Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 As a fair few threads have descended into Johnson out debates, quite a few have asked if people want the team to fail to win in order to remove Lee Johnson. Rather than any sniping about booing / negative chants / Johnson out etc, here's a straight choice. It's anonymous to save any bickering and I think the result may speak volumes. What say you? I'm not going to vote on this as I really don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Win and Johnson still gets the boot, can't choose out of the two options, need the points and need LJ out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, RumRed said: Win and Johnson still gets the boot, can't choose out of the two options, need the points and need LJ out. There's the dilemma my friend. I think we can safely say he won't be going anywhere if we win. I'm in the same boat TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I am a Bristol City supporter and want us to win every game. League, Cup, Tinpot trophy, Reserves, U23s down to U5s, Ladies team, Disability teams, whoever is wearing our clubs crest. Every. single. game. Can't fathom why anyone would want us to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 3 points is a must, regardless of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 ADD win or lose LJ out gets my vote; TIMES UP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, 8menhadadream said: There's the dilemma my friend. I think we can safely say he won't be going anywhere if we win. I'm in the same boat TBH. What an almighty balls up we've made of this season. I'm verging on the lose and Johnson out but I don't think a loss would assure it unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said: As a fair few threads have descended into Johnson out debates, quite a few have asked if people want the team to fail to win in order to remove Lee Johnson. Rather than any sniping about booing / negative chants / Johnson out etc, here's a straight choice. It's anonymous to save any bickering and I think the result may speak volumes. What say you? What about win and Johnson still goes? That gets my vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 I don't disagree gents but that means LJ stays. Please note I did say 'fail to win' not lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, 'keepuplino' said: What about win and Johnson still goes? That gets my vote That would be everybodys choice I should think lino. Not likely though is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears in rain Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Need the points end of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, 8menhadadream said: I don't disagree gents but that means LJ stays. Please note I did say 'fail to win' not lose. Hey? You must certainly need to add a Johnson goes regardless option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 Just now, 'keepuplino' said: Hey? You must certainly need to add a Johnson goes regardless option How's that going to happen though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, 8menhadadream said: That would be everybodys choice I should think lino. Not likely though is it? Why not, at least it may get a message across to SL?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said: I don't disagree gents but that means LJ stays. Please note I did say 'fail to win' not lose. ADD lj goes whatever....and preferably before Sat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I genuinely can't answer And this (reasonable) question, for me just highlights what a farce this has become because SL doesn't want to lose face Sad , very sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 Better? That is even less likely to happen though. That's why I only wanted the 2 options TBH. EDIT: Sorry people, that's not going to happen so I've removed it. Either or, that's the dilemma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I genuinely can't answer And this (reasonable) question, for me just highlights what a farce this has become because SL doesn't want to lose face Sad , very sad Spot on Bob, it's a toughie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said: Better? That is even less likely to happen though. That's why I only wanted the 2 options TBH. It's meant to be a poll, you haven't covered the options therefore it's a flawed poll... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, 'keepuplino' said: Why not, at least it may get a message across to SL?? He aint silly he knows how the fans feel and that it will get worse as the games pass; trouble is he has put so much into it and would have to lose face. Remember "trust me on Tinman" and "redeveloping AG is not an option" both said by our leader I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Gone for the win and just pray he gets the boot. I would hope that the board have somebody in mind and are ready to pull the trigger.. But that could be wishful thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I genuinely can't answer And this (reasonable) question, for me just highlights what a farce this has become because SL doesn't want to lose face Sad , very sad 100% right, he will hang on till the end and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, 'keepuplino' said: It's meant to be a poll, you haven't covered the options therefore it's a flawed poll... Give me another likely option lino? I can't see any other choice which would prove a point WTGR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said: Give me another likely option lino? I can't see any other choice which would prove a point WTGR. Win lose or draw we don't want lj here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 13 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said: Spot on Bob, it's a toughie! If it had been 6 games or so ago I wouldn't have been distraught if we lost if it saw the end of LJ Its getting so desperate now that the points are vital , though like many think even a win Saturday may be counter productive if it means a stay of execution for LJ , which ultimately costs us relegation Massive concern that we've left it so long , that we will have eliminated the chance of anyone not prepared to manage in League One , as I think we are getting to the stage where it's going to be very difficult , at least , for anyone to get us out of this mess im not particularly championing Gary Rowett , but , for example , can anyone seriously think he'd come here in the situation and mess we are in - he might have done 4/5 matches ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 3 points please Ask again on Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, glos old boy said: Win lose or draw we don't want lj here. So, wouldn't you select 'fail to win and he's gone' then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Its getting so desperate now that the points are vital , though like many think even a win Saturday may be counter productive if it means a stay of execution for LJ which ultimately costs us relegation That's the point of the poll in a nutshell Bob. I can't bear to choose an option where City don't win BUT he has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said: So, wouldn't you select 'fail to win and he's gone' then? no because if we win, and we could well do, the pain will almost certainly go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, glos old boy said: no because if we win, and we could well do, the pain will almost certainly go on. That's the other option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 27 minutes ago, 'keepuplino' said: It's meant to be a poll, you haven't covered the options therefore it's a flawed poll... It will be more flawed if there is an option which about 99% would choose - I think the results are interesting as it is and currently with lose the game so LJ goes leading at this point - slightly shocking for me !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 40 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said: There's the dilemma my friend. I think we can safely say he won't be going anywhere if we win. I'm in the same boat TBH. I cant see him going even if we lost 10-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 There is no way I'm wasting a day on Saturday wanting us to lose. Could we please win and he be sacked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, Neo said: It will be more flawed if there is an option which about 99% would choose - I think the results are interesting as it is and currently with lose the game so LJ goes leading at this point - slightly shocking for me !! I agree Neo but it says fail to win rather than lose with all respect. I didn't know what to expect in all honesty but the result thus far is, as you say, slightly shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said: I agree Neo but it says fail to win rather than lose with all respect. I didn't know what to expect in all honesty but the result thus far is, as you say, slightly shocking. It does say fail to win - apologies. Anything less than 3 points will feel like a loss - covered myself !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 If ever there was a damning indictment of LJ's tenure then this poll is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: If ever there was a damning indictment of LJ's tenure then this poll is it. Pretty crazy how bad its got..... Many think that us losing and LJ getting the sack will give us the best chance of staying up..... I did'nt vote because i want him sacked regardless!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 There is a nightmare scenario for me. We win against Burton and Johnson stays. We lose against Burton and Johnson stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Thompson Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 There are 20.000 fans how can any one say they speak for them. You don't speak for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 19 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: If ever there was a damning indictment of LJ's tenure then this poll is it. I thought it would be Fordy but expected a close vote. This is extremely damning. A worthwhile exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Bob Thompson said: There are 20.000 fans how can any one say they speak for them. You don't speak for me. I don't think anyone said it does Bob, it's just a forum poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 City to win Johnson to go If that turns out to be the scenario it leaves us with another major problem : SL choosing another manager, yet again with no proper appointment procedures in place, and the whole ghastly roundabout starts up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: City to win Johnson to go Do you think that's a possibilty Ivor, a realistic one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeOTIB Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 We desperately need the points. We need to win it we're going to build alot of points between us and the relegation zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JHAGa Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I genuinely find it shocking how so many people want us to lose. People will say it's for the 'greater good' in their eyes, but I just find it hard to comprehend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said: Do you think that's a possibilty Ivor, a realistic one? Sadly no. Neither owner, Board, nor Head Coach are big enough to own up publicly to their failings. Hope I am 100% wrong, though - but as I said that still leaves us fans with just a new headache, the appointment of a new manager God knows where we all go from here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears in rain Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: City to win Johnson to go If that turns out to be the scenario it leaves us with another major problem : SL choosing another manager, yet again with no proper appointment procedures in place, and the whole ghastly roundabout starts up again. Summed up how I feel. I really don't understand why he thinks he is capable of bringing a manager in. He knows business not football ffs. Just looking at his previous decisions shows he needs to put a person in place to make the decisions with footballing knowledge and experience. And I must say you know things are bad when i called my Dad and all we did was talk about the situation at city for an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Over 50% of supporters want us to lose. Hang your heads in shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rednwhiterob said: Over 50% of supporters want us to lose. Hang your heads in shame. Where does it say 'lose' Rob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityCiderEd Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, Rednwhiterob said: Over 50% of supporters want us to lose. Hang your heads in shame. I thought the question asked was "fail to win" not want us not to win.I always want my team to win even if it means we keep the clueless soundbite person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, Rednwhiterob said: Over 50% of supporters want us to lose. Hang your heads in shame. I never want us to lose but fully understand why some do. It just shows what a dreadful place SL's egotism has got us to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Have to win no matter the outcome in regards to the coach. I doubt there'd be so many LJ out if we won the last 13 games. Not going to happen but point is I never want to see us lose and while a win is unlikely to make LJ a good coach it will be 3 points closer to keeping us in the league which is the goal no matter what and who is in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I support Bristol City. In every game I want us to get three points. Even if LJ goes, there is no guarantee a replacement will do better (not the same as saying he shouldn't be replaced). If we get three points, we are nearer safety. If we don't, we're nearer relegation. Although I get the question, really, there's only one answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: I never want us to lose but fully understand why some do. It just shows what a dreadful place SL's egotism has got us to The situation is dire and one we shouldn't be in but we are and losing another won't help. What if we lose Saturday and he doesn't go? If I was offered 3 points but had to keep LJ I'd take the 3 as it would means 3 wins and a draw or two should mean we stay up. Maybe LJ doesn't have it in him. Maybe he gets lucky. I don't know and I don't like guessing but it's what we are stuck with so I just want the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: I support Bristol City. In every game I want us to get three points. Even if LJ goes, there is no guarantee a replacement will do better (not the same as saying he shouldn't be replaced). If we get three points, we are nearer safety. If we don't, we're nearer relegation. Although I get the question, really, there's only one answer I admire your passion Silvio but the current result would suggest the last statement isn't the case. As mentioned previously, I think it shows the strength of anti LJ feelings. In normal situations, not one City fan would have ticked anything but the 'win' option, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, 8menhadadream said: I admire your passion Silvio but the current result would suggest the last statement isn't the case. As mentioned previously, I think it shows the strength of anti LJ feelings. In normal situations, not one City fan would have ticked anything but the 'win' option, obviously. And I can respect that. And I've said on more than one thread I think LJs time is up. But even if we appointed SAF, it's not a guarantee of points - so I have to take the points. Counter question - would you, or others, take the loss and losing LJ if at the end of the season we are relegated by two points? Just as likely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: And I can respect that. And I've said on more than one thread I think LJs time is up. But even if we appointed SAF, it's not a guarantee of points - so I have to take the points. Counter question - would you, or others, take the loss and losing LJ if at the end of the season we are relegated by two points? Just as likely... I never want City to lose Silvio and I mean never. I want LJ gone but couldn't bring myself to wish defeat on our team. Maybe ask your question in another poll after Saturdays game? It would certainly be divisive as is the current poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, 8menhadadream said: I never want City to lose Silvio and I mean never. I want LJ gone but couldn't bring myself to wish defeat on our team. Maybe ask your question in another poll after Saturdays game? It would certainly be divisive as is the current poll. I think we're pretty much on the same page here so no axe to grind. The only point I'll disagree on is that the poll should be pre saturday - i.e. Take losing and LJ gone, come what may. I'd hope most people are of the same opinion there - even now (and again, I think his time is up) - we'd all take him staying if it meant staying up and reassessing in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: I think we're pretty much on the same page here so no axe to grind. The only point I'll disagree on is that the poll should be pre saturday - i.e. Take losing and LJ gone, come what may. I'd hope most people are of the same opinion there - even now (and again, I think his time is up) - we'd all take him staying if it meant staying up and reassessing in the summer. I wouldn't, if he managed to keep us up I'd want him gone still. Terrible record, hugely underachieved ie money spent, get someone better in that can do a good job. Edit: Unless you mean reassessing as in manager too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said: I think we're pretty much on the same page here so no axe to grind. The only point I'll disagree on is that the poll should be pre saturday - i.e. Take losing and LJ gone, come what may. I'd hope most people are of the same opinion there - even now (and again, I think his time is up) - we'd all take him staying if it meant staying up and reassessing in the summer. I'm sure you're right Silvio and I've no axe to grind either. It would leave a huge problem in the summer though as the fans have turned and I don't think we're coming back onside any time soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tammys Scan said: I wouldn't, if he managed to keep us up I'd want him gone still. Terrible record, hugely underachieved ie money spent, get someone better in that can do a good job. Edit: Unless you mean reassessing as in manager too. I did mean in manager too for avoidance of doubt! However if he wins 12 on the bounce from hereon (ok...) then I know how fickle things are - like it or not there would be a shift. What you won't agree with is what I've said elsewhere - I think there is a decent coach in there somewhere. But I agree, absent something like the above, even if staying up, he's likely and rightly gone in the next couple of months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B block Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: I did mean in manager too for avoidance of doubt! However if he wins 12 on the bounce from hereon (ok...) then I know how fickle things are - like it or not there would be a shift. What you won't agree with is what I've said elsewhere - I think there is a decent coach in there somewhere. But I agree, absent something like the above, even if staying up, he's likely and rightly gone in the next couple of months If he stays were down simple as in my book, all the evidence baring an act of God points to him not turning this around, whatever stat you want to use,points gained,players used etc. The only evidence for him staying and us staying up is hope, is he Alan dicks reincarnated, is he the new Eddie Howe? i hate watching city lose but if I knew he'd be gone if we lost Saturday I'd bite your hand off and gamble on pemberton, rowett or Bruce bleedin Forsyth to keep us up rather than a man who speaks like he's reading from George orwells 1984. I understand those who can't bare their team losing but the lesser evil the greater good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedKatieScarlett Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Why don't the poll figures total the number of people showing having voted for either option? A discrepancy of about 20 at the moment... no space for " spoilt papers" so don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Phantom Posted March 3, 2017 Admin Share Posted March 3, 2017 8 hours ago, RedKatieScarlett said: Why don't the poll figures total the number of people showing having voted for either option? A discrepancy of about 20 at the moment... no space for " spoilt papers" so don't get it. Am confused, what discrepancy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I'd take the 3 points as I still think he'll be here win, loose or draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 8 hours ago, RedKatieScarlett said: Why don't the poll figures total the number of people showing having voted for either option? A discrepancy of about 20 at the moment... no space for " spoilt papers" so don't get it. Not the foggiest idea RKS. I certainly haven't deleted any and don't even know if I could. 149 votes yet it shows just 124. No idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedKatieScarlett Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Phantom- the poll says 149 members have voted, then under the percentages there is a little person symbol which I'm presuming means the number of people contributing to that percentage. These say 51 and 73 which my poor maths makes 124... so where are the other 25??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 27 minutes ago, RedKatieScarlett said: Phantom- the poll says 149 members have voted, then under the percentages there is a little person symbol which I'm presuming means the number of people contributing to that percentage. These say 51 and 73 which my poor maths makes 124... so where are the other 25??? I would assume the remainder from the first number are posters like myself , who havn't voted , but viewed the vote results (After which you can't vote) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I would assume the remainder from the first number are posters like myself , who havn't voted , but viewed the vote results (After which you can't vote) That makes sense Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 minute ago, 8menhadadream said: That makes sense Bob. Which is probably more than I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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