GrahamC Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Just watched the first half of Ajax v Heracles at the Amsterdam Arena and think this chap, who we had on trial last summer, might well be one that we regret not offering a deal. He has scored (his twelfth league goal in 19 games) and looks a very decent player, all left footed and has barely given the ball away. Not the tallest, (though his goal was a good header), not the quickest, either but those goal stats and his general game suggest to me than when contrasted with the million plus we spent on Engvall we could have had someone at least as effective for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeeebles Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 It's a bit difficult to say how effective Engvail is or isn't when he's only played a hand full of times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Not really a comparison to make, there is a fair few years between them & Engvall was always brought with the next couple of years in mind, Armenteros would of been for the here & now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 They say you take the Dutch league goals and divide them by 3 for the English equivalent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Should ask our friends at Willem II what they made of him as he scored 11 goals in 29 league games for them season before last in Eredivisie. Sounds a pretty good ratio at that level. But at the age of 28 was definitely one for here and now rather than for the future, and if the Tammy deal was already done, you can see the reason for not going for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 34 minutes ago, Tammys Scan said: They say you take the Dutch league goals and divide them by 3 for the English equivalent. Who does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, RedDave said: Who does? Them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 the dutch league is just about on par with the SPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 15 hours ago, GrahamC said: Just watched the first half of Ajax v Heracles at the Amsterdam Arena and think this chap, who we had on trial last summer, might well be one that we regret not offering a deal. He has scored (his twelfth league goal in 19 games) and looks a very decent player, all left footed and has barely given the ball away. Not the tallest, (though his goal was a good header), not the quickest, either but those goal stats and his general game suggest to me than when contrasted with the million plus we spent on Engvall we could have had someone at least as effective for nothing. Hindsight is a wonderful thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Alfonso Alves had 40 goals in 35 games for Hereveen before joining Boro 8 years ago, scored a hat trick v Man City and did nothing else, the Dutch League is pretty poor quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, JBFC II said: Alfonso Alves had 40 goals in 35 games for Hereveen before joining Boro 8 years ago, scored a hat trick v Man City and did nothing else, the Dutch League is pretty poor quality For every Alves there is a Suarez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, Super said: For every Alves there is a Suarez. True but I think suarez is an exception as he is a world class player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, JBFC II said: True but I think suarez is an exception as he is a world class player I do agree though there have been a few shockers the Spurs striker seems to be one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 10 hours ago, Donkeeebles said: It's a bit difficult to say how effective Engvail is or isn't when he's only played a hand full of times Waste of time and money-....panic buy gone wrong. All the guy wants above all else is to be 'at home' in sweden....a pity but all clubs buy a duffer from time to time-no problem,its what we paid(and the agent fees)that grind a little.... If your happier to keep the 'rose tinted' handy then fair enough-he hasn't seen action for a reason/s..attitude being one. So much for all the 'DNA' bollo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: Waste of time and money-....panic buy gone wrong. All the guy wants above all else is to be 'at home' in sweden....a pity but all clubs buy a duffer from time to time-no problem,its what we paid(and the agent fees)that grind a little.... If your happier to keep the 'rose tinted' handy then fair enough-he hasn't seen action for a reason/s..attitude being one. So much for all the 'DNA' bollo. You're ITK then, obviously??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Super said: For every Alves there is a Suarez. Ratio is a bit off.. but no doubt there have been some world class players who've come from the Dutch league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 44 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: Waste of time and money-....panic buy gone wrong. All the guy wants above all else is to be 'at home' in sweden....a pity but all clubs buy a duffer from time to time-no problem,its what we paid(and the agent fees)that grind a little.... If your happier to keep the 'rose tinted' handy then fair enough-he hasn't seen action for a reason/s..attitude being one. So much for all the 'DNA' bollo. didn't we say when we signed him that he was one for the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, JBFC II said: True but I think suarez is an exception as he is a world class player All those rubbish Dutch players like Cruyff, Vsn Basten, Gullit, Bergkamp, Van Persie, Robben?! Plus a good record for spotting talent amongst overseas players like Ronaldo, Romario, Suarez, Gudjohnsen, Christian Eriksen etc. Plus 3 Dutch clubs have won the European Cup on a total of 6 occasions. Not exactly the equivalent of the SPL, although I take the point that it's been less strong more recently and there's a big gap between top and bottom in terms of ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 17 minutes ago, Dr Balls said: All those rubbish Dutch players like Cruyff, Vsn Basten, Gullit, Bergkamp, Van Persie, Robben?! Plus a good record for spotting talent amongst overseas players like Ronaldo, Romario, Suarez, Gudjohnsen, Christian Eriksen etc. Plus 3 Dutch clubs have won the European Cup on a total of 6 occasions. Not exactly the equivalent of the SPL, although I take the point that it's been less strong more recently and there's a big gap between top and bottom in terms of ability. we are talking about the current state of the dutch league not what it was, wasn't their last champions league 94/95? and UEFA 2001? Since the last got to a final, Fulham and middlesborough have got to a final says it all really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 15 minutes ago, Monkeh said: we are talking about the current state of the dutch league not what it was, wasn't their last champions league 94/95? and UEFA 2001? Since the last got to a final, Fulham and middlesborough have got to a final says it all really Fair point although I did say it wasn't what it was. However still s good place to look for young overseas talent, compared to the SPL where clubs tend to recruit those older players who no-one else wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Monkeh said: the dutch league is just about on par with the SPL Can't agree with that Monkeh. Would Celtic dick PSV Ajax and Feyenoord home and away ? Gates are much bigger too and not just the big three. Agree that scoring 20 goals a season there doesn't mean a great deal but some great players come out of that league whereas SPL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeeebles Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Robert the bruce said: Waste of time and money-....panic buy gone wrong. All the guy wants above all else is to be 'at home' in sweden....a pity but all clubs buy a duffer from time to time-no problem,its what we paid(and the agent fees)that grind a little.... If your happier to keep the 'rose tinted' handy then fair enough-he hasn't seen action for a reason/s..attitude being one. So much for all the 'DNA' bollo. "Rose Tinted"? Yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 54 minutes ago, Loon plage said: Can't agree with that Monkeh. Would Celtic dick PSV Ajax and Feyenoord home and away ? Gates are much bigger too and not just the big three. Agree that scoring 20 goals a season there doesn't mean a great deal but some great players come out of that league whereas SPL... currently? prob yes, The dutch teams aren't what they were, where as Celtic have always been shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 12 hours ago, Tammys Scan said: Them Featuring Van Morrison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 15 hours ago, Donkeeebles said: It's a bit difficult to say how effective Engvail is or isn't when he's only played a hand full of times It's easy to say how effective Engvall is. He's in Sweden and we had a 37 year old centre forward doing 90 minutes on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 15 minutes ago, REDOXO said: It's easy to say how effective Engvall is. He's in Sweden and we had a 37 year old centre forward doing 90 minutes on Saturday. Why's he in Sweden? His loan has been cancelled because of Tammy's injury so he should be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 4 hours ago, Monkeh said: didn't we say when we signed him that he was one for the future? No, we didn't. We could only go on what LJ said. "He is a Swedish international with excellent finishing ability. I'm sure he'll adjust quickly to the pace and tempo of the Championship, and when he does he'll be really dangerous." http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/city-secure-engvall-transfer-3281091.aspx An excellent finisher, who LJ was certain would adjust quickly and be really dangerous at this level. That's not 'one for the future' in terms of in a season or two, that's someone we were led to expect needed only a short settling in period before going out and really making his mark at City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 22 minutes ago, Tipps69 said: Why's he in Sweden? His loan has been cancelled because of Tammy's injury so he should be here. Good to know. He can be completely ineffective from a much shorter distance again! Maybe even sit on our bench for no apparent reason # @Engvall's Splinter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 15 hours ago, Tipps69 said: Not really a comparison to make, there is a fair few years between them & Engvall was always brought with the next couple of years in mind, Armenteros would of been for the here & now. I'm not sure if Lee Johnson was on the same page as you on August 31st. “He’s a Swedish international who has excellent finishing ability. I’m sure he will adjust quickly to the pace and tempo of the Sky Bet Championship and when he does he’ll be really dangerous.”Read more at http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/city-secure-engvall-transfer-3281091.aspx#AYOvFjwiBi8SGXmj.99 EDIT: Damn your eyes, Noggers! Mine are off to Specsavers. Good day to you. Ouch, who put that door there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 5 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: Featuring Van Morrison? Probably lost on most on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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