Lorenzos Only Goal Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Ah yeah, that match at Peterborough- I seem to recall Cunningham getting injured for a long while in that one- about 3 months was it? That was a turning point, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 8 hours ago, Mr Hankey said: As bad as McInnes was, i think i would trust him with this team more than i would LJ. My god. You are right. There will be one or two that will smile about that comment as I could not stand what McInnes did to this club. BUT he is without doubt head and shoulders (it was a turn of phrase) above LJ. OH WHAT HAVE WE DONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 McInnes was undone by a couple of significant injuries. Stead was a big miss for long stretches of the 2012-13 season as he had been the talisman upfront when McInnes kept us up the season before. Likewise Cunningham was a major loss. A number of other players were poor and some were very inconsistent, but there is also no doubt that McInnes was expected to slash the wage costs as part of the 5 Pillars. It was mentioned more than a few times. And when he took over from Millen we really were adrift at the bottom of the league even after just 10 games. 2 wins and a draw in his first 3 matches still left us 3 points from safety! Certainly SOD was not an improvement on McInnes and probably a lot worse. SL has already intimated that he feels that he may have got rid of McInnes too swiftly and so is now giving LJ more time on that basis. The only problem with that is that LJ was a fairly contentious appointment at the time, given his playing career here, mainly managed by his dad, and so was always likely to lead to some much stronger emotions should his tenure as head coach go badly. And so that's where we find ourselves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAGa Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Both started well, were good blokes that spoke well to press/fans and then their inexperience showed when things got tough. I'd probably prefer LJ over Del though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dr Balls said: McInnes was undone by a couple of significant injuries. Stead was a big miss for long stretches of the 2012-13 season as he had been the talisman upfront when McInnes kept us up the season before. Likewise Cunningham was a major loss. A number of other players were poor and some were very inconsistent, but there is also no doubt that McInnes was expected to slash the wage costs as part of the 5 Pillars. It was mentioned more than a few times. And when he took over from Millen we really were adrift at the bottom of the league even after just 10 games. 2 wins and a draw in his first 3 matches still left us 3 points from safety! Certainly SOD was not an improvement on McInnes and probably a lot worse. SL has already intimated that he feels that he may have got rid of McInnes too swiftly and so is now giving LJ more time on that basis. The only problem with that is that LJ was a fairly contentious appointment at the time, given his playing career here, mainly managed by his dad, and so was always likely to lead to some much stronger emotions should his tenure as head coach go badly. And so that's where we find ourselves... I believe he slashed it by half, thats some going in all fairness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 minute ago, JHAGa said: Both started well, were good blokes that spoke well to press/fans and then their inexperience showed when things got tough. I'd probably prefer LJ over Del though. I think it may have been too soon for Del coming here and having to contend with what was going on. The stint at Aberdeen right now is doing him the power of good, hopefully he'll get another shot at management down here again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAGa Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Just now, Emperor Palpatine said: I think it may have been too soon for Del coming here and having to contend with what was going on. The stint at Aberdeen right now is doing him the power of good, hopefully he'll get another shot at management down here again Yeah, same can be said for LJ really. I think Del has done a good (not excellent job) at Aberdeen. Finished 2nd in the SPL with Aberdeen a few times but worth recognising the strength of Rangers, Hearts and Hibs during that duration also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears in rain Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 7 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Ah yeah, that match at Peterborough- I seem to recall Cunningham getting injured for a long while in that one- about 3 months was it? I have only ever seen my Dad angrier on one occasion and that was at the Rose Bowl watching cricket. But he was fuming we conceded 3 awful goals that day and he lost it because we had a player injured and we didn't kick the ball out proceeded to lose it and then concede. That literally summed it up... the most naive display you could ever imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears in rain Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Don't get me wrong McInnis wasn't great at the end and we were going down. But he did have one of the most difficult tasks in getting rid of some useless deadwood players taking up a massive chunk of the wage bill. I feel sorry for him to be honest. It wasn't an easy job at the time. Lets compare to LJ... Spends what he wants and has been allowed to recruit freely and keeps banging on about 3 windows! Where has that got us? Can't say he was better then McInnis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAGa Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 I just can't forgive McInnes for Richard Foster, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears in rain Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, JHAGa said: I just can't forgive McInnes for Richard Foster, to be honest. He was awful but the whole defence was **** it must be said. Which again comes down to having to cut so much **** from the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 15 hours ago, Br 1st ol said: Both young managers Both said to be visionaries Both allegedly sought after Both sought to establish pillars, frameworks etc and bought into the city plan Both had mixed results with recruitment Both failed to trust a settled team and formation Neither knew who were best the players and combinations and randomly changed for each game Both had terrible runs One lost their job.... Identical i would say. Both utter utter shite and a shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 There is one common denominator not yet mentioned in this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, Harry said: There is one common denominator not yet mentioned in this thread Scott Murray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 16 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: They both wear nice v necked jumpers as well.....as does Mr Rowett prefer a round neck myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 10 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Ah yeah, that match at Peterborough- I seem to recall Cunningham getting injured for a long while in that one- about 3 months was it? Cole Skuse was also badly injured by the lump at striker, who we had on loan for a while. Cunningham was done by Mark Little. So we lost two players for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Harry said: There is one common denominator not yet mentioned in this thread MA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 17 hours ago, Br 1st ol said: ............. Both had terrible runs ............ We can't risk that again, SL & MA need to make sure we have a good supply of this in the club's medicine cabinet.... Gets rid of GAS too ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 8 hours ago, Harry said: There is one common denominator not yet mentioned in this thread I know. I know. It's the fans isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall's Splinter Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 18 hours ago, Bs4Red said: We may well have spent £10 million, however we also sold around £17 million of our players, therefore we needed with a net spend of +2 million. I was told by a good source that Kodjia was always going and the fee was always known to be in excess of £10+ Thats the only reason we spent that much money in the window. Overall we made a profit, had we spent £15 million and kept Kodjia, Ayling etc. We'd be in a much better position (15 goals extra plus a good right back) It gets worse. So we always knew Kodjia was going and that we needed a couple of strikers anyway, yet didn't have an adequate replacements lined up? Whilst Abraham has come in and exceeded expectation, we still needed another. (Engvall was said to be not ready so is discounted). Makes LJ AND MA bigger t*ats that I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Blake Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 McInnes never signed a commanding centre half, instead perhaps concentrated too much on attack. He also gambled on bringing in players from the Scottish Prem but that was a big mistake in hindsight as they weren't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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