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COACH2

COACH2

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Will the fracking idiots with smoke/flares go home it adds nothing to the enjoyment of people coughing and struggling to see

JulieH

JulieH

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Although not working today I understand from other officers that 2  Bcfc fans have been arrested for these smoke grenades.

no other details known at this stage but will update once more known.

hope everyone is ok

Mkelly

Mkelly

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There will be an instant ban for any fans caught with Pyros in the stadium.

please don't ruin what is otherwise a great atmosphere 

The Fat Controller

The Fat Controller

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8 minutes ago, Bobbie said:

What's the problem? I love it. Adds to the atmosphere. You reds 

 

2 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

Smoke and Pyro is fine and clearly not a problem abroad. It's great 

Set them off in your own house then not where others are forced to suffer then. 

Bowie

Bowie

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30 minutes ago, JulieH said:

Although not working today I understand from other officers that 2  Bcfc fans have been arrested for these smoke grenades.

no other details known at this stage but will update once more known.

hope everyone is ok

Good.

ban them.

Welcome To The Jungle

Welcome To The Jungle

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Just now, Chris_Brown said:

 

ibet thur own house then not where oparticularlythers are forced to suffer then. 

So why are they not a problem In other countries? Or are British Lungs perticularly sensitive? Much worse pours out the back of a car.

Ohbasso

Ohbasso

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18 minutes ago, Trueredsupporte said:

No place for it in a family friendly ground.

To be fair it's the kids that seem to like them the most.

054123

054123

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38 minutes ago, JulieH said:

Although not working today I understand from other officers that 2  Bcfc fans have been arrested for these smoke grenades.

no other details known at this stage but will update once more known.

hope everyone is ok

I immediately thought of the children.

Trueredsupporter

Trueredsupporter

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8 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

So why are they not a problem In other countries?

It does not matter about other Countries as they are illegal in stadiums here.  Illegal. and fans as well as BCFC Bristol Sport do not like them. If these wannabe Ultras like them so much go abroad.

UK0wnag3

UK0wnag3

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34 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

I bloody love the smoke... I've also got a breathing problem ... dont care love it

This... to a degree.

I would never attempt to speak for everyone but I suffer from Asthma as do other posters. 

Personally, a smoke bomb/ flare et al has never triggered my asthma in any way.

if you don't think they add to the atmosphere then I vehemently disagree - you've clearly never been "in" one.

Trueredsupporter

Trueredsupporter

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2 minutes ago, UK0wnag3 said:

This... to a degree.

I would never attempt to speak for everyone but I suffer from Asthma as do other posters. 

Personally, a smoke bomb/ flare et al has never triggered my asthma in any way.

if you don't think they add to the atmosphere then I vehemently disagree - you've clearly never been "in" one.

plenty of us remember what the ground was once like and how noisy it was. these wannabe ultra gimmicks were not part of it then and are not part of modern football either.

Phileas Fogg

Phileas Fogg

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I knew there'd be a thread moaning about this.. looks like it was posted whilst the game was going on too!

Obviously there was going to be that sort of thing today - people in high spirits being first day of the season, flag day and good weather means people will be drinking pretty early and in a boisterous mood. In my opinion it's a real shame that clubs/H&S is so draconian about it in this country. 

Would be good if they invented a version that gives off the colour but wasn't supposedly "hazardous" - water vapour maybe?

Think they're great personally and made the great atmosphere even better.

NickJ

NickJ

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2 hours ago, COACH2 said:

Will the fracking idiots with smoke/flares go home it adds nothing to the enjoyment of people coughing and struggling to see

It was colored smoke not mustard gas.

I think it adds to the atmosphere and don't understand why the club and the police have such a problem with it.

I certainly didn't see anyone coughing or struggling to see, and I did have a good look round as it drifted round the stadium.

In many stadiums abroad it would be unheard of not to have flares, everyone is so precious and PC and H&S to ridiculous extremes here it seems.

lenred

lenred

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We've had that fantastic performance today, best start to a season for a good while with a great atmosphere to boot and all some people want to take away from the day is the crime of a bit of red smoke being let off. Need to lighten up I reckon!  

Cowshed

Cowshed

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30 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

So why are they not a problem In other countries? Or are British Lungs perticularly sensitive? Much worse pours out the back of a car.

In other Countries there is an acceptance and tolerance due to long standing supporter culture. Long standing supporter cultures that do not, or barely exist here.

BS10 RED

BS10 RED

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I think it adds to the atmosphere, take away the pyro's you may as well take away the flags also and the singing section. Its all part of the package of modern football which i agree ain't great in all aspects but this adds to the experience. How many of us have slated teams like Fulham with there clappers things do we really wanna go down that route of being plain and boring.

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CHIPLEY RED

CHIPLEY RED

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I don't agree it added to the atmosphere at all.

What I can't understand is what security are doing letting this sort of device into the stadium. These flares are fairly harmless but if you can smuggle them in what else could get in. Maybe OTT but with recent terrorists attacks better safe than sorry.

redapple

redapple

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Looks good, adds to atmosphere, kids love it. Can anyone prove it's a health issue ? I was on other side of ground , but always looks good to me . 

Northern Red

Northern Red

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5 minutes ago, cityboy99 said:

I think it adds to the atmosphere, take away the pyro's you may as well take away the flags also and the singing section. Its all part of the package of modern football which i agree ain't great in all aspects but this adds to the experience. How many of us have slated teams like Fulham with there clappers things do we really wanna go down that route of being plain and boring.

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I don't have a problem with them but I struggle to follow this logic. 

adamski

adamski

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34 minutes ago, 054123 said:

I immediately thought of the children.

FFS, who are you Esthet Rantzen?

what's it got to do with Children??? 

Always an emotional excuse for those who wish to ban anything!!!!!

CHIPLEY RED

CHIPLEY RED

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5 minutes ago, cityboy99 said:

I think it adds to the atmosphere, take away the pyro's you may as well take away the flags also and the singing section. Its all part of the package of modern football which i agree ain't great in all aspects but this adds to the experience. How many of us have slated teams like Fulham with there clappers things do we really wanna go down that route of being plain and boring.

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Really !

 

Smoke bombs and flares are not common place in football in England and not part of a package in modern football.

BS10 RED

BS10 RED

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Just now, CHIPLEY RED said:

Really !

 

Smoke bombs and flares are not common place in football in England and not part of a package in modern football.

I think your wrong it happens week in week out up and down the country i bet somewhere there is pictures off them happening today. 

Cowshed

Cowshed

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7 minutes ago, cityboy99 said:

I think it adds to the atmosphere, take away the pyro's you may as well take away the flags also and the singing section. Its all part of the package of modern football which i agree ain't great in all aspects but this adds to the experience. How many of us have slated teams like Fulham with there clappers things do we really wanna go down that route of being plain and boring.

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Flags have been part of fan culture at Ashton Gate for a long time. Pyro is not.

A risk is the Club/Bristol Sport clamping down on flags and other elements because they associate them with what they consider to be something  anti social and negative. That has occurred before.

MC RISK77

MC RISK77

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Sitting not to far away from the new standing section today I was very impressed...great position for them to be in between south stand and dolman will no doubt encourage better atmosphere in both stands.

the noise they made was brilliant...the flags round the hoardings...great...I have always loved the palace ultra zone maybe we have started something similar today.

regardin the smoke bombs I am indifferent...can see they add to atmosphere but after the second goal it was a bit difficult to not cough.

great work from them all

 

Monkeh

Monkeh

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12 minutes ago, redapple said:

Looks good, adds to atmosphere, kids love it. Can anyone prove it's a health issue ? I was on other side of ground , but always looks good to me . 

They are illegal end off? Those letting them off are risking a life ban and a custodial sentence they add nothing and ruin it for others,

 

pongo88

pongo88

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1 hour ago, Bobbie said:

What's the problem? I love it. Adds to the atmosphere. You reds 

What's the problem? It's illegal to bring and set off flares in a football ground and they can cause problems for other people 

56 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

So why are they not a problem In other countries? Or are British Lungs perticularly sensitive? Much worse pours out the back of a car.

A lot is tolerated in other countries - eg racist chants - but that's irrelevant. It's what is legal and should be tolerated in this country that matters 

 Too many fan have the attitude "I can do what I want and **** the rest of you"

BRISTOL86

BRISTOL86

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1 hour ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

Smoke and Pyro is fine and clearly not a problem abroad. It's great 

Yeah really good fun for asthmatics mate. 

Still, as long as you're having fun, who cares about other people. 

Phileas Fogg

Phileas Fogg

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3 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

They are illegal end off? Those letting them off are risking a life ban and a custodial sentence they add nothing and ruin it for others,

And it's totally overkill that letting off a smoke bomb equals a ban AND a custodial sentence. They add to the atmosphere a great deal in my opinion, really hypes things up and it's a shame we're not more tolerant of them in this country.

NickJ

NickJ

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9 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

They are illegal end off? Those letting them off are risking a life ban and a custodial sentence they add nothing and ruin it for others,

 

Was anybody's day actually ruined by colored smoke?

BITW

BITW

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FWIW I have relitavly bad asthma and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Great result though we wouldn't be city if we didn't find something to moan about would we! 

1960maaan

1960maaan

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3 minutes ago, NickJ said:

Was anybody's day actually ruined by colored smoke?

I was a bit miffed when the blue one went off outside the Lions. 

Phileas Fogg

Phileas Fogg

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Just now, JamesBCFC said:

Smoke adds bugger all to the atmosphere.

Only time I have been at a ground where pyro of any sort added to the atmosphere was when it was the club who did it (Galatasaray). Even then the atmosphere was intense before the pyro and whether it actually added to it was debatable itself.

At City the only time I have been close to smoke let off it caused me discomfort- I do not have any health issues with breathing normally.

Disagree totally. Away games particularly they're great. 

I don't agree with things thrown on the pitch like in the link below, but this game (Charlton 08' which stands out as a particularly awesome away atmosphere) was undeniably enhanced by the pyro that night.

It's just a shame no-one has invented a 'safe' version that doesn't irritate anyone's breathing.

 

Monkeh

Monkeh

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12 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

And it's totally overkill that letting off a smoke bomb equals a ban AND a custodial sentence. They add to the atmosphere a great deal in my opinion, really hypes things up and it's a shame we're not more tolerant of them in this country.

No they don't, the atmosphere was better in the 80's and we didn't let that shot off then 

Phileas Fogg

Phileas Fogg

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Just now, Monkeh said:

No they don't, the atmosphere was better in the 80's and we didn't let that shot off then 

That's a straw man though Monkeh and you know it. This isn't about the 80s atmosphere vs today - that was influenced by many more factors.. demographic, being able to stand.. it's a whole different debate.

Another way to frame that would be, would the atmosphere have been better in the 80s with pyro? Almost definitely.

Redtucks

Redtucks

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1 hour ago, Bobbie said:

What's the problem? I love it. Adds to the atmosphere. You reds 

 

1 hour ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

Smoke and Pyro is fine and clearly not a problem abroad. It's great 

 

1 hour ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

I bloody love the smoke... I've also got a breathing problem ... dont care love it

So the same attitude as standing in front of others who wish to be seated.

I'll do what I want, and **** everyone else???

 

South Somerset Red

South Somerset Red

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I have a mate who has asthma and we have been to two stone roses concerts in the last year. Now if any of you have been to one you will know how much smoke gets set of there, anyway he never struggled to breath. I love smoke bombs always ramps up the sound. Why are concerts allowed them but not football?

redapple

redapple

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33 minutes ago, Super said:

Are the ones defending this about ten years old?

Nearly 53 actually . Can't see the problem. Why are they banned ? If they are dangerous to life and health then fair enough , but the only reason I have seen put forward is that they're anti-social . I'd beg to differ, I'd say a football stadium is the right place especially when a majority of people in that section enjoy match day for an experience as much as the football. 

Im an old fart in the Lansdown but it looks great and people seem to be enjoying themselves. Can't be having that . Here's for a few more top performances like the first half today and some more happy supporters.

Super

Super

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Just now, redapple said:

Nearly 53 actually . Can't see the problem. Why are they banned ? If they are dangerous to life and health then fair enough , but the only reason I have seen put forward is that they're anti-social . I'd beg to differ, I'd say a football stadium is the right place especially when a majority of people in that section enjoy match day for an experience as much as the football. 

Im an old fart in the Lansdown but it looks great and people seem to be enjoying themselves. Can't be having that . Here's for a few more top performances like the first half today and some more happy supporters.

Embarrassing.

054123

054123

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Just now, redapple said:

Nearly 53 actually . Can't see the problem. Why are they banned ? If they are dangerous to life and health then fair enough , but the only reason I have seen put forward is that they're anti-social . I'd beg to differ, I'd say a football stadium is the right place especially when a majority of people in that section enjoy match day for an experience as much as the football. 

Im an old fart in the Lansdown but it looks great and people seem to be enjoying themselves. Can't be having that . Here's for a few more top performances like the first half today and some more happy supporters.

You haven't thought about the children.

Red-Robbo

Red-Robbo

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1 hour ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

So why are they not a problem In other countries? Or are British Lungs perticularly sensitive? Much worse pours out the back of a car.

In German stadiums they have areas behind the main banks of seats where flares can be safely lit. 

054123

054123

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Just now, Red-Robbo said:

In German stadiums they have areas behind the main banks of seats where flares can be safely lit. 

How sensible.

Super

Super

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Just now, BITW said:

Did it ruin your day?

No i just thought how pathetic it was.

Mkelly

Mkelly

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The pitch is heavily invested in to ensure a high quality playing surface, my grounds team worked 14 hours today and will do the same tomorrow 

See the picture below.  Not only does it ruin the integrity of the pitch it's also a massive risk if landed on a child.

we are very much encouraging atmosphere and whole heartily suppprt section 82 and are working close with them to create something special 

we have identified the guys who threw the flare and can assure you that they will be banned and prosecuted 

Mark 

 

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WolfOfWestStreet

WolfOfWestStreet

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Just now, Mkelly said:

The pitch is heavily invested in to ensure a high quality playing surface, my grounds team worked 14 hours today and will do the same tomorrow 

See the picture below.  Not only does it ruin the integrity of the pitch it's also a massive risk if landed on a child.

we are very much encouraging atmosphere and whole heartily suppprt section 82 and are working close with them to create something special 

we have identified the guys who threw the flare and can assure you that they will be banned and prosecuted 

Mark 

 

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Banned and prosecuted? Come on Mark

054123

054123

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I really don't see the problem.

I agree you should necessarily throw them, but then you shouldn't fell like you have to.

South Somerset Red

South Somerset Red

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3 minutes ago, Mkelly said:

The pitch is heavily invested in to ensure a high quality playing surface, my grounds team worked 14 hours today and will do the same tomorrow 

See the picture below.  Not only does it ruin the integrity of the pitch it's also a massive risk if landed on a child.

we are very much encouraging atmosphere and whole heartily suppprt section 82 and are working close with them to create something special 

we have identified the guys who threw the flare and can assure you that they will be banned and prosecuted 

Mark 

 

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Best ban slide tackles 

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