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What is a 'Sensible Time' to have a complete meltdown?

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Gert Mare

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There are some posters who think that there is a number of fans who genuinely want Lee Johnson to fail.

It got me thinking, especially after hearing Villa fans call for Steve Bruce's head after 3 games on TalkShite earlier on this evening.

Individually, when do you think it is the right time to start questioning what is going on with the management of a team? Is it as soon as you suffer a heavy defeat, have a stinker performance wise? Lose 2 or 3 on the trot? draw a load of games that you think should have been won? 3 games into the season? End of September? Christmas? After the January transfer window?

I'm not calling for Johnson's head now mind, before you get the wrong idea!

iamsober

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8 minutes ago, Cheesleysmate said:

There are some posters who think that there is a number of fans who genuinely want Lee Johnson to fail.

It got me thinking, especially after hearing Villa fans call for Steve Bruce's head after 3 games on TalkShite earlier on this evening.

Individually, when do you think it is the right time to start questioning what is going on with the management of a team? Is it as soon as you suffer a heavy defeat, have a stinker performance wise? Lose 2 or 3 on the trot? draw a load of games that you think should have been won? 3 games into the season? End of September? Christmas? After the January transfer window?

I'm not calling for Johnson's head now mind, before you get the wrong idea!

why start the thread then?

WTFiGO!?!

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2 minutes ago, iamsober said:

what a crap reply

 

What a crap op. 

What time is sensible to have a complete meltdown?

What are your thoughts, by the way?  

 

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I thought this post was going to be about Happy Clapping and almost had a meltdown

Gert Mare

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11 minutes ago, iamsober said:

why start the thread then?

Because everyone has a different opinion on how to manage a football team, so it's interesting to know what people think?

Personally, I get jittery around October, worried by November, and spitting nails by December.

reddoh

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1 minute ago, iamsober said:

another crap reply

glad you changed the wording would hate to think I caused you to plagiarise yourself.

iamsober

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1 minute ago, Cheesleysmate said:

Because everyone has a different opinion on how to manage a football team, so it's interesting to know what people think?

Personally, I get jittery around October, worried by November, and spitting nails by December.

I am a happy clapper!

054123

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21 minutes ago, Cheesleysmate said:

There are some posters who think that there is a number of fans who genuinely want Lee Johnson to fail.

It got me thinking, especially after hearing Villa fans call for Steve Bruce's head after 3 games on TalkShite earlier on this evening.

Individually, when do you think it is the right time to start questioning what is going on with the management of a team? Is it as soon as you suffer a heavy defeat, have a stinker performance wise? Lose 2 or 3 on the trot? draw a load of games that you think should have been won? 3 games into the season? End of September? Christmas? After the January transfer window?

I'm not calling for Johnson's head now mind, before you get the wrong idea!

5 transfer windows and 95 league games.

Maybe not a meltdown, but certainly enough to make you think nobody has a ******* clue what to do next.

Gert Mare

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3 minutes ago, WTFiGO!?! said:

What a crap op. 

What time is sensible to have a complete meltdown?

What are your thoughts, by the way?  

 

It's a genuine question. Some people have started putting guns to their heads (metaphorically speaking) 3 games in and others have different opinions. Just interested to know people's individual tolerance levels?

RumRed

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2 minutes ago, Cheesleysmate said:

It's a genuine question. Some people have started putting guns to their heads (metaphorically speaking) 3 games in and others have different opinions. Just interested to know people's individual tolerance levels?

After Brentford.   

 

 

Last season, and that was being really generous.

iamsober

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3 minutes ago, Cheesleysmate said:

It's a genuine question. Some people have started putting guns to their heads (metaphorically speaking) 3 games in and others have different opinions. Just interested to know people's individual tolerance levels?

my tolerance level is more that most on here! 43 games to go!!

Gert Mare

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5 minutes ago, 054123 said:

5 transfer windows and 95 league games.

Maybe not a meltdown, but certainly enough to make you think nobody has a ******* clue what to do next.

Alan Dicks flirted with relegation for a number of seasons but we stuck with him and look what happened.....Mind you we sacked him after just 5 games of the 80-81 season! :laughcont:

cityexile

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7 minutes ago, Cheesleysmate said:

It's a genuine question. Some people have started putting guns to their heads (metaphorically speaking) 3 games in and others have different opinions. Just interested to know people's individual tolerance levels?

Like everyone, we have some new players that take time to settle. Our first ten games give us a decent mix of teams to play. I would have thought then we can start to make some serious observations. We have been a mix of sublime and awful so far. Need to give it enough time to see where the balance truly sits.

WTFiGO!?!

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1 minute ago, Cheesleysmate said:

It's a genuine question. Some people have started putting guns to their heads (metaphorically speaking) 3 games in and others have different opinions. Just interested to know people's individual tolerance levels?

Fair enough, mate. 

If you think a 'complete meltdown' is 'sensible' ever, and you actually think there's a choice and optimum moment of when to do it then you crack on.  I only offered my actual answer which was dismissed as 'crap'.  

 

Gert Mare

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3 minutes ago, cynic said:

Most people don't have a meltdown over football. :blink:

Just a few maybe....

Gotta have a good meltdown once in a while!

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6 minutes ago, RumRed said:

But what if they were only by one goal? :fear:

But still didn't manage to get relegated?:yawn:

Gert Mare

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3 minutes ago, WTFiGO!?! said:

Fair enough, mate. 

If you think a 'complete meltdown' is 'sensible' ever, and you actually think there's a choice and optimum moment of when to do it then you crack on.  I only offered my actual answer which was dismissed as 'crap'.  

 

I do believe in a good meltdown from time to time. Especially when it isn't cheap to turn up every Saturday and your missus keeps threatening to divorce you because she wants to take you shopping at least a couple of Saturday's in the winter!

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1 minute ago, Cheesleysmate said:

I do believe in a good meltdown from time to time. Especially when it isn't cheap to turn up every Saturday and your missus keeps threatening to divorce you because she wants to take you shopping at least a couple of Saturday's in the winter!

She's threatening to divorce you?

Gert Mare

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17 minutes ago, cynic said:

No, just that someone who posts the most on their own thread says it all.

As the OP it would make sense to respond, as it is a forum to debate views and opinions after all. I post on lots of threads. 

I notice you rubbished all of my posts, even the positive ones...to me that says it all.

I'm open to a balanced viewpoint, but some of the responses are like a reflection of those who voted remain in the Brexit campaign.

Gert Mare

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17 minutes ago, WTFiGO!?! said:

There's a moral to this story, kids...............

You're damn right there! Mick from the 70's Millwall Panorama programme had it right, he left her at the alter and went to watch Millwall instead.....anyway, she supported Chelsea anyway by all accounts! :laughcont:

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OP...difficult to quantify, and depends on expectations too.

Preston last season for me, but I did have a right rant prior to Reading at home over New Year too over Taylor Moore (loan, radio commentator, Matthews playing CB).

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55 minutes ago, 054123 said:

5 transfer windows and 95 league games.

Maybe not a meltdown, but certainly enough to make you think nobody has a ******* clue what to do next.

We're 3 games in, can't get carried away one way or the other. Although we are 9th and are next two are home to sides in the bottom three. Some people here need to calm down. Our results in our last 15 lg games are P15 W7 D4 L4, not what I'd call meltdown form, in fact outstanding when you consider where we were. 

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After last season??-bottem three/four anytime November onwards..would be proof(if more proof be needed)that nothing has changed and that Lee isn't improving/learning from mistakes as a coach & especially from the man management perspective.

Many feel Lee is neigh on bulletproof but Lansdown may surprise some.Lee one of 'em!

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Well it's not after we draw away from home at a decent side, I know that much.

I thought he should have gone at the end of January for the record, but he turned it around and shut me up. I'm not convinced he'll last another set of results like last time but hopefully we won't need to find out. 

I think we have an element amongst us that won't forget the past, it's a new season, we wipe the slate clean and see where we go. I'm expecting much the same as in lower half, but that's good enough for now. 

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Odd response to the OP's reasonable question but then maybe easier to be sensible in the morning.

I think he raises a valid question which is not a million miles from me asking yesterday what KPIs people are looking for besides points and results.

Point of fact, given what happened last season I do think there are some 'indicators' for which I will form an opinion more quickly than from results.

For example if I see us repeating some of those failings of last season or Johnson reverting to some of his frailties, I'm not waiting until Christmas.

That's not any 'borrowed time' cliche and I am certainly not waiting for or willing him to fail - but there has to be improvement and lessons learned.

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15 hours ago, Cheesleysmate said:

It's a genuine question. Some people have started putting guns to their heads (metaphorically speaking) 3 games in and others have different opinions. Just interested to know people's individual tolerance levels?

My tolerance level? As far as I'm concerned I'd have ditched him last Christmas.... however things started to improve later in the season. He was then in the "forgiven" camp. Three games into a season? Way too soon to direct Lee toward the exit door. My expectations for this season weren't great. 16th or above and I'd be content. If we're trawling the bottom of the Championship in late October, it's time for the Red Card for Lee. If we are where we are now(ish), I'd be delighted. 

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16 hours ago, iamsober said:

why start the thread then?

Because it is pretty topical and relevant to OTIB posters and any City fan that I personally know?  We all know that this narrative will form the backbone of approximately 60% of our debate in the stands and on this forum.  

 

Also what else have we to talk about?   Hang on.....someone start a thread on Cauley Woodrow and we can debate about how is an 'insult to the club, already a failure and a sign that everyone in the club down to those working in hospitality should be sacked. Then the person doing the sacking can sack themselves. ;-)

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