Ohbasso Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 This is the first thread or poll that I've started so go easy on me! Sorry to start another Johnson thread but it's slightly different from any others I've seen. It's a hypothetical one really but after hearing SL come out and say he's willing to give Johnson a few more games how would you feel if he started to turn it around a little bit and we went on a run of mid table form? I've come up with three options - 1 - I've never lost faith in him and will always back him anyway. 2 - I've lost faith in him but he could win me back if our form picks up. or 3 - I've completely lost faith in him and will never forgive him for this run of form. For what it's worth I'm option 2. I genuinely thought he's was going to get the chop on Monday and although I really wanted it to work out with Johnson I don't think anyone could've really complained if SL did pull the trigger. That said I'm willing to give him the next couple of league games now but more out of hope than expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 We can't really answer the question, because we don't have the facts as to WHY we have nosedived. Hopefully the club has done the analysis and have made decisions to address the findings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 If he won a handful of games I'd still want him out, as I don't believe he has the experience needed to take us forward in the long term. However, if he was taking us the right way and it looked sustainable then of course I'd support him. I think you'd have to have a personal vendetta against him to not be 'won back' if he was doing well, all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Griffin said: If he won a handful of games I'd still want him out, as I don't believe he has the experience needed to take us forward in the long term. However, if he was taking us the right way and it looked sustainable then of course I'd support him. I think you'd have to have a personal vendetta against him to not be 'won back' if he was doing well, all things considered. That`s the thing. If it looked like he had `seen the light`, and was showing competence and promise, who wouldn`t support him? If he wins two and it`s a false dawn, however.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Or even if he had a set philosophy about how he wanted to play (And who) and despite results people could actually see what he was trying to do , and can see the signs of some progress in our play / form even if the results aren't I can't see a single sign of that , in fact I'd suggest we are going backwards, the LJ supporters presumably can see something I certainly can't One of my few hopes left is the new signings will settle and quickly start to influence results On that basis Is I'd get rid , regardless of the next two or three results Unless there was a (And Very Unlikely IMHO) immediate and obvious sign that not only had results changed but a lot else as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohbasso Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 Interesting split on the poll, gives me the impression that most fans are willing to see how these next few games pan out even if they don't think he's the right man for the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 The proof of the pudding will be whether he can demonstrate he`s learnt from this experience and is a better coach as a result although the stories from Barnsley fans about last season suggest that that may be a vain hope. Still, if SL chooses the route of keeping him here we can only hope that LJ will take a long hard look at himself and admit that he has to improve in a lot of areas. If we do stay up this season I for one don`t want all this to happen again next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red white and red Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 To be perfectly honest mate, I think most people are overthinking it and trying to analyse things. Football fans are fickle, if we win the next 3 games we will all be singing his praises and the 'late play-off run' threads will be started. If he loses the next 3 then he still has to go! No point in analysing it, just follow your team. There is absolutely nothing us mere fans can do about it unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Had faith. Lost faith. Circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hankey Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, Red white and red said: To be perfectly honest mate, I think most people are overthinking it and trying to analyse things. Football fans are fickle, if we win the next 3 games we will all be singing his praises and the 'late play-off run' threads will be started. If he loses the next 3 then he still has to go! No point in analysing it, just follow your team. There is absolutely nothing us mere fans can do about it unfortunately. Now lets not be silly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red white and red Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Mr Hankey said: Now lets not be silly.... It's been known to happen good sir... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I support the team, sometimes I like the manager and sometimes I do not. I voted 3 and I would love him to go on a run and end up mid table as it would mean we were winning. Sadly I don't think he has it in him to turn things around, he's had ample opportunity and , nothing has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desert Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 After a year and multiple purchases of players he does not know what formation he wants to play or what his best side is - not even close. He also can't seem to manage the inevitable egos that comes with good players - a bit like his dad in that respect. So, on this basis I just don't see how he is going to deliver any sustained upturn in form unless something suddenly clicks and he sticks with it. But as somebody said, it clicked away at Fulham and then we never saw that shape and line up again. Nice guy though and speaks very eloquently. Can't be pleasant being him at the moment knowing so many people want you gone. So has a stubborn streak as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall's Splinter Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Never had faith. So haven't lost any. Should be an option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, cynic said: So, anyone else confused ? bump. Time is a great healer? It's been 6 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, cynic said: So 24% want LJ gone no matter what he does. And 76% have either not lost faith or will back him if results pick up. Hopefully I've read that correctly (feel free to correct me if not). I'm confused, I thought 80% wanted him gone no matter what ? It's confusing because it's a confusing poll with silly answers. When should a poll have options based on hypothetical scenarios? 'If our form picks up'. Just silliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 33 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: It's confusing because it's a confusing poll with silly answers. When should a poll have options based on hypothetical scenarios? 'If our form picks up'. Just silliness. Not really. Trust in him no matter what Keeping the faith but only just Not the right man irrespective- get him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, cynic said: Same as any poll then. Anyway, the results are clear - the majority of supporters will give LJ time... Not really - 19% happy for him to continue - will give him more time 21% want him gone now 60% not happy with him, but we have no choice but to give him time as he's going nowhere, so he had better start winning.. if so he can win us round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingswood red Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, cynic said: Same as any poll then. Anyway, the results are clear - the majority of supporters will give LJ time... You managed to find this poll then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I picked B. After the Forest game i thought perhaps he'd have to go but after sleeping on it by Sunday morning i was still with him and would love him to turn it around .Needs to change quickly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 minute ago, cynic said: Well, thats your take on it. Fair enough. Bottom line - Just 21% want him gone now Nope. I want him sacked now, but if he does win the next 10 then I'm not going to still want him gone am i, so I voted 2. Johnson out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Just now, cynic said: Which sums it up nicely. Short term knee jerkers. Make a choice FFS out or in....... Out. Do you not understand the question?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I've lost faith but if he stays I have to support him. I can't see us ever being successful if major decisions are based on sentiment and a kind of 'nepotism'. I'm sure they are made with good intentions but it seems never ending … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Stupid poll really... if he Won the next 5 games with us playing really well of course it would turn many of the doubters including myself... this just simply will not happen... All those who have never lost faith can surely not have a scooby too what their on about where football is concerned because we have been a disgrace these last 2 months with not the slightest amount of proof on the pitch we're progressing!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, cynic said: Accurate poll imo. How on earth is it accurate... Its all based on cloud cuckoo land ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Yes I believe we should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 52 minutes ago, cynic said: Well, thats your take on it. Fair enough. Bottom line - Just 21% want him gone now Which is the vast minority and close to those who want him to continue. You've lost the plot mate.... he could win fans back IF he wins 2 of the next 3 games? that just isn't going to happen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Just now, cynic said: Well, isn't this forum on cloud cuckoo land.....ffs It is as relevant as that other poll started immediately after a defeat .... Not really because that was a poll on who wants him out and who wants him to stay? that was fact... this poll is a soup of if's or but's!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, cynic said: Accurate poll imo. We're in a situation where it looks like he's not going to get the boot soon so of course the centrist choice will be the one most go for. My god, I believed in LJ and in 'the project' at the start, I wanted it to work so I've not been a 'hater'. The handful of LJ supporters left remind me of the Japanese soldier that was still hiding 30 years after WW2 ended who wouldn't believe it was over and thought it was propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 3 hours ago, cynic said: So, anyone else confused ? bump. Nope, but it seems you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 As long as Johnson stays we are relegation fodder. The last 2-3 months clearly point to that. Over more than a third of a season we have collected just 7 points. And he has been given more players than any manager for a long time only to produce the longest run of defeats in our league history. On that basis he needs to go sooner rather than later. It should have been Monday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukneil Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I have been giving this whole poll business a bit of thought, and IMHO, with a tiny little bit of background in research, I think the poll question should be absolutely cut and dry along the lines of: Do you think Lee Johnson should be removed immediately as City manager, irrespective of whether a new manager has been lined up and whom that new manager might be. You could argue the question should just be the first part of the sentence up to the comma, but the second part could serve to remove any ambiguity, I.e. respondents thinking 'yes get rid because we could get ....' And in terms of sample - while we are long past the days of Internet polls in general being unrepresentative of the population at large - respondents from a football fans forum, whom have taken the time to register, and also chosen to respond to a poll, probably is not indicative of the 'at large' fan base thinking. Probably much better to seek respondents from all stands at the ground, while recording sex (will still be male dominated I know) and age grouping to see if drilling down the results on those aspects skew the results. Of course there will still be many factors that could influence general response from one day to the next, from the obvious asking before or after the game depending on the performance /result, to even SL's backing of LJ and Tomlin's recent interview. Anyway, any volunteers for next Tuesday?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, Dr Balls said: As long as Johnson stays we are relegation fodder. The last 2-3 months clearly point to that. Over more than a third of a season we have collected just 7 points. And he has been given more players than any manager for a long time only to produce the longest run of defeats in our league history. On that basis he needs to go sooner rather than later. It should have been Monday... Should have been after Reading, it's getting embarrassing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 The poll is a little bit like saying to someone who's bankrupt: are you; (a) bankrupt (b) not bankrupt, or (c) you win the euromillions on Friday and then using the results of answer (c) to try & prove that they're not bankrupt! ridiculousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Is it scientifically possible to clone dinosaurs; (a) yes - 21% (b) no -38% (c) can I wait until scientists successfully clone dinosaurs and then vote? - 41% 62% of people think it's possible to clone dinosaurs. Poll is ridiculous. QED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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