Devereux Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Bit of fun, but of this England side, are there any you would NOT take at City? the two that spring to mind for me are: Bertrand (rather have Joe) Henderson (I think he is bang average, can’t understand why he wins so many caps)
Lrrr Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 If we somehow could have them on our wage structure, I don't think there's any I wouldn't take at championship level. All would be a class above at our level. Edit - Minus Joe Hart, thanks for the reminder @El Hombrecito
formerly known as ivan Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Paterson over Sterling every day! Actually, there’s not many players that I would want Sterling over...
Nibor Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Cahill's got more mistakes in him than Baker and Flint. Joe Hart's poppadom hands wouldn't offer any confidence. I'd rather gouge out my own eyes with a rusty spoon than watch Henderson fail to play football.
Ska Junkie Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 I don't see what the Ox brings? I reckon he's bang average.
Super Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 What a stupid thread. All eleven are far better than ours.
cidercity Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Henderson, how bad is he, not just this game but every England game.
eardun Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 24 minutes ago, Super said: What a stupid thread. All eleven are far better than ours. I think our current City squad would put on a better showing v Slovenia than England are currently doing!
Oops Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 22 minutes ago, Super said: What a stupid thread. All eleven are far better than ours. There isn't a word invented to describe the bellendery you've displayed. I can't imagine a universe where I'd rather watch Jordan Henderson lurching aimlessly around the pitch, launching passes into the stands, or Jamie Pater son showing flair and skill. Paterson is by far the more gifted footballer, no contest.
myol'man Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 27 minutes ago, Super said: What a stupid thread. All eleven are far better than ours. Wow, someone talking sense on OTIB! they all play premier league against much better opposition than our lads have ever seen
Super Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Oops said: There isn't a word invented to describe the bellendery you've displayed. I can't imagine a universe where I'd rather watch Jordan Henderson lurching aimlessly around the pitch, launching passes into the stands, or Jamie Pater son showing flair and skill. Paterson is by far the more gifted footballer, no contest. They play in different positions you moron.
Super Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, myol'man said: Wow, someone talking sense on OTIB! they all play premier league against much better opposition than our lads have ever seen Leave it mate! And we take the piss out of the gas for being deluded!
Oops Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 15 minutes ago, Super said: They play in different positions you moron. Obviously. Just cause you made yourself look ******* stupid don't take it out on me.
Luxo Jr. Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 21 minutes ago, Oops said: There isn't a word invented to describe the bellendery you've displayed. I can't imagine a universe where I'd rather watch Jordan Henderson lurching aimlessly around the pitch, launching passes into the stands, or Jamie Pater son showing flair and skill. Paterson is by far the more gifted footballer, no contest. Paterson is a winger, Henderson a central midfielder. Not a fair comparison. A proper comparison is between Henderson and Pack and Smith. I think Henderson is way better than both.
Oops Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Luxo Jr. said: Paterson is a winger, Henderson a central midfielder. Not a fair comparison. A proper comparison is between Henderson and Pack and Smith. I think Henderson is way better than both. I'm not comparing positions, I'm comparing ability. I'd rather have 5 Jamie Paterson's in my team than 1 Jordan Henderson. Paterson is a better footballer than Henderson in my opinion, simple as that.
Luxo Jr. Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Oops said: I'm not comparing positions, I'm comparing ability. I'd rather have 5 Jamie Paterson's in my team than 1 Jordan Henderson. Paterson is a better footballer than Henderson in my opinion, simple as that. Right. But one is a flair player, one is a player of industry. I think Henderson has had a poor season so far but in general is a decent player. I disagree in your opinion on ability, and I disagree about which player I'd rather have 5 of in my team.
Super Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, Luxo Jr. said: Right. But one is a flair player, one is a player of industry. I think Henderson has had a poor season so far but in general is a decent player. I disagree in your opinion on ability, and I disagree about which player I'd rather have 5 of in my team. Dont post sense on this thread.
Super Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 11 minutes ago, Oops said: I'm not comparing positions, I'm comparing ability. I'd rather have 5 Jamie Paterson's in my team than 1 Jordan Henderson. Paterson is a better footballer than Henderson in my opinion, simple as that. Staggering.
Luxo Jr. Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Super said: Dont post sense on this thread. Sorry, I mean "Paterson would get in England's side over any of them based on his good form for us in the Championship in recent times, but ignoring when he was completely ineffectual and a passenger for us for large stretches of last season".
Oops Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Luxo Jr. said: Right. But one is a flair player, one is a player of industry. I think Henderson has had a poor season so far but in general is a decent player. I disagree in your opinion on ability, and I disagree about which player I'd rather have 5 of in my team. I respect your opinion. But Paterson runs his arse off for 90 minutes and has contributed 3 goals and 5 assists. Henderson...well,.....hasn't. Watching Henderson play is like poking myself in the eye with a cocktail stick, whereas I actually rise from my seat every time Paterson gets the ball. Horses for courses though.
Luxo Jr. Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Oops said: I respect your opinion. But Paterson runs his arse off for 90 minutes and has contributed 3 goals and 5 assists. Henderson...well,.....hasn't. Watching Henderson play is like poking myself in the eye with a cocktail stick, whereas I actually rise from my seat every time Paterson gets the ball. Horses for courses though. If you watch Henderson play for Liverpool, you'll see him run his socks off for 90 minutes. The problem, as usual, is with the tactics and game management, much like with us last season. We have a flourishing and working system, England don't. No one would have said "Paterson would get in the England team" last season.
Super Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, Oops said: I respect your opinion. But Paterson runs his arse off for 90 minutes and has contributed 3 goals and 5 assists. Henderson...well,.....hasn't. Watching Henderson play is like poking myself in the eye with a cocktail stick, whereas I actually rise from my seat every time Paterson gets the ball. Horses for courses though. In different positions! I give up.
JammyOne Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 There isn't a single player in the England squad that wouldn't improve our squad. Although my girlfriend did just ask me why Bobby Reid wasn't playing!
Oops Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Super said: In different positions! I give up. Super, if I have to explain it to you again I'll assume that you've banged your head recently. I'll type in caps or use an amusing emoji if you like.
Super Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Oops said: Super, if I have to explain it to you again I'll assume that you've banged your head recently. I'll type in caps or use an amusing emoji if you like. You are comparing goals and assists which is pointless.
RedRock Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 I'd prefer Carl Hutchings to Henderson to be frank.
Meh Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 I think it simply comes down to no city players are better than what is in the England squad BUT apart from Rashford, Kane and maybe Lingard no English players would get in Germany’s squad !!
1bristolcity Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Super said: What a stupid thread. All eleven are far better than ours. I was thinking whilst watching that dross, that City could carve more openings than England, and probably I would be right. Of course on paper the England players are better players, but that is debatable in some cases. City are a 'team' that knows each others game, England tonight were not. But this is typical you, very anti City, get over the fact Lee is going nowhere... just yet. I was also thinking England manager, but will leave that one hanging, you have taken bit of a beating already tonight.
Chivs Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, myol'man said: Wow, someone talking sense on OTIB! they all play premier league against much better opposition than our lads have ever seen Apart from the 2 Premiershit teams "our lads" beat this season. Obviously
And Its Smith Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Strange thread. Obviously they would all get in our team. Even Joe Hart.
Oops Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Super said: You are comparing goals and assists which is pointless. Correct in Hendo''s case. I'm not disputing His ability to trundle round the pitch for 90 minutes rolling passes to Hart/Mignolet, or firing 50 yard passes into orbit. My point IS that I would not shell out to watch him play. The fact he gets a game for England is, and remains, a ******* mystery to me.
Super Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, RedDave said: Strange thread. Obviously they would all get in our team. Even Joe Hart. I swear we get these threads every time England play. Laughable really.
Super Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, Oops said: Correct in Hendo''s case. I'm not disputing His ability to trundle round the pitch for 90 minutes rolling passes to Hart/Mignolet, or firing 50 yard passes into orbit. My point IS that I would not shell out to watch him play. The fact he gets a game for England is, and remains, a ******* mystery to me. Henderson is a decent premiership player. Patto is a decent championship player. Lets leave it there.
The Bard Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 If I had to choose between Bobby Reid and Sterling in the number 10 role I'd choose Bobby. That's more to do with Sterling not being suited to that role though.
Wanderingred Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Of course all 11 players are technically better than what we have. It would be very silly to argue otherwise and It's rather alarming that a post pointing this out has got 3 snake responses. However what we saw tonight from England was 11 individuals without a game plan, not playing for each other the shirt. In contrast, we have A TEAM. For that reason we'd give that England side a good game!
RedRock Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, Wanderingred said: Of course all 11 players are technically better than what we have. It would be very silly to argue otherwise and It's rather alarming that a post pointing this out has got 3 snake responses. However what we saw tonight from England was 11 individuals without a game plan, not playing for each other the shirt. In contrast, we have A TEAM. For that reason we'd give that England side a good game! As did Iceland, Wales, Scotland and numerous others.
myol'man Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 22 minutes ago, The Bard said: If I had to choose between Bobby Reid and Sterling in the number 10 role I'd choose Bobby. That's more to do with Sterling not being suited to that role though. Sterling would rip the Championship to shreds
stephenkibby. Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, myol'man said: Sterling would rip the Championship to shreds Yes, but could he pick out a teammate in the box?
Alex_BCFC Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 These players are top Prem players and mostly playing Champions League football too. Our lot have been in the top 6 for a week and some people think ours are better?! Mental. As a team England are awful though - just painful to watch. And the team issue is the reason why inferiors sides like Slovenia can give them a game. If someone could actually get England playing like a team we might get back to being a top 8 side again. But I wouldn't back Southgate to do it.
Packman Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 I honestly wouldn’t want Jake Livermoore in the City team!! How on earth has he made it into the England squad??? He’s awful. Pretty sure Bobby Reid and Fatty tomlin made him look bang average when playing for Hull against us.
Judda Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 The England team is full of England's finest players. Far better than the City team.... but struggling with the pressure of pulling on the shirt... It's a shame and watching England is shit but that's the facts. Personally I think we need a coach who'll create a crazy gang team spirit... but who?
BCFC Rich Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 47 minutes ago, Wanderingred said: Of course all 11 players are technically better than what we have. It would be very silly to argue otherwise and It's rather alarming that a post pointing this out has got 3 snake responses. However what we saw tonight from England was 11 individuals without a game plan, not playing for each other the shirt. In contrast, we have A TEAM. For that reason we'd give that England side a good game! Ermmm.... but we're by far the greatest team the world has ever seen.
BITW Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Hahahahahahah some incredible posts on this thread. Every player in that squad would walk in to our team that goes without saying.
pillred Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Luxo Jr. said: Sorry, I mean "Paterson would get in England's side over any of them based on his good form for us in the Championship in recent times, but ignoring when he was completely ineffectual and a passenger for us for large stretches of last season". you just said it yourself the past is the past has no bearing on current form at all, some people improve others fade away. I hope most of the England players are picked on current form not what they did last season.
Major Isewater Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 14 hours ago, myol'man said: Wow, someone talking sense on OTIB! they all play premier league against much better opposition than our lads have ever seen Apart from when we played and beat Watford and Stoke .
Izza Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 I was at Wembley last night and apart from maybe 3 players, I wouldn't want any of the others anywhere near our team based on that one performance. Maybe they all just had an off night or the tactics were so negative it stifled any flair the players may show for their club teams
Kodjias Wrist Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 I thought this thread was taking the piss but I can't fathom how we are seriously discussing any city players being better than the first or even second England 11. Got to be on a gas wind up. Please tell me im being whooshed.
Sir Colby-Tit Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 17 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said: Paterson over Sterling every day! Had this exact thought watching the game last night
Cider-Head23 Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 Pack over Henderson Paterson over the Ox Bryan over Bertrand
Super Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 4 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said: I thought this thread was taking the piss but I can't fathom how we are seriously discussing any city players being better than the first or even second England 11. Got to be on a gas wind up. Please tell me im being whooshed. Sadly you're not. If this was gas forum there would be 10 pages on here laughing at them.
South Somerset Red Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 How Joe Hart is still number 1 is an absolute mystery of the world.
PHILINFRANCE Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 On 10/5/2017 at 22:28, Oops said: I'm not comparing positions, I'm comparing ability. I'd rather have 5 Jamie Paterson's in my team than 1 Jordan Henderson. Paterson is a better footballer than Henderson in my opinion, simple as that. Purely on the basis this would give us 15 players, I might just be starting to see some logic in your argument. Not a lot, mind you, but just sufficient to tempt me in to some form of a reply. Try to reflect back to last season, when we had (on loan) one of the best players we have had at Ashton Gate for years. Unfortunately, but not at all surprisingly, Tammy moved on to 'better things', making a huge step up to play in the Premier League where, so far, he has proved to be competent, but no more. He is also in the England Under 21 squad, without threatening, at present, to break in to the full England team. And he was, arguably, our best player last season. As others have said, it is nonsensical to compare JH to JP as they play different positions and have completely different roles in their respective teams. In short, NO, I do not think there is any danger of City being deprived of any of their 'England' players this season.
Davefevs Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 On 05/10/2017 at 21:39, Oops said: I respect your opinion. But Paterson runs his arse off for 90 minutes and has contributed 3 goals and 5 assists. Henderson...well,.....hasn't. Watching Henderson play is like poking myself in the eye with a cocktail stick, whereas I actually rise from my seat every time Paterson gets the ball. Horses for courses though. On 05/10/2017 at 21:43, Luxo Jr. said: If you watch Henderson play for Liverpool, you'll see him run his socks off for 90 minutes. The problem, as usual, is with the tactics and game management, much like with us last season. We have a flourishing and working system, England don't. No one would have said "Paterson would get in the England team" last season. I agree Luxo. Liverpool suffer sometimes when Henderson is partnered by Can and Wijnaldum....all three are workers, none have the creativity of Coutinho, Lallana or Salah. When 2 out of the three are partnered with a creative one, Liverpool look different. I do think Oxlade was brought in to give a bit of creativity alongside any of the two. He has stagnated / gone backwards at Arsenal. If you go back and look at him when he broke into the England side he was a breath of fresh air, breaking the lines, creating etc. He needs to rekindle that. Back to Henderson - he is not Gerrard, he isn’t asked to fill that role. He is a good player, and key to Liverpool and England getting back possession. He needs a Dele Alli alongside him. Alli is wasted playing too close to Kane.
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