GrahamC Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I can't be arsed to dig out my thread entitled Golbourne and Pack from a while ago but what I said in it is becoming beyond a joke now. No way were they our worst 2 outfield players tonight but yet again they were the two who were taken off. **** me, this stuff isn't rocket science, Bryan and Smith were both awful tonight (not for the first time, either) and so should have been the 2 replaced. I can accept playing poorly, I can accept losing but what is not acceptable is the head coach taking off the same 2 players over and over again for what can only be seen as blatant favouritism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap flinger Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Smith shouldn't be anywhere near that side at the minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Yep, agree 100%. It's especially odd for a manager who increasingly looks like he is trying to perm any one from 16 to rediscover our form, yet reverts to script with substitutions. JB was awful (he knew it himself) and Korey has not looked the same player since he's been back. Do we have any combinations left to try or will LJ get hold of this team ASAP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RightUpInCider Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I thought Smith was ok today. But totally agree with a big question mark over Pack coming off. I thought Pack was having a very good game. I feel for Joe Bryan at the moment but he was having little impact on the game and I would have asked Tomlin to play wide left, where he has been effective in the past. Also not impressed with the Engval substitution. We were playing well and more than anything I felt the two changes together disrupted us more than them. Ultimately though, how we never scored is the sad thing. We need to take more chances and soon, else we will be really looking over our shoulders soon. Is that 6 losses now in 7 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 100% agree and Golbourne and Pack must wonder why!!!!! Shocking decision to bring them off and agree on Bryan and Smith as worst players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 To be honest after Saturday I was surprised that either played tonight, I cannot comment on overall performances, but didn't both of them almost give goals away with dreadful back passes, so it could have been worse to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Korey and Bryan were just missing in action, we played with 9 men in effect for the use they were. Why was Pack taken off and not Smith ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rag Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 We were well on top at the time of the substitutions, Pack in my opinion was the pick of our midfield. The team balence was completely shot with these substitutions, consequence we went down with a whimper. What was LJ thinking, Bryan was woeful and had to go. Take a detention LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Pack looked well p1ssed off when his number went up. Thought he was decent and certainly smith shouldve gone before he did. Theres a way to p1ss off your best holding midfielder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry2157. Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Spot on! Which is probably why ayling won't be the last questionable departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 50 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I can't be arsed to dig out my thread entitled Golbourne and Pack from a while ago but what I said in it is becoming beyond a joke now. No way were they our worst 2 outfield players tonight but yet again they were the two who were taken off. **** me, this stuff isn't rocket science, Bryan and Smith were both awful tonight (not for the first time, either) and so should have been the 2 replaced. I can accept playing poorly, I can accept losing but what is not acceptable is the head coach taking off the same 2 players over and over again for what can only be seen as blatant favouritism. Thanks Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Don't understand the Pack substitutions, not just today but quite a few times this season pack has been having a good game only to be taken off. Joe and smith were truly awful tonight and most games recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoc Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Have to agree, but would suggest that having missed 4 or 5 clear cut chances without managing to get one on target, in terms of the outcome Tammy cost us the game tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I understood Goldbourne, Bryan (if playing well) does offer something a bit more going forward which we were trying to do with our substitutions. Pack however shouldn't have been taken off, was playing very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 We were f'ed when the third sub happened. After spending the whole first hour with people exactly where they needed to be, right at the end the same people had the ball but the intended targets were where they wanted the ball to go to, not where the ball had to go to keep posession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I thought Marlon had a poor first 45 distribution-wise, but was back to his usual form in our good spell at start of second half. In the first half, the number of times he gave the ball away, hurrying a pass when no need was countless. He just wanted to get rid of it. Granted second half he was much better. I'm not a Pack critic, before anyone has a go, and he was still better than Smith! And then you have Korey, who had a shocker tonight, got passed around, muscled off the ball etc etc. Definitely not captured form of last season. Is he struggling to play in a 4231? There were times when he just sat 5-10 yards in front of Flint and Magnússon, offering us absolutely nothing when we had the ball. Joe Bryan was pretty non-existent, looked more than a yard off the pace, and I felt sorry for Golbourne having no option in front of him. Seems to have lost all sharpness and confidence, and is showing the inconsistencies of last season. Shame. Seems like we are all pretty much in agreement that our two poorest performers remained on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardy Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I was surprised and disappointed that he took Marlon off, i thought he influenced the game much more than Korey. For sure Marlon makes the odd mistake but he is never afraid of the ball and is a good presence in our midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobArnold10 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I thought Pack was the best player on the pitch and was expecting him to take Reid off like for like. I actually think the change in shape was what cost us, 4-2-3-1 was actually working tonight and we played into Brentford's hands with the diamond which was why it was so laboured to get back in at one down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Thought Freeman was our best player tonight....looked really confident, and made telling, creative contributions. Our right side of him and Matthews looked strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Pack being taken off was a puzzling move. I thought he was playing his best football of the game at the time after a fairly ineffectual first half and looked to be getting stronger as the match went on. Bobby Reid should have been replaced, and I really can't work out why he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I can see why he took Golbourne off as after the subs we were clearly going to be playing narrow in midfield so I can see that to be brave and go for the win (which was surely the plan looking at the subs) you move Bryan to left back as he should have the opportunity to overlap and display the greater attacking threat he has over Golbourne and make space for Freeman playing in front of him. The problem of course being that Bryan was absolutely shocking after switching to full back. The Pack one however is almost impossible to understand. The only guess I've got is that he was worried about us being caught on the counter what with having 2 forwards and 3 attacking midfielders in Freeman, Tomlin and Reid on the pitch and so wanted to keep Smith on as his added athleticism could possibly stop any counter attacks due to those 5 attacking players being caught wrong side of the ball. Now that theory may stand up with a fully fit, functioning and firing Korey Smith. The one we've seen this season though is utterly anonymous in every game and there is no way he should have been staying on instead of Pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnclosureSurge Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Anyone thought of asking him, writing to him? See what he says - reckon he'd be open to answering this, doesn't strike me as someone who'd shy away from it. (I expect an avalanche of comedy replies to this...!!!!!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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