Robin101 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Could this be an option? Appeared to do very well there this season when asked to. And look to strengthen midfield, or hope Pack/Hegeler suffice in that defensive position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Not for me. We need a proper RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Fairly sure that LJ has raised this with Korey before. Telling him he might go further in the game at right back type of thing. But Korey sees himself as a midfielder. So unless the player buys into it, it's only ever going to be a stop gap position for him. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 He can do a job at right back, but that would mean we'd miss his presence in midfield and he's a key player there in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Difficult. To put Korey there you would have to find a better midfielder than him or it would be pointless making him move, and Korey when fit is pretty high up the midfielder rankings I think. I too think we should go out and get a proper LB, don't know how Moore has been but he has been playing there as mentioned, if not it's a position we need to fill properly not patch up. What is it with managers and midfielders, and midfielders not wanting to be defenders. Now Korey, we previously tried it with Joe. The only one we got right was Orr, we want to find another Bradley somewhere. I don't think we've ever replaced him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, RedM said: Difficult. To put Korey there you would have to find a better midfielder than him or it would be pointless making him move, and Korey when fit is pretty high up the midfielder rankings I think. I too think we should go out and get a proper LB, don't know how Moore has been but he has been playing there as mentioned, if not it's a position we need to fill properly not patch up. What is it with managers and midfielders, and midfielders not wanting to be defenders. Now Korey, we previously tried it with Joe. The only one we got right was Orr, we want to find another Bradley somewhere. I don't think we've ever replaced him. What ? A wholehearted but limited player who got by on energy and attitude ? We have just let that replacement go . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Phantom Posted May 18, 2017 Admin Share Posted May 18, 2017 Would say a no for me Started off ok there - but at Blackburn for example when switching back there struggled badly He's no Bradley Orr (switching from CM to RB) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakes Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Korey is not a right back got exposed big time at Brentford away. Done well as a stop gap for one game at home. Central midfield is his position was back to somewhere near his best at the end of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Move our best midfielder into a less important position? No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 No from me! Dont need square pegs in round holes! Proper old school right back needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: What ? A wholehearted but limited player who got by on energy and attitude ? We have just let that replacement go . Not from me we didn't. Fair enough Orr's success and appeal was helped by his attitude towards the fans and his relationship he had with us, more similar to Flinty than Little I think. Little never developed that side of himself. He also unfortunately was blighted by injuries, long term stuff usually not the little niggles that make players miss a match or two. Too big a risk to keep him and make him our main RB Wasnt part of Tomlin signing here because he was best mates with Little, wonder if that changes anything for him now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Spoons said: No from me! Dont need square pegs in round holes! Proper old school right back needed. And left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 hour ago, bakes said: Korey is not a right back got exposed big time at Brentford away. Done well as a stop gap for one game at home. Central midfield is his position was back to somewhere near his best at the end of season. as did wright and flint and pack and cotts, just about every player that day because they were all shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Don Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 hour ago, bakes said: Korey is not a right back got exposed big time at Brentford away. Done well as a stop gap for one game at homh Central midfield is his position was back to somewhere near his best at the end of season. Did very well away at Wigan also but we need a RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, RedM said: Not from me we didn't. Fair enough Orr's success and appeal was helped by his attitude towards the fans and his relationship he had with us, more similar to Flinty than Little I think. Little never developed that side of himself. He also unfortunately was blighted by injuries, long term stuff usually not the little niggles that make players miss a match or two. Too big a risk to keep him and make him our main RB Wasnt part of Tomlin signing here because he was best mates with Little, wonder if that changes anything for him now? Yes it crossed my mind ref Tomlin. On Smith, who is easier to replace a RB or the role Smith will vacate in the middle if he plays there? im hoping there will be a few break throughs next season from the Academy u23 next season that is the plan right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 About time we addressed the full back positions properly with hard and decent £££££ Full backs have become pivotal in the modern game and are rightly IMHO priority positions for a lot of sides sides with two good full backs tend to be ..... good sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: About time we addressed the full back positions properly with hard and decent £££££ Full backs have become pivotal in the modern game and are rightly IMHO priority positions for a lot of sides sides with two good full backs tend to be ..... good sides Interesting that Golbourne seems to have dropped out of the debate. i thought he was going to be the sound defensive left back we needed - as an alternative to an attack minded player like JB. However, I think he's been a disappointment, principally because his instincts are SO cautious that his first touch almost always stifles any forward momentum as he turns to face the keeper. In contrast my first thoughts on Hegeler (moving away from the full back discussion) were that he always seemed to control the ball & look to move forward with the same first touch. I think he'll come good again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Two proper full backs should be priority one. Not makeshift 'can do a job there'. Its one of the most important positions in modern football and you have to be blind to not see that having no good full backs has cost us tens of goals this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 29 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: About time we addressed the full back positions properly with hard and decent £££££ Full backs have become pivotal in the modern game and are rightly IMHO priority positions for a lot of sides sides with two good full backs tend to be ..... good sides Could not agree more. The modern game tends to require FB's that can be part of a 4, can also be wing backs / centre back if you switch to a 3 AND also provide the width if you play a 3 in midfield. So, need to be versatile and very mobile = hard to find AND expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Ive said it for a while that I don't think we are physically tough enough, especially in some areas. RB & LB is one of those areas. Team know they can pressure us in those positions and too many times it was exploited and they found their way through. So we need to attack more when we have the ball from all areas, and defend like their lives depend on it when under pressure. Quality in these positions are a must, build from the back instead of worrying about the defence collapsing. This will free up the midfield to be more creative as more often than not they have to help out with defending too much, and when you have players like Tomlin who doesn't do his fair whack everybody is under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I'd rather we kept our 2 best central midfielders together, and signed an actual right back. Definitely look to invest in both full back positions as a priority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WECANDO Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Give me Pack over Smith every time. He moves the ball quicker and more often forwards rather than sideways and back and is more mobile. Pack also has a far superior long range passing ability. Add Packs undoubted superior heading ability and you have the better player in that defensive midfield position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Super said: And left back. Martin Scott! Now that's a left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 We've been poor on both flanks for a while . Smith was dreadful at Brentford as was Flint and Wright who were statues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Spoons said: Martin Scott! Now that's a left back. Loved old Scotty especially when he had Mark Walters in his pocket at Anfield. My favourite though has to be Darren Barnard, what a player he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: Loved old Scotty especially when he had Mark Walters in his pocket at Anfield. My favourite though has to be Darren Barnard, what a player he was. Though Scotty was the best all round left back we've had - defensively and offensively - Was good enough defensively to play as a Centre Back if needed Barnard , Brennan , Bell , Bailey all top quality too mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Just now, BobBobSuperBob said: Though Scotty was the best all round left back we've had - defensively and offensively - Was good enough defensively to play as a Centre Back if needed Barnard , Brennan , Bell , Bailey all top quality too mind We have been blessed in that position down the years haven`t we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Just now, Red Right Hand said: We have been blessed in that position down the years haven`t we? Havnt we ever - our strongest position over the years ? Some clubs always seem to have good keepers , or right wingers or whatever Our stellar position has to be left back I reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatn Over Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 4 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: Two proper full backs should be priority one. Not makeshift 'can do a job there'. Its one of the most important positions in modern football and you have to be blind to not see that having no good full backs has cost us tens of goals this season. Completely agree. Two solid "masters of their trade" full backs has to be a priority displaying the following. (1) Positional accuracy (not getting caught out by an average Joe wide opposition player) (2) Cut out the through passes or tackle and win the ball then distribute to the play makers of the team. Job done until they come again. Korey is a great lad but not the answer at RB going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 9 hours ago, RedM said: Difficult. To put Korey there you would have to find a better midfielder than him or it would be pointless making him move, and Korey when fit is pretty high up the midfielder rankings I think. I too think we should go out and get a proper LB, don't know how Moore has been but he has been playing there as mentioned, if not it's a position we need to fill properly not patch up. What is it with managers and midfielders, and midfielders not wanting to be defenders. Now Korey, we previously tried it with Joe. The only one we got right was Orr, we want to find another Bradley somewhere. I don't think we've ever replaced him. Alan Dicks converted Gerry Sweeney from midfield to full back, Clive Whitehead from right wing to full back (later centre back) and Donnie Gillies from striker to full back, to considerable effect. Later on Keith Curle moved from winger to full back then to centre back, to even greater effect. So it can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redandy1 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 11 hours ago, Robin101 said: Could this be an option? Appeared to do very well there this season when asked to. And look to strengthen midfield, or hope Pack/Hegeler suffice in that defensive position. What a total waste that would be of a tremendous midfield player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 5 hours ago, shelts said: We've been poor on both flanks for a while . Smith was dreadful at Brentford as was Flint and Wright who were statues. It did feel like someone had nailed them to the pitch at times, that was a truly terrible defensive display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatn Over Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 58 minutes ago, chinapig said: Alan Dicks converted Gerry Sweeney from midfield to full back, Clive Whitehead from right wing to full back (later centre back) and Donnie Gillies from striker to full back, to considerable effect. Later on Keith Curle moved from winger to full back then to centre back, to even greater effect. So it can be done. Great names from the past all of these and yes it can always be done but the game has changed a lot since then, far more technical. I'm not convinced converting a player is that simple nowadays, just saying...but valid point you're making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 8 hours ago, chinapig said: Alan Dicks converted Gerry Sweeney from midfield to full back, Clive Whitehead from right wing to full back (later centre back) and Donnie Gillies from striker to full back, to considerable effect. Later on Keith Curle moved from winger to full back then to centre back, to even greater effect. So it can be done. No doubt it can be done, but whether it needs to be done when there are players who specialise in the role out there is another matter As a stop gap in the middle of the season for a match or two I'd agree with moving Korey, but when you have created a space by moving out a player like we have just done, get a round peg for the round hole! I didn't realise about the names you memtioned, only saw Curle play. Ah those were the days, great centre back pairing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Take our best midfielder and play him at right back. Next you'll be telling me we'll play our best left midfielder at left back. Whatever next. Duric at centre half because he's tall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 More valuable in midfield Horses for courses, square pegs in square holes, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 11 hours ago, chinapig said: Alan Dicks converted Gerry Sweeney from midfield to full back, Clive Whitehead from right wing to full back (later centre back) and Donnie Gillies from striker to full back, to considerable effect. Later on Keith Curle moved from winger to full back then to centre back, to even greater effect. So it can be done. The biggest change during AD's era was Ray Cashley from outfield player to, ultimately, First Division goalkeeper. Previously Terry Bush from centre forward to wing half. Going back even further, when I were a lad, men were men and women were grateful (old sexist joke), Portsmouth had a player called Jack Froggatt who alternated between centre-half and outside left for both Pompey and England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 7 hours ago, cidered abroad said: The biggest change during AD's era was Ray Cashley from outfield player to, ultimately, First Division goalkeeper. Previously Terry Bush from centre forward to wing half. Going back even further, when I were a lad, men were men and women were grateful (old sexist joke), Portsmouth had a player called Jack Froggatt who alternated between centre-half and outside left for both Pompey and England. Ah, Terry Bush. Talk about legs like tree trunks! I certainly saw him play in both positions as you say. A late friend used to work with him after he finished playing, for the TGWU I think, and said what a lovely man he was. Forgot about Ray being an outfield player. I didn't know that about Jack Froggatt either,thanks for the info. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 On 18/05/2017 at 16:59, shelts said: We've been poor on both flanks for a while . Smith was dreadful at Brentford as was Flint and Wright who were statues. I'd agree, we've never replaced Adam Locke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Dastardly and Muttley said: I'd agree, we've never replaced Adam Locke. Never replaced Stuart Munroe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 On 18/05/2017 at 13:11, Spoons said: No from me! Dont need square pegs in round holes! Proper old school right back needed. How dare you call "Pegs" square?? She'll be after you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT's Vaseline Tub Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 No chance as he's our lynchpin in centre mid.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 4 hours ago, chinapig said: Ah, Terry Bush. Talk about legs like tree trunks! I certainly saw him play in both positions as you say. A late friend used to work with him after he finished playing, for the TGWU I think, and said what a lovely man he was. Forgot about Ray being an outfield player. I didn't know that about Jack Froggatt either,thanks for the info. I Ahhh, the days of the bush. not sure I miss them that much in all honesty if we are talking about the same bush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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