Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 I just watched the highlights of the Wigan game and it never featured one BCFC tackle, I am supposing that the highlights showed every good Wigan chance? and not one tackle, plenty of backing off and backing off some more, not getting close to an opponent and not doing enough to stop crosses coming in. But hey it's no different to all of the past 5 months (although 3 very welcome points). is it a tactic?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Reduces the number of pens conceded or free kicks on the edge of the area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady bunch Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Gary O Neil in particular made one very crunching tackle early on that was so loud I thought it was certain to leave broken bones!, he limped a bit for a while, but pressed on. Flint also was positive and came and won everything that was high, but Wigan were very poor, so not many tackles had to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 One thing I noticed when seeing some fans videos from behind the goal on facebook........with the corner leading up to the goal, we had at least 4 players outside the box, 3 of which were marking nobody towards the centre circle! I appreciate we've got done a few times on the counter this season but 3 players marking nobody when you desperately need a goal/win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Reduces the number of pens conceded or free kicks on the edge of the area? That we would be ok if the player was close to their opponent, standing off 6 feet away is a bit extreme and also most of Wigan's moves shown in the highlights started on the halfway line. 4 minutes ago, brady bunch said: Gary O Neil in particular made one very crunching tackle early on that was so loud I thought it was certain to leave broken bones!, he limped a bit for a while, but pressed on. Flint also was positive and came and won everything that was high, but Wigan were very poor, so not many tackles had to be made. of course there must have been tackles during the match but not a one for what the highlights editor considered to be Wigan's best chances, I think that is a huge worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Could you change the title to: Lowlights v Wigan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 minute ago, cityloyal473 said: Could you change the title to: Lowlights v Wigan? That's me being positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, RedRaw said: One thing I noticed when seeing some fans videos from behind the goal on facebook........with the corner leading up to the goal, we had at least 4 players outside the box, 3 of which were marking nobody towards the centre circle! I appreciate we've got done a few times on the counter this season but 3 players marking nobody when you desperately need a goal/win? Yet conversely we have all 10 outfield players back for defending corners! Leaving no-one up the pitch for potential counter-attacks. Baffling tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Yet conversely we have all 10 outfield players back for defending corners! Leaving no-one up the pitch for potential counter-attacks. Baffling tactics. Baffling indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Baffling indeed. I'm not knocking Matty Taylor's defensive prowess but surely it would be best to potentially use his pace in a counter attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: I'm not knocking Matty Taylor's defensive prowess but surely it would be best to potentially use his pace in a counter attack? We did for the most part leave Taylor up (and then Tomlin after Taylor went off) when defending corners on Saturday. But I have tired of watching us have the entire team in our own penalty area, clearing it and it coming straight back for most the season. Also whilst I know that it is generally the full backs that provide cover on the halfway line when you have a corner- I cannot for the life of me understand why Joey is not in the box as he one of the best in the air we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 38 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: I'm not knocking Matty Taylor's defensive prowess but surely it would be best to potentially use his pace in a counter attack? That would be a great idea against Huddersfield, because they like to press high up the pitch. Utilising pace on the counter was something that we failed to do at the Johns Smiths Stadium, due to poor passing and support, despite a number of good opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: That would be a great idea against Huddersfield, because they like to press high up the pitch. Utilising pace on the counter was something that we failed to do at the Johns Smiths Stadium, due to poor passing and support, despite a number of good opportunities. I watched Wigan win at Huddersfield earlier in the season and they attacked Hudds on the counter very successfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellspokenman Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 57 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Yet conversely we have all 10 outfield players back for defending corners! Leaving no-one up the pitch for potential counter-attacks. Baffling tactics. Good word, Baffling. Yet another one to add to the LJ signpost of ineptitudes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't we win this crucial match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesleywalksoncider Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Totally agree EMB. I think that reflects that we are a team completely void of confidence, I've noticed for a while now if the opposing team come through midfield we back off more concerned about being in position rather than the player who misses the tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 hour ago, RedRaw said: One thing I noticed when seeing some fans videos from behind the goal on facebook........with the corner leading up to the goal, we had at least 4 players outside the box, 3 of which were marking nobody towards the centre circle! I appreciate we've got done a few times on the counter this season but 3 players marking nobody when you desperately need a goal/win? To be fair, against Norwich and Burton on a couple of corners Bailey Wright came from very deep very late and wasn't picked up - maybe not that bad a tactic (as long as they do eventually run in!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 2 hours ago, RedRaw said: One thing I noticed when seeing some fans videos from behind the goal on facebook........with the corner leading up to the goal, we had at least 4 players outside the box, 3 of which were marking nobody towards the centre circle! I appreciate we've got done a few times on the counter this season but 3 players marking nobody when you desperately need a goal/win? Well, evidently we didn't need those 3 players in the box, so better safe etc I guess. We did score from it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 hour ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't we win this crucial match? We did although through reading reports from people there, it wasn't down to the tactical nous or game changing decisions made by the head coach.....we were dreadful The point I made was about the efficacy of having at least 4 players out of the scope of play and marking no Wigan players when attacking a corner in the last few minutes in a which was pretty much a must win game. Yes we scored and yes we won but this is a sticky plaster to cover the overall ineptness of Johnson's tactical know-how and coaching ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 hour ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't we win this crucial match? Have you heard of the infinite monkey theorem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, RedRaw said: We did although through reading reports from people there, it wasn't down to the tactical nous or game changing decisions made by the head coach.....we were dreadful The point I made was about the efficacy of having at least 4 players out of the scope of play and marking no Wigan players when attacking a corner in the last few minutes in a which was pretty much a must win game. Yes we scored and yes we won but this is a sticky plaster to cover the overall ineptness of Johnson's tactical know-how and coaching ability I'm pretty neutral about the whole LJ debate, mainly because nothing I think will make any difference and therefore not worth getting worked up over. However, it does seem sometimes like people have decided he'll get the blame whatever! I'm quite sure that if we'd left one on one back, and then got caught on the break and lost, he'd have been blamed for that too. And breaking from deep is something Wigan do. If every time we win/score it's down to luck or a mistake, but every time we lose/concede it's down to our tactics then it all becomes a bit of a futile argument. Yes we were poor, but we still had to win. The Wigan fans I spoke to after the game credited us with a much more determined and positive approach than them to the last 10 minutes, and felt we deserved our win on that basis. That was a tactical decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 37 minutes ago, italian dave said: I'm pretty neutral about the whole LJ debate, mainly because nothing I think will make any difference and therefore not worth getting worked up over. However, it does seem sometimes like people have decided he'll get the blame whatever! I never wanted him but was willing to give him a go however based on the last 6/7 months want him well away from our club. My feelings are based on not believing he had the right credentials for the job in hand and him providing evidence of that over the course of the season. I fully accept that regardless of what happens over the next 9 games, he will be here now until the end of the season, however, be in no doubt he is to blame for the position we are in and ultimately if we get relegated. I'm quite sure that if we'd left one on one back, and then got caught on the break and lost, he'd have been blamed for that too. And breaking from deep is something Wigan do. Under the circumstances, leaving two at the back with runners ready would have been sufficient meaning you would have 8 in and around the box as opposed to 6 in the box against 11. It may well have worked Saturday but as a tactic it will fail the vast majority of times. If every time we win/score it's down to luck or a mistake, but every time we lose/concede it's down to our tactics then it all becomes a bit of a futile argument. Over the course of a season, a coach's ability in picking teams, formations, tactics will provide the applicable results with the sprinkle of good/bad luck along the way. Since October, the number and manner of defeats and the number and manner of wins (wins but very poor performances against Rotherham and Wigan) provides a pretty compelling argument Yes we were poor, but we still had to win. The Wigan fans I spoke to after the game credited us with a much more determined and positive approach than them to the last 10 minutes, and felt we deserved our win on that basis. That was a tactical decision. Determined and positive approach? A poor game between two dire sides and a scrambled goal in the last few minutes appears to be the view from most City fans there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 If there is one thing we did well on Saturday, it was tackling. Everyone puts shift in. There were lots of things to find fault with, but tackling definitely not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 6 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: I'm not knocking Matty Taylor's defensive prowess but surely it would be best to potentially use his pace in a counter attack? I suspect he is the next candidate for LJ's naughty step before banishment and re programming before surprise inclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 6 hours ago, RedRaw said: Determined and positive approach? A poor game between two dire sides and a scrambled goal in the last few minutes appears to be the view from most City fans there Wigan fans' words, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 9 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't we win this crucial match? Just because Wigan weren't good enough to take advantage of our mistakes doesn't mean the likes of Huddersfield won't punish us. We've dropped off way to much all season and it's one of the reasons we are where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyolly Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 8 hours ago, italian dave said: I'm pretty neutral about the whole LJ debate, mainly because nothing I think will make any difference and therefore not worth getting worked up over. However, it does seem sometimes like people have decided he'll get the blame whatever! I'm quite sure that if we'd left one on one back, and then got caught on the break and lost, he'd have been blamed for that too. And breaking from deep is something Wigan do. If every time we win/score it's down to luck or a mistake, but every time we lose/concede it's down to our tactics then it all becomes a bit of a futile argument. Yes we were poor, but we still had to win. The Wigan fans I spoke to after the game credited us with a much more determined and positive approach than them to the last 10 minutes, and felt we deserved our win on that basis. That was a tactical decision. What gives you the right to come on here and present a rational argument, to think attending the game gives your viewpoint any credibility whatsoever and then take the time to gauge the views of some Wigan fans? People like you give football fans a bad name. Hang your head in shame.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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