MigratedRobin Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Please could anyone list this mans amazing managerial achievements! All I can work out is 2 failed promotion bids with Burton including two 7-1 defeats and a stint with Birmingham before getting sacked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JHAGa Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I don't see the appeal either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, MigratedRobin said: Please could anyone list this mans amazing managerial achievements! All I can work out is 2 failed promotion bids with Burton including two 7-1 defeats and a stint with Birmingham before getting sacked! Sacked with them in a play off position!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: Sacked with them in a play off position!!! to be fair, we've been there this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 How about: I can't see Tomlin speaking to Rowett the way he spoke to LJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Pardew for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Wilde Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Rowett is mentioned because he's available. Anyone who can get 1 point from 8 games would be an improvement at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/philosophical-football-gary-rowett-and-rise-lower-league-tacticians Interview with Rowett. Could be LJ's words to be honest. I associate Rowett with quite negative football, his Burton side had the lowest number of goals per game (1.93) in the league whilst he was there. His CV isn't particularly impressive if you were looking for a manager to take us onto the next level. He may do OK, but there must be better options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Alan Dicks said: Pardew for me I know there is an element of anyone but LJ but Pardew?! No thank you! Palarse had the worse record of the 92 league clubs in 2016 under him. Rowett at least has a solid record at this level. Not the most exciting perhaps but all I want right now is Championdhip survival. And he is s good shout for that target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 His names an anagram of: Ragy. T. Tower the players may respond to a change in tact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, MigratedRobin said: Please could anyone list this mans amazing managerial achievements! All I can work out is 2 failed promotion bids with Burton including two 7-1 defeats and a stint with Birmingham before getting sacked! Rowett and LJ's records below (minus today's loss for LJ). Rowett might not have trophies and league wins under his belt, but he has a solid record and experience at this level for a young coach, including a tendency to not lose (**** win % BTW; Rowett's teams lose less the next LJ's, which is valuable). He also has worked with what he's given at Brum, and improved what he had. That counts for something, as he'd likely have to operate with what we have now, we're he to arrive soon. Not saying he's the messiah, but a he's a widely respected young manager who's stock is high, and you can bet your last quid that footballers are receptive to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLear Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, samo II said: Rowett and LJ's records below (minus today's loss for LJ). Rowett might not have trophies and league wins under his belt, but he has a solid record and experience at this level for a young coach, including a tendency to not lose (**** win % BTW; Rowett's teams lose less the next LJ's, which is valuable). He also has worked with what he's given at Brum, and improved what he had. That counts for something, as he'd likely have to operate with what we have now, we're he to arrive soon. Not saying he's the messiah, but a he's a widely respected young manager who's stock is high, and you can bet your last quid that footballers are receptive to that. Wasn't Lee Johnson that before he came here? Sorry but Rowett has achieved next to nothing in his managerial career, yes he was sacked rather prematurely and for no good reason but there's absolutely nothing to suggest he's any better than what we have currently got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 There is always a fashionable manager out of work and Rowett is that man at the moment, it was Pearson last year and we all know how that ended at Derby. We need experience so desperately right now, massive shame Warnock isn't free.. exactly what we need to steer us through untill May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 24 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/philosophical-football-gary-rowett-and-rise-lower-league-tacticians Interview with Rowett. Could be LJ's words to be honest. That's just the start of what he says. There's also sorts about psychology books, Orwell and Japanese Kaizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgrsimon Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Took over a club who had lost 0-8 at home in their last game, with the owner in jail, very little money, a couple of points above the relegation zone and turned them into a solid top 10 team, 7th when he left. I'd settle for that right now. Ignore the win%, as others have said its meaningless because draws count against it. It's only meaningful if there are only 2 outcomes in a sport like Tenniis for example. His Championship points per game is considerably better than L.J's and that's what actually matters. Plus we have to be realistic about who we can attract, I can't see any 'bigger' names being interested given we are plummeting towards L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, KingLear said: Wasn't Lee Johnson that before he came here? Sorry but Rowett has achieved next to nothing in his managerial career, yes he was sacked rather prematurely and for no good reason but there's absolutely nothing to suggest he's any better than what we have currently got. Perhaps. But those stats only tell the story from a fixed point. What they don't point out is that Rowett's Championship experience was an upward curve; he came into a poor team, stabilised them, then improved them, before being sack with them at a high point in the league. He did this with minimal investment during a time of backroom strife. LJ came into a struggling side (us), stabilised us, but has now led us on a record-breaking bad run, and that is despite a level of investment we've not seen for years. Sure; he hadn't 'achieved' anything, but what are you looking for? Cup wins? League wins? What's your metric? For me: it is a solid record at this level, and if the person is young, a record of improved results when taking in new challenges. And do you honestly think we cannot do better than what we have now? We have a head coach who has brought in the majority of his own players at great expense, has even been able to hire a second assistant manager, and yet we cannot even draw games against terrible sides like Forest. There is an argument that we cannot do worse. Forest got a result against us today without a manager; I'm not sure we wouldn't do better without LJ right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLear Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Ok yes 'achieved' is a objective term depending on your expectations of course. On paper Rowett has achieved as much as Johnson has in this league..so far. Their managerial careers actually have quite a few parallels, of course Rowett was unjustly sacked from Birmingham, but he left them as a solid club in this division after steering them away from relegation. Johnson steered us away from relegation and started what many thought would be a great season. Unfortunately that hasn't proven to be the case. Look if LJ is sacked then so be it, I just can't see the logic in replacing him with Rowett. Ok he might get the new manager 'bounce' and keep us up, much like Johnson did. But are we happy as fans to keep repeating this over and over again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, MigratedRobin said: Please could anyone list this mans amazing managerial achievements! All I can work out is 2 failed promotion bids with Burton including two 7-1 defeats and a stint with Birmingham before getting sacked! 2 minutes ago, KingLear said: Ok yes 'achieved' is a objective term depending on your expectations of course. On paper Rowett has achieved as much as Johnson has in this league..so far. Their managerial careers actually have quite a few parallels, of course Rowett was unjustly sacked from Birmingham, but he left them as a solid club in this division after steering them away from relegation. Johnson steered us away from relegation and started what many thought would be a great season. Unfortunately that hasn't proven to be the case. Look if LJ is sacked then so be it, I just can't see the logic in replacing him with Rowett. Ok he might get the new manager 'bounce' and keep us up, much like Johnson did. But are we happy as fans to keep repeating this over and over again? He's better than Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, KingLear said: Wasn't Lee Johnson that before he came here? Sorry but Rowett has achieved next to nothing in his managerial career, yes he was sacked rather prematurely and for no good reason but there's absolutely nothing to suggest he's any better than what we have currently got. You are kidding right? Almost anybody would be better than what we have right now, and I include some of more clueless ex-managers in that, let alone one who is clearly capable of successfully and steadily managing a club at Championship level over the past 2-3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLear Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Dr Balls said: You are kidding right? Almost anybody would be better than what we have right now, and I include some of more clueless ex-managers in that, let alone one who is clearly capable of successfully and steadily managing a club at Championship level over the past 2-3 seasons. No I'm not kidding, to say you would have some of our 'clueless' ex managers sums it up pretty well. Has no one realised that Rowett took over at Birmingham, a club that around 5/6 years ago was playing Europa League football? That has been playing either Championship or Premier League football for the last 15 years? He inherited a squad of footballers who had been playing Championship/Premiership football long before he arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, KingLear said: No I'm not kidding, to say you would have some of our 'clueless' ex managers sums it up pretty well. Has no one realised that Rowett took over at Birmingham, a club that around 5/6 years ago was playing Europa League football? That has been playing either Championship or Premier League football for the last 15 years? He inherited a squad of footballers who had been playing Championship/Premiership football long before he arrived. I would take MacInnes or Millen over Johnson right now. At Birmingham Rowett inherited a squad who were in the bottom 3, playing abysmally and headed for League 1, while the owner was under arrest for financial irregularities, turned them around, got them safe, kept them in mid table for a couple of seasons and this year had them pushing for the playoffs. That's the kind of progress that all of us would want right now. Or are you still holding on for LJ bringing us Europs League football within 5 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLear Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Where have I ever mentioned us getting Europa League football in 5 years? First of all I'm not disputing Rowett didn't do a decent job at Birmingham, but with the squad they had when he took over they should have been nowhere near the bottom 3 in the first place, new manager 'bounce' and all that. I'm not in the Johnson in or out camp, I support whoever's in charge and will do until he is sacked, whenever that may be. I just struggle to see why Rowett is the answer that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Londoner said: Correct me if im wrong but spent less than 2 mil this summer? 4M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 36 minutes ago, KingLear said: Ok yes 'achieved' is a objective term depending on your expectations of course. On paper Rowett has achieved as much as Johnson has in this league..so far. Their managerial careers actually have quite a few parallels, of course Rowett was unjustly sacked from Birmingham, but he left them as a solid club in this division after steering them away from relegation. Johnson steered us away from relegation and started what many thought would be a great season. Unfortunately that hasn't proven to be the case. Look if LJ is sacked then so be it, I just can't see the logic in replacing him with Rowett. Ok he might get the new manager 'bounce' and keep us up, much like Johnson did. But are we happy as fans to keep repeating this over and over again? Your points are all fair; I'm not arguing strongly for Rowett here, more pointing out the differences (and there are differences) between their seemingly very similar trajectories. The big 'plus' for Rowett would be that he has spent longer at a less well resourced and more troubled club, and twice led them to top half finished - LJ kept us up last year, but hasn't built on that. But, yes; otherwise they are quite similar. However, if may just be a case of 'right place; right time' with whoever comes in, and that is a big factor in any appointment I football. Money and financial support from the powers that be means little; we're proving that right now. But sometimes a person (and not saying Rowett; could be anyone) just fits the bill - isn't always obvious what works; too many variables involved. What is clear though is that the opposite is also true. It was mentioned at the time of LJ coming in that this was a case of the opportunity coming up very early for him, but one he needed to jump at. I'm concerned that he has gone for his 'big job' a little before he was ready, and bitten off more that he can chew just yet. It's a crying shame, but I'm pretty sure that he himself would rather walk away with only the worst losing league run under his belt than a relegation on his record. And I do think we're reached a point that suggesting that possibility is acceptable - let us not forget; the sags were only in the relegation zone for 45 mins... I'm gutted it hasn't worked with LJ, but that is the crux; it clearly and markedly hasn't worked. Whatever my own distaste for sacking folks, it looks like that may need to happen. Because we cannot go back to League One; that is unacceptable to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 31 minutes ago, KingLear said: No I'm not kidding, to say you would have some of our 'clueless' ex managers sums it up pretty well. Has no one realised that Rowett took over at Birmingham, a club that around 5/6 years ago was playing Europa League football? That has been playing either Championship or Premier League football for the last 15 years? He inherited a squad of footballers who had been playing Championship/Premiership football long before he arrived. He took over a club who had just lost 8-0 at HOME ( Christ, even we are not that bad), stabilised them, and got them to a safe position in the Championship. Even when they fired him, they were about 6th(?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 27 minutes ago, Dr Balls said: I would take MacInnes or Millen over Johnson right now. At Birmingham Rowett inherited a squad who were in the bottom 3, playing abysmally and headed for League 1, while the owner was under arrest for financial irregularities, turned them around, got them safe, kept them in mid table for a couple of seasons and this year had them pushing for the playoffs. That's the kind of progress that all of us would want right now. Or are you still holding on for LJ bringing us Europs League football within 5 years? The highlighted part, lets be honest so did Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said: He took over a club who had just lost 8-0 at HOME ( Christ, even we are not that bad), stabilised them, and got them to a safe position in the Championship. Even when they fired him, they were about 6th(?) Like KingLear has said, he took over a pretty decent squad and stabilised them, I would say despite their off field troubles they had a squad more than capable of doing better. Johnson took over a decent L1 squad which was threadbare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, Emperor Palpatine said: Like KingLear has said, he took over a pretty decent squad and stabilised them, I would say despite their off field troubles they had a squad more than capable of doing better. Johnson took over a decent L1 squad which was threadbare. Like the Blues, we have a pretty decent squad (on paper). Why can't he replicate that with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Emperor Palpatine said: The highlighted part, lets be honest so did Johnson Very true. But I think it is disingenuous to compare anything else - Rowett took Burton into two playoff campaigns in League Two, and left them competing at the top of the same division, then at Birmingham twice finished tenth, and was fired despite having them in an even higher position this year - and it seems to bare out his influence somewhat that they've faded under Zola since then. LJ and Rowett seem to hold at least element of similar philosophy about the game, but it is fair to say that the latter has achieved more tangible results with fewer resources, hence the 'hype' around him. I don't know who might be the answer post-LJ; all I know is that we've reached a point where any possible anaylsis suggests he is a factor in our failure, and that our failure is significant. Change is needed, as hard as that might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Emperor Palpatine said: Like KingLear has said, he took over a pretty decent squad and stabilised them, I would say despite their off field troubles they had a squad more than capable of doing better. Johnson took over a decent L1 squad which was threadbare. LJ didn't really mess with what Pemberton started last season. The turning point came under Pemberton not LJ. This season hLJ has changed things around and it hasn't worked. Plus you wonder what effect Dean Holden has had because this run of results does correspond with his time at the club. The reality is that LJ has had more money to spend on players than any previous manager or head coach has been given, yet he still can't out together a winning team & formation. That is the most damning part of all when considering our current position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, samo II said: Very true. But I think it is disingenuous to compare anything else - Rowett took Burton into two playoff campaigns in League Two, and left them competing at the top of the same division, then at Birmingham twice finished tenth, and was fired despite having them in an even higher position this year - and it seems to bare out his influence somewhat that they've faded under Zola since then. LJ and Rowett seem to hold at least element of similar philosophy about the game, but it is fair to say that the latter has achieved more tangible results with fewer resources, hence the 'hype' around him. I don't know who might be the answer post-LJ; all I know is that we've reached a point where any possible anaylsis suggests he is a factor in our failure, and that our failure is significant. Change is needed, as hard as that might be. Surely Rowetts dismissal was more about the owners change of direction and wanting a so called 'big name'. He was hard done by but that can be nature of the beast. I was under the impression that he was backed at Burton (not at our level of course) while Johnson was barely backed at Oldham but did a decent enough job given the circumstances, not sure about Barnsley in terms or resources but he did lead them to a cup final at least.. I was bemused with today that we were so negative and for the first time made me question whether he can turn it around, I'd want him to succeed still because if he does then the club succeeds of course. If he were to go and Rowett comes in, he'll get my full support regardless. I just don't think he's more or less impressive than LJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 We"ll probably appoint the fop from Exeter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dr Balls said: LJ didn't really mess with what Pemberton started last season. The turning point came under Pemberton not LJ. This season hLJ has changed things around and it hasn't worked. Plus you wonder what effect Dean Holden has had because this run of results does correspond with his time at the club. The reality is that LJ has had more money to spend on players than any previous manager or head coach has been given, yet he still can't out together a winning team & formation. That is the most damning part of all when considering our current position. But LJ carried on the good work from that Pembo initially started. Tbf and in LJ's defence he had a fairly good record at this level before the abysmal run, maybe you're correct about Holden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said: We"ll probably appoint the fop from Exeter. Tisdale has done a pretty decent job at Exeter given the circumstances. Think if City want to push forward, maybe they should look at what Reading have done by appointing someone like Stam or someone off the continent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Emperor Palpatine said: Tisdale has done a pretty decent job at Exeter given the circumstances. Think if City want to push forward, maybe they should look at what Reading have done by appointing someone like Stam or someone off the continent At League 2 level. Let's hope we don't make the same mistake again. Yeah, maybe go continental.....someone who speaks the lingo...Dutch/ Scandinavian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Me I would go for Uwe Rosler, he has a decent record. And him and dopey Darryl don't get on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, Emperor Palpatine said: Surely Rowetts dismissal was more about the owners change of direction and wanting a so called 'big name'. He was hard done by but that can be nature of the beast. I was under the impression that he was backed at Burton (not at our level of course) while Johnson was barely backed at Oldham but did a decent enough job given the circumstances, not sure about Barnsley in terms or resources but he did lead them to a cup final at least.. I was bemused with today that we were so negative and for the first time made me question whether he can turn it around, I'd want him to succeed still because if he does then the club succeeds of course. If he were to go and Rowett comes in, he'll get my full support regardless. I just don't think he's more or less impressive than LJ Just to cover the two bold points; Yes; I think Burton did support their managers well for the league two and possibly league one levels, hence their swift rise. But as we are going someway to pointing out right now; money doesn't buy you success - how you use what you buy (or in some cases are bought) with it is important. And in reaching a playoff semi final, then final, then starting another season as promotion contenders shows; Rowett clearly can use his resources wisely. Equally; he absolutely did not have the equivalent level of backing at this level, but helped form a selling club in bad financial shape into a tough to beat unit who twice finished closer to the playoffs than relegation, and seemingly was heading in a similar direction again. I'm not understanding the dismissal of him as being the same as LJ in terms of experience; by saying "what has he achieved?" then when pointing out it is the type of stability we crave at this level and in less than ideal scenarios, saying LJ didn't have the same opportunity is patently wrong. LJ has been backed significantly since the laudable achivemnt of keeping us up. But since that point we have become a worst side, based off the only metric that really counts; league form. It is hard to say LJ hasn't been a factor in this; we've invested in playing staff, we've had him implement his training approach (drones etc), he's has now a whole summer and first half of a season to implement his philosophy. But we are now as bad as we were this time last year, and while I wish we weren't, and the investment in him had paid off; it clearly has not. We're back to desperately attempting to avoid relegation, and for me that means he is not the answer. He's clearly a major factor in whatever is wrong, and ultimately the buck stops with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 If this is the alternative I'd rather stick with LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Kenny Jackett for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 9 hours ago, Up The City! said: If this is the alternative I'd rather stick with LJ. Said with the greatest of respect; this seems an odd position for me, not becaue of Rowett being any guarantee of success you understand, but because of how abject we currently are. We're almost beyond the case of trying to get someone 'better'; we just someone else. It would be a disaster if after all the investment in the Gate, and also the (seemingly) impressive recruitment that we slide back to League One because the team cannot pick up points. SL/MA must be ruthless now; Rowett, Jackett, even Pembo till we find our man - doesn't matter. LJ's way is failing and we have to act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 9 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Me I would go for Uwe Rosler, he has a decent record. And him and dopey Darryl don't get on. What's Rosler's record at this level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkRed! Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 We need to stop appointing "novice" managers. The job is too big for them... Rowett is LJ mark II. We need an experienced manager and one who has a winning track record. I know that fans like a new name but we need a manager who has the experience of this league and if possible the Premier League... It is only once in a blue moon that a novice comes in and does the business.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkRed! Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: What's Rosler's record at this level? Team From To Record Ref G W D L Win % Lillestrøm 1 November 2004 13 November 2006 55 24 16 15 43.64 Viking 22 November 2006 18 November 2009 89 37 24 28 41.57 Molde 30 August 2010 31 December 2010 8 6 2 0 75.00 Brentford 10 June 2011 7 December 2013 136 60 40 36 44.12 Wigan Athletic 7 December 2013 13 November 2014 55 22 16 17 40.00 Leeds United 20 May 2015 19 October 2015 12 2 6 4 16.67 Fleetwood Town 30 July 2016 Present 36 15 11 10 41.67 Total 391 166 115 110 42.46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkRed! Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: What's Rosler's record at this level? His record is far superior to Rowett and LJ... interesting you see how these types of managers get overlooked...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: What's Rosler's record at this level? See below. Note that he took Wigan to the playoffs while there. He also has a total of nearly 400 games in management, having extensive experience in Scandinavia - including both reaching cup finals and achieving high league finishes, as well as short term 'patch up' gigs steering sides away from relegation. He is one of a number of potentials were LJ to leave who I think would prove interesting choices; he certainly would command respect, based off what is written about his management style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjg11 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 what have most managers achieved not much .keeping burton up and on an upward curve an achievement.turning around and keeping Birmingham up an achievement.only a small percentage of managers have playoff qualification or winning things on their cv. Survival and putting a club in the right direction.is a achievement.Kenny Jackett for example solid job at Wolves keeping them solid mid table. No better with big names more money .Mick McCarthy at Ipswich no money solid midtable that's an achievement.maybe being pragmatic and a solid midtable position is an achievement.would be from where we are now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Papers today saying that Michael Appleton is lined up to take over should LJ go. So that makes Rowett look an appealing option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 26 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: Papers today saying that Michael Appleton is lined up to take over should LJ go. So that makes Rowett look an appealing option. It makes anyone seem an appealing option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 46 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: Papers today saying that Michael Appleton is lined up to take over should LJ go. So that makes Rowett look an appealing option. 2+2 making 5 because of MA connection with.....errrrr....MA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 People who think Rowett has achieved nothing, or would be a crap appointment are evidently completely ignorant to the situation at Birmingham when he took over and how he left them. All whilst being massively constrained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h hills left shoe Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, The Horse With No Name said: Papers today saying that Michael Appleton is lined up to take over should LJ go. So that makes Rowett look an appealing option. Another puppet then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 11 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Me I would go for Uwe Rosler, he has a decent record. And him and dopey Darryl don't get on. I'd take Dopey over LJ, he's got 2 successive promotions under his belt an illiterate, loud, thug so quite the opposite to LJ which may just work, plus we'd be taking him off the gas. NURSE!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, samo II said: See below. Note that he took Wigan to the playoffs while there. He also has a total of nearly 400 games in management, having extensive experience in Scandinavia - including both reaching cup finals and achieving high league finishes, as well as short term 'patch up' gigs steering sides away from relegation. He is one of a number of potentials were LJ to leave who I think would prove interesting choices; he certainly would command respect, based off what is written about his management style. Rosler is an interesting one, and don't think I'd be too worried about him coming here, but really his only achievement is getting Wigan to the play offs at this level. Where were Wigan when he left them? I think it's fair to say the Leeds thing is irrelevant considering the owner situation there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 13 hours ago, fgrsimon said: Took over a club who had lost 0-8 at home in their last game, with the owner in jail, very little money, a couple of points above the relegation zone and turned them into a solid top 10 team, 7th when he left. I'd settle for that right now. Ignore the win%, as others have said its meaningless because draws count against it. It's only meaningful if there are only 2 outcomes in a sport like Tenniis for example. His Championship points per game is considerably better than L.J's and that's what actually matters. Plus we have to be realistic about who we can attract, I can't see any 'bigger' names being interested given we are plummeting towards L1. Any ' bigger ' names will see themselves as the Messiah who would lead BCFC to the promised land . Frankly, ours is a top gig . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, YorkshireSection said: I'd take Dopey over LJ, he's got 2 successive promotions under his belt an illiterate, loud, thug so quite the opposite to LJ which may just work, plus we'd be taking him off the gas. NURSE!!!! I reluctantly give DC a lot of credit for what he has achieved at the Gas but I could not stand the man as our head coach . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyboy Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 14 hours ago, MigratedRobin said: Please could anyone list this mans amazing managerial achievements! All I can work out is 2 failed promotion bids with Burton including two 7-1 defeats and a stint with Birmingham before getting sacked! We are all going on about him for one reason only......he's the only one available and nobody else in a job would leave to come to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Poshtottie said: Wouldn't that just be so Mark Ashton! Really why don't they just spend the money and show City supporters that they are serious about our support and get us a manager worthy of the effort it takes to support this outfit ;-) This. Weve got a championship squad, in a championship fit ground, with premier league support and a manager who's downs league. We really need to get in some quality that matches the rest of what we have, I don't think Ashton would want a relegation on his résumé so it's time to act now and accordingly, he's the HR & PR genius his next line up should be a flight to see the big boss and with a list of grade A candidates who can take this club onwards and upwards with a view to achieving what Bristol needs next, premier league football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Roger Red Hat said: Rosler is an interesting one, and don't think I'd be too worried about him coming here, but really his only achievement is getting Wigan to the play offs at this level. Where were Wigan when he left them? I think it's fair to say the Leeds thing is irrelevant considering the owner situation there. I agree but he hasn't been at a club with a budget like ours, he IMHO is a realistic option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 As far as I can establish the only reason 'why GR' is because he is currently available. There is however nothing to suggest that he would be a good fit for us. Like many others I was underwhelmed by LJ's appointment. However, I expect us to stick with LJ, at least until the end of the season. I reach this conclusion due to (a) his willingness to accept the longer-term approach required by the Club (b) there being few other appropriate/capable managers who would buy into the longer-term philosophy (c) LJ becoming a better manager as he gains more experience (d) despite our current form the sense that we aren't actually a million miles away from progressing and (e) he has been enabled to recruit his players so he should be given the time/opportunity to work with them. I do of course recognise that these are not necessarily compelling reasons for sticking with LJ and that many other fans have an opposing view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Jerseybean said: As far as I can establish the only reason 'why GR' is because he is currently available. There is however nothing to suggest that he would be a good fit for us. Like many others I was underwhelmed by LJ's appointment. However, I expect us to stick with LJ, at least until the end of the season. I reach this conclusion due to (a) his willingness to accept the longer-term approach required by the Club (b) there being few other appropriate/capable managers who would buy into the longer-term philosophy (c) LJ becoming a better manager as he gains more experience (d) despite our current form the sense that we aren't actually a million miles away from progressing and (e) he has been enabled to recruit his players so he should be given the time/opportunity to work with them. I do of course recognise that these are not necessarily compelling reasons for sticking with LJ and that many other fans have an opposing view. Stick or twist? We have stuck it out for 3 months with no sign of any improvement any time soon. In fact we appear to be getting worse rather than better, losing to a procession of poor teams who are managing to leapfrog us up the table. At the same time, the new players will be quickly wondering what the hell they are doing here, while the rest already appear to have little or no confidence left. So the answer has to be twist. Also Rowett's appointment allows for the best denouement to a season ever, where in the last match, we have to beat the club that somewhat unfairly sacked him, to stay up. And the outcome? Well that depends very much on whether you believe that it's a Hollywood production or not. Unfortunately nothing else guarantees a happy schmaltzy ending with a promise of another season in the championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I am not advocating Rowett but his record at Birmingham is very respectable. He was there for a bit over two seasons and his points gathered per 46 games is just over 70 points. This with a club where he had little money to bring players in and also had to offload high earners. Of those currently out of a job, he would appear to be the best. But what does an old pensioner know? Donald Duck couldn't do any worse than our current Head Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 21 hours ago, pjg11 said: what have most managers achieved not much .keeping burton up and on an upward curve an achievement.turning around and keeping Birmingham up an achievement.only a small percentage of managers have playoff qualification or winning things on their cv. Survival and putting a club in the right direction.is a achievement.Kenny Jackett for example solid job at Wolves keeping them solid mid table. No better with big names more money .Mick McCarthy at Ipswich no money solid midtable that's an achievement.maybe being pragmatic and a solid midtable position is an achievement.would be from where we are now I think these are good points. Presumably a top-class manager is not going to get the sack during his career, so how many managers in the EFL can say that? Wenger? Gardiola? Almost every manager that is touted on here has failed at at least one club, so it seems the real point of changing manager is to get a refresh, before you dispense with that one and move on to someone else. It is almost beginning to feel that it hardly matters who you appoint - UNLESS you go for the long haul and stand by someone, through thick or thin. So, either we stay on the bandwagon of replacing a manager every year or two, or we try to build for the future, sticking with a manager even when we're doing badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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