Duric

[Cowshed]

10 minutes ago, Harry said:

I support the football club first, then the players. In the interests of the football club, Joe should be dropped.

Just because he's "one of our own" shouldn't absolve him from criticism. He's been terrible for the huge majority of the season. 

Nothing to do with one of our own. Joe Bryan has played well in games this season. The Leeds media highlighted how Ayling struggled v Bristol City and Joe Bryan. Awful all season is a no there.

My view is that the team would benefit from more consistency. Consistency particularly in defensive sets ups. There are times when the team is caught between tucking in and going into a press. Work on triggers maybe?

Your fans group has freedoms other supporters do not enjoy. You appear to be its representative on Otib. Shouldn't Section 82 be supporting the players?

 

[KingLear]

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the idea that maybe Djuric just wasn't fit enough to start tonight?

We know he's coming off the back of a recent injury, maybe he still isn't 100% match fit. That same injury meant that Wilbraham was started against Newcastle because after Djuric he's the only big combative CF that we have in the squad.

Then we all agreed that Wilbs had an absolute blinder against Newcastle, he was superb. So, rather sensibly in my opinion, he gets a little run in the team after that.

Let's be honest if LJ hadn't have given Wilbs another start after Newcastle people would be slating him to high heaven.

Before people start attacking this post for being 'pro LJ', this is merely an observation of the situation as I see it. I've no doubt that Djuric is the better option in front of Wilbraham, i'm merely stating that there's sometimes a lot more to it than 'it didn't go right so LJ is ****'.

[Harry]

13 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Nothing to do with one of our own. Joe Bryan has played well in games this season. The Leeds media highlighted how Ayling struggled v Bristol City and Joe Bryan. Awful all season is a no there.

My view is that the team would benefit from more consistency. Consistency particularly in defensive sets ups. There are times when the team is caught between tucking in and going into a press. Work on triggers maybe?

Your fans group has freedoms other supporters do not enjoy. You appear to be its representative on Otib. Shouldn't Section 82 be supporting the players?

 

Whether the Leeds media highlighted him or not, he's been awful for the majority of the season. 

I am posting as an individual in this matter not as a collective. My views are my own, not those of the whole of Section 82. 

I do support the players. I'd love Joe to be performing to the best of his ability, but this season, he has not done so and I do not understand why he is not dropped. 

I like to analyse the games very closely and always watch the 90 minute replay on Player. There are often things you don't see when watching live - it is my opinion that Joe has not played well in the majority of games and more often than not has been one of, or the, weakest player on the pitch. 

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, KingLear said:

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the idea that maybe Djuric just wasn't fit enough to start tonight?

We know he's coming off the back of a recent injury, maybe he still isn't 100% match fit. That same injury meant that Wilbraham was started against Newcastle because after Djuric he's the only big combative CF that we have in the squad.

Then we all agreed that Wilbs had an absolute blinder against Newcastle, he was superb. So, rather sensibly in my opinion, he gets a little run in the team after that.

Let's be honest if LJ hadn't have given Wilbs another start after Newcastle people would be slating him to high heaven.

Before people start attacking this post for being 'pro LJ', this is merely an observation of the situation as I see it. I've no doubt that Djuric is the better option in front of Wilbraham, i'm merely stating that there's sometimes a lot more to it than 'it didn't go right so LJ is ****'.

Certainly accept its a possibility, but Wilbraham was not fit to start either.  

[1bristolcity]

That starting line up seemed like a deliberate attempt to hand the initiative to a fragile Norwich that had just conceded FIVE...so why in the name of everything that of Holy would any coach pick just one up?   Milan should have started with Taylor feeding off him, and with Wilbs if needed coming off the bench.

I still cannot believe he actually did that, but he did, and for that alone he should go, forget all else, this is proof the bloke is clueless.

[Cowshed]

28 minutes ago, Harry said:

Whether the Leeds media highlighted him or not, he's been awful for the majority of the season. 

I am posting as an individual in this matter not as a collective. My views are my own, not those of the whole of Section 82. 

I do support the players. I'd love Joe to be performing to the best of his ability, but this season, he has not done so and I do not understand why he is not dropped. 

I like to analyse the games very closely and always watch the 90 minute replay on Player. There are often things you don't see when watching live - it is my opinion that Joe has not played well in the majority of games and more often than not has been one of, or the, weakest player on the pitch. 

Earlier your post stated this year now its a majority of the season. Off the top of my head Joe Bryan was not awful v Preston, Reading, Derby, Leeds, Newcastle ... This year.

I like to analyse games too. Does he make telling contributions ... Yes more frequently than given credit for. Is he prone to defensive aberrations ... 100% Yes. Summary no left back.

I think he and the team would benefit from more consistency. Out of possession they are poor, and in particular Joe Bryan although Smith recently did an impression of a junior player turning his back on the ball running away from it. Press, screen, get compact ... At ties they go into all sorts. This is to myself is a team not knowing what they are and being comfortable with roles ... Been going on most of this year ... Awful. as a team.

Shouldn't Section 82 be supporting the plyers? You are undermining one. Collectively Section 82 you support but individually you coat off players on the net. Righto ...

 

 

 

[JamesBCFC]

1 hour ago, Flint says No said:

Smith played RB for Norwich in their promotion season played very well today. I agree what you're saying with Wilbraham.

People on here have been saying for months to put Korey at RB after it was deemed Little wasn't good enough, and Matthews is well, Matthews. But as soon as LJ does it it's a travesty and should never happen.

In the eyes of some he cannot do a thing right and they would criticise his choices in a game even if we dominated a team and won 4-0.

[Major Isewater]

10 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Joe Bryan is not a full back.  He should not be played in that position.

Your wrong , Bryan will be a Premier League left back one day , LJ said so.

[Red-Robbo]

10 hours ago, BCFChayden said:

I thought last 20 joe came alive, must of been something in that blokes water, cracking idea lad. And as for bringing Duroc I agree first 10 looked like he won't bothered but my word after that if he don't get a start Saturday I will be shocked

Joe was great for much of the second half. He'd obviously been given the freedom to get forward. 

Considering our formation was all over the place by then, we pinned Norwich back well and made them look very ordinary. 

Djuric is - from what I've seen - the club's second-best striker after Tammy.  He makes things happen.

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

10 hours ago, Antman said:

So, when he comes on, it takes about 10 minutes to get into the game and then bang! He wins everything, puts it about, does what he should have been able to do from the outset.

but Little Lee sees  fit to start with one up front, that one being Wilbrahim, who seems to be wriggling himself into Little Lee's gang. (Remember Osman anyone?) plays Smith totally out of position and once again has to sacrifice players (Reid) because he made the wrong starting choices.

 

everyone could see it, START HIM!!!FFS!

 

and why the **** can't Magnussen start at LB? Joe was utterly dire tonight

 

 

No, not 'everyone could see it'.  FFS

As I said in another thread, Djuric was very effective against a tiring defence.  The starting line-up was designed to prevent what happened against Fulham, where we were overrun in midfield in the first half.  If Djuric had started, he would not necessarily have been anything like as effective as he was as a substitute.

I respect other people's opinions; what I don't respect is people stating them without a thought that people might disagree ('we all know that...', 'everyone could see it...' etc.). 

[BCFChayden]

1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said:

Joe was great for much of the second half. He'd obviously been given the freedom to get forward. 

Considering our formation was all over the place by then, we pinned Norwich back well and made them look very ordinary. 

Djuric is - from what I've seen - the club's second-best striker after Tammy.  He makes things happen.

Completely agree with you mate, Taylor ain't the quickest either but he try's. he's looking ordinary in this team

[JamesBCFC]

2 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

No, not 'everyone could see it'.  FFS

As I said in another thread, Djuric was very effective against a tiring defence.  The starting line-up was designed to prevent what happened against Fulham, where we were overrun in midfield in the first half.  If Djuric had started, he would not necessarily have been anything like as effective as he was as a substitute.

I respect other people's opinions; what I don't respect is people stating them without a thought that people might disagree ('we all know that...', 'everyone could see it...' etc.). 

Even the commentators pointed out that if City had started how they lined up at the end then we would have been thrashed.

[gordie]

11 hours ago, Antman said:

So, when he comes on, it takes about 10 minutes to get into the game and then bang! He wins everything, puts it about, does what he should have been able to do from the outset.

but Little Lee sees  fit to start with one up front, that one being Wilbrahim, who seems to be wriggling himself into Little Lee's gang. (Remember Osman anyone?) plays Smith totally out of position and once again has to sacrifice players (Reid) because he made the wrong starting choices.

 

everyone could see it, START HIM!!!FFS!

 

and why the **** can't Magnussen start at LB? Joe was utterly dire tonight

 

 

I'm not sure sacrificing Reid is the right wording, he was absolutely shocking as he was Saturday and was the right move taking him off imo,  as for Djuric and Taylor they changed the while dynamics of the team when they came on but I'm sure it will be back to 1 up front in our next must win cup game #johnsonoutNOW

[Son of Fred]

Our best players,Duric,Taylor,Magners,O'Dowda,Cotterill,hegeler should start every game for rest of season unless injury dictates....two up top,three at the back,settled side.stop pissing around Lee,at least we will have half a chance upsetting the bookies.....

[Major Isewater]

2 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

Even the commentators pointed out that if City had started how they lined up at the end then we would have been thrashed.

Not quite in context , Chris Spittals on Radio Bristol said that if they had played like that from the start they would have lost because they threw caution completely to the wind .

They  would have blown out long before the ninety minutes was up .

However, It could be argued that if we had scored one or two then Norwich may have imploded themselves with their fragile confidence and tiredness.

No we can all see what LJ is trying to do and it's turned the team into bunch of individuals frightened of making mistakes and making them even so or maybe because of . 

Keep in the game as long as possible and attack with caution seems to be the plan A. 

[Sir Colby-Tit]

3 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

No, not 'everyone could see it'.  FFS

As I said in another thread, Djuric was very effective against a tiring defence.  The starting line-up was designed to prevent what happened against Fulham, where we were overrun in midfield in the first half.  If Djuric had started, he would not necessarily have been anything like as effective as he was as a substitute.

I respect other people's opinions; what I don't respect is people stating them without a thought that people might disagree ('we all know that...', 'everyone could see it...' etc.). 

But we weren't playing Fulham

[wheatus59]

14 hours ago, Antman said:

So, when he comes on, it takes about 10 minutes to get into the game and then bang! He wins everything, puts it about, does what he should have been able to do from the outset.

but Little Lee sees  fit to start with one up front, that one being Wilbrahim, who seems to be wriggling himself into Little Lee's gang. (Remember Osman anyone?) plays Smith totally out of position and once again has to sacrifice players (Reid) because he made the wrong starting choices.

 

everyone could see it, START HIM!!!FFS!

 

and why the **** can't Magnussen start at LB? Joe was utterly dire tonight

 

 

Spot on mate .

[Harry]

5 hours ago, Cowshed said:

Earlier your post stated this year now its a majority of the season. Off the top of my head Joe Bryan was not awful v Preston, Reading, Derby, Leeds, Newcastle ... This year.

I like to analyse games too. Does he make telling contributions ... Yes more frequently than given credit for. Is he prone to defensive aberrations ... 100% Yes. Summary no left back.

I think he and the team would benefit from more consistency. Out of possession they are poor, and in particular Joe Bryan although Smith recently did an impression of a junior player turning his back on the ball running away from it. Press, screen, get compact ... At ties they go into all sorts. This is to myself is a team not knowing what they are and being comfortable with roles ... Been going on most of this year ... Awful. as a team.

Shouldn't Section 82 be supporting the plyers? You are undermining one. Collectively Section 82 you support but individually you coat off players on the net. Righto ...

 

 

 

I support the club and the players. When at the game I will sing myself hoarse in support of the team. I will join in with as many Joe Bryan songs as there are and will do so with great gusto - you know me and you know that. 

That is my role as a fan and my role in the collective of S82. Outside of that I am entitled to a personal opinion - I do not have to have my opinions dictated by my association with a supportive group / area. 

If you think I should cease to have an individual opinion on matters I'd suggest you are worthy of a place on our North Korean board :-) 

Anyway, re Bryan. I support him when he plays, but it's my opinion (which you are entitled to disagree with) that he has been by far our weakest player this season. It is also my opinion that if we had signed him from another club he would be getting pelters regularly, but as he is one of our own he gets more slack than most. 

[1953]

Korey Smith.....253 career games and 2 goals, yet he's the goalscoring machine to have up front while Matty Taylor sits on the bench. What is Johnson saving him for? Or is he just plain dumb?

[NOTBLUE]

5 minutes ago, 1953 said:

Korey Smith.....253 career games and 2 goals, yet he's the goalscoring machine to have up front while Matty Taylor sits on the bench. What is Johnson saving him for? Or is he just plain dumb?

Exactly what we were saying last night,and the other player trying to forward of a Wilbs was Booby Reid,you couldn't make it up.

[NickJ]

2 hours ago, Harry said:

I support the club and the players. When at the game I will sing myself hoarse in support of the team. I will join in with as many Joe Bryan songs as there are and will do so with great gusto - you know me and you know that. 

That is my role as a fan and my role in the collective of S82. Outside of that I am entitled to a personal opinion - I do not have to have my opinions dictated by my association with a supportive group / area. 

If you think I should cease to have an individual opinion on matters I'd suggest you are worthy of a place on our North Korean board :-) 

Anyway, re Bryan. I support him when he plays, but it's my opinion (which you are entitled to disagree with) that he has been by far our weakest player this season. It is also my opinion that if we had signed him from another club he would be getting pelters regularly, but as he is one of our own he gets more slack than most. 

Definitely think your support in the Atyeo is more impressive than your analysis of players mate. Joe gives more than you realize, IMO.

But it's all about opinions.....

...... mine is never mind the players Johnson is taking us down.

[Cowshed]

17 hours ago, Harry said:

I support the club and the players. When at the game I will sing myself hoarse in support of the team. I will join in with as many Joe Bryan songs as there are and will do so with great gusto - you know me and you know that. 

That is my role as a fan and my role in the collective of S82. Outside of that I am entitled to a personal opinion - I do not have to have my opinions dictated by my association with a supportive group / area. 

If you think I should cease to have an individual opinion on matters I'd suggest you are worthy of a place on our North Korean board :-) 

Anyway, re Bryan. I support him when he plays, but it's my opinion (which you are entitled to disagree with) that he has been by far our weakest player this season. It is also my opinion that if we had signed him from another club he would be getting pelters regularly, but as he is one of our own he gets more slack than most. 

In this thread you can barely acknowledge (?) Joe Bryan does play well at this level. Virtually every time you mention Joe Bryan you put in the one of our own barb, in my opinion Joe Bryan gets cut less slack because he is not bought in.

I was under a misconception regarding Section 82. Its a bit sing when your winning and selective. Put the flags away when it goes a bit sour, and criticise the players.

[redapple]

On 07/03/2017 at 23:03, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Wilbs will be coach another job for the boys.

I'm not so sure that he wilb ee. I saw him out socialising with Luke Freeman and Joe Bryan a little while back ( mid January). That suggests to me that he's not in with the hierarchy,  being as Freeman fell out with LJ and Bryan is big friends with Wes Burns, and all are very much Steve Cotterill's lads.