shocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Don't think ROD done anything last night to force himself back into the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Big C said: Don't think ROD done anything last night to force himself back into the first team. only seen the goals on the tele but the second was really poor defending, the first however he should of been tighter to the near post, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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