bs3 Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 The decline in our form coincides with the demotion of Pemberton and Dean Holding appointment as assistant head coach. Pemberton was the man last season who turned our season around when LJ arrived he just continued with the same team and tactics that Pembo implement. Start of November we are in the top 6 , Pembo is LJ assistant than for some reason this new coach is brought and it's been a rapid decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 There's no way of knowing what goes on at the training ground, a couple of people have said this and it's a totally moot point - i'm surprised people would make the connection when there's no way of us being able to see Holden's impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Pembo and Holden are both assistant coaches , there's no rank being pulled by one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 34 minutes ago, bs3 said: The decline in our form coincides with the demotion of Pemberton and Dean Holding appointment as assistant head coach. Pemberton was the man last season who turned our season around when LJ arrived he just continued with the same team and tactics that Pembo implement. Start of November we are in the top 6 , Pembo is LJ assistant than for some reason this new coach is brought and it's been a rapid decline. Start of November, we played Brighton, Birmingham and then Reading. Maybe another reason/coincidence? After this, we did beat Ipswich, largely because they are rubbish. Then started losing again at Huddersfield, who are not rubbish. Since then, we have lost our way a bit, failing to pick up any points against three sides close to and below us in the table, which is poor and worrying. The decline in our form coincides with this run of fixtures starting in November, as well as some other things perhaps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizzlelou Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Pembo and Holden are both assistant coaches , there's no rank being pulled by one or the other. I was under the impression they were both assistants aswell. Remember wondering why bother bringing him in if it's doing the same thing as pemberton. Strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, brizzlelou said: I was under the impression they were both assistants aswell. Remember wondering why bother bringing him in if it's doing the same thing as pemberton. Strange. It's not an uncommon arrangement at all. In Europe it's the norm in many cases. English football is pretty dogmatic in many ways and still adheres to traditional concepts that are a bit dated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, brizzlelou said: I was under the impression they were both assistants aswell. Remember wondering why bother bringing him in if it's doing the same thing as pemberton. Strange. Pemberton coaches defence, because he was a defender (fullback). Holden coaches attack because he, er, was a fullback/centre back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizzlelou Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It's not an uncommon arrangement at all. In Europe it's the norm in many cases. English football is pretty dogmatic in many ways and still adheres to traditional concepts that are a bit dated. Oh ok. Wasn't aware of that being done on the continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs3 Posted December 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 28 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: Start of November, we played Brighton, Birmingham and then Reading. Maybe another reason/coincidence? After this, we did beat Ipswich, largely because they are rubbish. Then started losing again at Huddersfield, who are not rubbish. Since then, we have lost our way a bit, failing to pick up any points against three sides close to and below us in the table, which is poor and worrying. The decline in our form coincides with this run of fixtures starting in November, as well as some other things perhaps... We have also played PNE and Brentford at home. All games at this level are going to be tough. The turn around in results and performance have been dramatic, just trying to think of reasons for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, bs3 said: We have also played PNE and Brentford at home. All games at this level are going to be tough. The turn around in results and performance have been dramatic, just trying to think of reasons for this. I don't think there's any concrete conclusions you can draw from the addition of a new member of the coaching team. It's just too tenuous and cannot be proved either way by anyone on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 27 minutes ago, bs3 said: We have also played PNE and Brentford at home. All games at this level are going to be tough. The turn around in results and performance have been dramatic, just trying to think of reasons for this. Perhaps you can start by telling us Dean Holden's role and the changes this has meant for John Pemberton? Who is in the technical area with LJ during matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 55 minutes ago, bs3 said: We have also played PNE and Brentford at home. All games at this level are going to be tough. The turn around in results and performance have been dramatic, just trying to think of reasons for this. What chance have us mere mortals of stumbling across the reasons for this run of form? The people right in the thick of it won't be able to put their finger on it. No doubt SL is scratching his head. And if LJ could, he would've put things right. Unless it is the transfer window that is the answer, that the players assembled in August are not good enough. That being the case, you'd have to wonder what the chances are of the same people putting an inadequate summer transfer window right in January. Give yourself a break, and do something completely unrelated to City and football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 38 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: What chance have us mere mortals of stumbling across the reasons for this run of form? The people right in the thick of it won't be able to put their finger on it. No doubt SL is scratching his head. And if LJ could, he would've put things right. Unless it is the transfer window that is the answer, that the players assembled in August are not good enough. That being the case, you'd have to wonder what the chances are of the same people putting an inadequate summer transfer window right in January. Give yourself a break, and do something completely unrelated to City and football! Support the Gas ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 The only way I can see the hiring of a new coach effecting the form is if they're playing catch up with individual training and the squad is losing focus of the team game. I know LJ wanted to do more individual coaching. I can in no way seeing a rift in personalities. They're all super professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 LJ nose Holden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Who's the goalie coach then? He or she needs to sort out FF and ROD asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 5 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: It's not an uncommon arrangement at all. In Europe it's the norm in many cases. English football is pretty dogmatic in many ways and still adheres to traditional concepts that are a bit dated. Not trying to be pada...perdan....purda....pudant....an arse, but we're not playing European teams, it's the English teams that are beating us week after week. Time to bring back inside forwards and wing halves I say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 11 minutes ago, 42nite said: Not trying to be pada...perdan....purda....pudant....an arse, but we're not playing European teams, it's the English teams that are beating us week after week. Time to bring back inside forwards and wing halves I say! That's true but no reason why ideas from other countries or different thinking from the norm can't be used here. As long as everyone knows exactly what their responsibilities are there's no issue with having more than one assistant head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 30 minutes ago, Septic Peg said: Who's the goalie coach then? He or she needs to sort out FF and ROD asap. David Coles..............although rumour has it he is going to Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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