Would Bristol Sport do this?

[Cowshed]

16 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

All revenue: gate money, sponsorship, anticipated prize money. 

It underlines quite how farcical it is to equate men and women's professional football.  There really is no comparison.

You can only pay your salaries out of your revenues which are booger all for the women's game so calls for any kind of pay equality are a nonsense.

The figure of 28k is hardly believable ... If true it underlines how poorly somebody was shamelessly doing their job. Western league and junior clubs bring in more than that on gates of less than fifty/having no paying fans.

In Lewes case their gates are low, and the club will have to work extremely hard to bring additional funding into the club. It is not an argument to not fund the females team in the same manner as the males because that can only hinder their progress. By positioning the club as they have they can raise money beyond the turnstile, and use their position as a club that is clearly community focused to their advantage.

[sephjnr]

It's a rotten snake eating itself - perception that women can't play football > Lower gates > less revenue > lower pay > lower standard > lower perception.

This is improving but slowly and nowhere near as fast as people like. Plus if we take Neymar, Costa, Ronaldo etc. as shining examples of what footballers should be paid, the standard they perform at and are expected to perform at then TBF women's footy is better off nearer to as it is now.

[Welcome To The Jungle]

40 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

There are loads of clubs and anyone who wants a game can find one. What you appeared to be saying earlier is that BCFC should have teams at every level of every sector. That is totally unneccessary in my view.

Agree to disagree.

But Bristol City should be the elite teams that represent the City. We should have the best the city can offer. It shouldn't provide teams for everyone. I'm not demanding to play for a Bristol City funded side, I play for my own team. However if I was the best young female player in Bristol, I'd want an opportunity to represent my City. That is important and every football club should be looking to engage many young people to get into the game however, and although that may not be through direct coaching and providing teams, it has to inspire. Womens football should be provided, even if at a slight loss to keep Bristol inspired by its football.

[Davefevs]

4 hours ago, JBFC II said:

Steph Houghton, the England captain, is payed 55k a year, that means that the average City womens player would be paid 30k a year I would guess, to increase this to about 300k a year with the same sized crowds and same revenue would make no business sense whatsoever

I'd be amazed if the average salary for our ladies is anywhere near that (£30k).

 

[Natchfever]

1 hour ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

But Bristol City should be the elite teams that represent the City. We should have the best the city can offer. It shouldn't provide teams for everyone. I'm not demanding to play for a Bristol City funded side, I play for my own team. However if I was the best young female player in Bristol, I'd want an opportunity to represent my City. That is important and every football club should be looking to engage many young people to get into the game however, and although that may not be through direct coaching and providing teams, it has to inspire. Womens football should be provided, even if at a slight loss to keep Bristol inspired by its football.

Bristol City has a premier league womrens football team which is more elite in standing than our mens team. That doesn't appear to have inspired many to go watch them though to be honest, which is surprising as there appears to be a lot of support for the womens game, although maybe via the keyboard than actually going and supporting it physically..

if the club wants to recruit the elite from every age group of female football then who do they play and how does that affect the teams they are stripping the best players from? Genuine question because I dont know if other local or not so local professional teams run junior sides. If they do then ok if they dont the alternative is to play against local club sides, smash them 12-0 and put young players off going against them again. That scenario would hardly be inspirational at all.

Again a genuine question, but does Bristol/South Glos/BANES not have representative school sides? They certainly should treat both genders the same so I would hope so, and that is where the best would find themselves playing at a younger age.

I firmly believe that the club should do all it can to engage with the community and get them playing or show an interest in football  and that could include more specialist training for talented players,but doesn't have to mean representative sides for every section of society which seems to have been promoted elsewhere in this thread, whether that is by gender, age, disability, ethnicity, whatever. The club runs the existing academy at a loss, with the hope of finding a few gems along the way, so they are used to loss making, and that shouldn't interfere with community related initiatives anyway, certainly whilst we have a wealthy backer.

 

[Cowshed]

35 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Bristol City has a premier league womrens football team which is more elite in standing than our mens team. That doesn't appear to have inspired many to go watch them though to be honest, which is surprising as there appears to be a lot of support for the womens game, although maybe via the keyboard than actually going and supporting it physically..

if the club wants to recruit the elite from every age group of female football then who do they play and how does that affect the teams they are stripping the best players from? Genuine question because I dont know if other local or not so local professional teams run junior sides. If they do then ok if they dont the alternative is to play against local club sides, smash them 12-0 and put young players off going against them again. That scenario would hardly be inspirational at all.

Again a genuine question, but does Bristol/South Glos/BANES not have representative school sides? They certainly should treat both genders the same so I would hope so, and that is where the best would find themselves playing at a younger age.

I firmly believe that the club should do all it can to engage with the community and get them playing or show an interest in football  and that could include more specialist training for talented players,but doesn't have to mean representative sides for every section of society which seems to have been promoted elsewhere in this thread, whether that is by gender, age, disability, ethnicity, whatever. The club runs the existing academy at a loss, with the hope of finding a few gems along the way, so they are used to loss making, and that shouldn't interfere with community related initiatives anyway, certainly whilst we have a wealthy backer.

 

Bristol City has a premier league womrens football team which is more elite ... It is not elitist. It is representative of BCFC and its community. From the female teams playing in the JPL and Community trust there is a pathway into that side.

You are basing your idea of what a football club is via footfall watching an XI v participation in its parts e.g. disabilities teams, kids, females ...

if the club wants to recruit the elite from every age group of female football then who do they play and how does that affect the teams they are stripping the best players from?

No. Players will join the best. That is the elite, that is what Junior clubs should want for their players, but what about those who are in between? That is where BCFC can step in. What about kids who do not want to play in competitive football and want to have fun? The Community trust can work in that area. Additional training for kids via junior clubs who cannot get pitches / do not have the resources? That is a lot of them. Again the Community trust can work in that area ... It is additional training. Its creating a FC that is community centred and representative.

The football camps at SBSC are an asset to BCFC and its community - Further them. 

City's have females teams in the JPL league who are v other JPL teams (males), but they also play for their club sides. BCFC is working in unison with clubs there.

I firmly believe that the club should do all it can to engage with the community and get them playing or show an interest in football  and that could include more specialist training for talented players,but doesn't have to mean representative sides for every section of society which seems to have been promoted elsewhere in this thread, whether that is by gender, age, disability, ethnicity, whatever.

The above is contradictory. Bristol City already run teams for those with disabilities, different genders, the Community Trust is a charity, that is engagement ... You want to rid the FC of this!

 

 

 

[Natchfever]

18 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Bristol City has a premier league womrens football team which is more elite ... It is not elitist. It is representative of BCFC and its community. From the female teams playing in the JPL and Community trust there is a pathway into that side.

You are basing your idea of what a football club is via footfall watching an XI v participation in its parts e.g. disabilities teams, kids, females ...

if the club wants to recruit the elite from every age group of female football then who do they play and how does that affect the teams they are stripping the best players from?

No. Players will join the best. That is the elite, that is what Junior clubs should want for their players, but what about those who are in between? That is where BCFC can step in. What about kids who do not want to play in competitive football and want to have fun? The Community trust can work in that area. Additional training for kids via junior clubs who cannot get pitches / do not have the resources? That is a lot of them. Again the Community trust can work in that area ... It is additional training. Its creating a FC that is community centred and representative.

The football camps at SBSC are an asset to BCFC and its community - Further them. 

City's have females teams in the JPL league who are v other JPL teams (males), but they also play for their club sides. BCFC is working in unison with clubs there.

I firmly believe that the club should do all it can to engage with the community and get them playing or show an interest in football  and that could include more specialist training for talented players,but doesn't have to mean representative sides for every section of society which seems to have been promoted elsewhere in this thread, whether that is by gender, age, disability, ethnicity, whatever.

The above is contradictory. Bristol City already run teams for those with disabilities, different genders, the Community Trust is a charity, that is engagement ... You want to rid the FC of this!

 

 

 

Sorry but you are on such a crusade you dont appear to appreciate that my involvement in this thread was prompted by  Welcome to the jungles earlier post where she said

"lets not forget we are a football club, not a football team. That means that we should have a mens first team, a womens first team, a walking football team, youth teams for both genders, fans teams etc etc. Bristol City should be about everyone, not just the XI men on the pitch"

I simply do not believe it is sustainable or beneficial for there to be a Bristol City team for everyone. I am not advocating stripping away what is in place. I am advocating increasing the clubs engagement with the community. It is not however necessary in my opinion to have representative sides to the extent promoted by WTTJ.

[Cowshed]

8 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Sorry but you are on such a crusade you dont appear to appreciate that my involvement in this thread was prompted by  Welcome to the jungles earlier post where she said

"lets not forget we are a football club, not a football team. That means that we should have a mens first team, a womens first team, a walking football team, youth teams for both genders, fans teams etc etc. Bristol City should be about everyone, not just the XI men on the pitch"

I simply do not believe it is sustainable or beneficial for there to be a Bristol City team for everyone. I am not advocating stripping away what is in place. I am advocating increasing the clubs engagement with the community. It is not however necessary in my opinion to have representative sides to the extent promoted by WTTJ.

The highlighted view is one that I agree with wholly.

If you are advocating furthering engagement with the community that can be done via furthering representative sides as WTTJ points out. It is healthy and can be supported and can be sustained. Often what is being done is individuals who are employed by the Community trust/BCFC are multi tasking and working for both, coaching for both. The Community trust also offers partnerships that are purchased by clubs and schools etc.

These costs are absorbed and no drain on resources ... It has nada effect on the XI which loses the FC money hand over fist.

 

[Natchfever]

51 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

The highlighted view is one that I agree with wholly.

If you are advocating furthering engagement with the community that can be done via furthering representative sides as WTTJ points out. It is healthy and can be supported and can be sustained. Often what is being done is individuals who are employed by the Community trust/BCFC are multi tasking and working for both, coaching for both. The Community trust also offers partnerships that are purchased by clubs and schools etc.

These costs are absorbed and no drain on resources ... It has nada effect on the XI which loses the FC money hand over fist.

 

Who are the new teams, being the elite of the area going to play ? - genuine question Cowshed.

[Cowshed]

45 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Who are the new teams, being the elite of the area going to play ? - genuine question Cowshed.

The Community trust via its training sessions based in and around in various centres did start playing friendlies against junior clubs. This was part of BCFC's player pathway (trust - academy and possibly on) and the clubs five pillars. This part of that pathway and its centres appears to have been abandoned.

https://juniorpremierleague.com/clubs/

The teams playing in the above are not elite. They cater for kids between junior and academy level. Those teams run in unison with normal junior club football.

City could also opt for development centres that do not play in the JPL and play in friendlies/tournaments v development centres.  

 

[pillred]

17 hours ago, allyolly said:

Just to deflect some thinking from the Flint/Fielding/Is it too early for LJ out threads...

A bold move from Lewes FC 

god how I hate political correctness, positive discrimination etc etc.

[Natchfever]

21 hours ago, Cowshed said:

The Community trust via its training sessions based in and around in various centres did start playing friendlies against junior clubs. This was part of BCFC's player pathway (trust - academy and possibly on) and the clubs five pillars. This part of that pathway and its centres appears to have been abandoned.

https://juniorpremierleague.com/clubs/

The teams playing in the above are not elite. They cater for kids between junior and academy level. Those teams run in unison with normal junior club football.

City could also opt for development centres that do not play in the JPL and play in friendlies/tournaments v development centres.  

 

Thanks. I think that a BCCT team playing at any available level or "sector" is a good thing providing it is sustainable. That sustainability must compliment the continued existence of local clubs.

What I wouldnt want to see is a bunch of teams representing Bristol City football club itself, when they are either not playing against clubs of similar or better status, or do not contain the best players.

WTTJ appeared to be advocating academy equality and that isn't possible from 8-18 years unless everyone is doing it in my opinion, and even then you have to ask the question what the club itself (not the community trust) would get out of it bearing in mind the cost of the male academy,the (so far) limited return on investment, and Mr Lansdown's desire to see the club less reliant on his largesse. 

[Welcome To The Jungle]

1 hour ago, Loon plage said:

Thanks. I think that a BCCT team playing at any available level or "sector" is a good thing providing it is sustainable. That sustainability must compliment the continued existence of local clubs.

What I wouldnt want to see is a bunch of teams representing Bristol City football club itself, when they are either not playing against clubs of similar or better status, or do not contain the best players.

WTTJ appeared to be advocating academy equality and that isn't possible from 8-18 years unless everyone is doing it in my opinion, and even then you have to ask the question what the club itself (not the community trust) would get out of it bearing in mind the cost of the male academy,the (so far) limited return on investment, and Mr Lansdown's desire to see the club less reliant on his largesse. 

Sorry to clarify any confusion. What I'm saying is Bristol City should offer the platform for the best talent to represent Bristol. Obviously these games have to be played at the location most appropriate to the crowd that would be drawn, as well as other smaller factors, but mainly the crowd. 

I'm not advocating everyone getting treated the same, but I am advocating the necessity for Bristol City to field the best teams it can in as many forms of the game as possible, even if this is at a slight loss (any loss would be negligible compared to our recent transfer history).