Charlie BCFC Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 Is he on a season long loan or just until January? I want to know because I think he could be in our plans for the second half of the season.
Dynamite Red Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 Leave him at Cheltenham to get 30/40+ games under his belt. The Championship is a huge step up.
Red Army 75 Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said: Leave him at Cheltenham to get 30/40+ games under his belt. The Championship is a huge step up. Totally agree. He's 20 now. Just hasn't kicked on . Hopefully this will aid him. Bobby Reid has only started to show his ability. So won't write him off. But no way is he ready for our first team.
Dynamite Red Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Totally agree. He's 20 now. Just hasn't kicked on . Hopefully this will aid him. Bobby Reid has only started to show his ability. So won't write him off. But no way is he ready for our first team. He is doing very well at Cheltenham, best player so far. Exactly what the boy needs, experience, confidence and local to home. I would extend until the end of the season.
View from the Dolman Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 27 minutes ago, Flint says No said: Is he on a season long loan or just until January? I want to know because I think he could be in our plans for the second half of the season. All three loans are until January 1st.
INCRED Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 Needs to be consistent in his performances and he is doing pretty well at the moment, needs to do that for an extended period before he is even considered first team squad material
Kodjias Wrist Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 Only 20 feels like the name has been around for ages. What was he 15 when he made that first appearance? Never to be seen until recently.
Bcfc24 Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 Amazing how LJ said in an interview recently that nobody even in the conference was willing to take him on loan, and that he needed to plead with his father to take him and give him games because he believed in him that much! Just goes to show it's not just Lee helping Gary it's the other way round as well!
chinapig Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 Obviously has a great attitude, which will stand him in good stead: http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-city-loan-midfielder-wins-594578
EmersonsRed Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 8 hours ago, Flint says No said: Is he on a season long loan or just until January? I want to know because I think he could be in our plans for the second half of the season. Nothing like a huge over reaction by a City fan
Port Said Red Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 Was going to put this in the loan watch thread but... He certainly seems to have the ability to play for the whole game., he provided the free kick that led to the very late winner. He was brought down for a penalty which was missed, and looking at the BBC live text was involved throughout the second half.
Major Isewater Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 11 hours ago, Flint says No said: Is he on a season long loan or just until January? I want to know because I think he could be in our plans for the second half of the season. I would have thought he's booked his ticket to Russia at the very least.
JoeAman08 Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 I've not seen him play loads but he definitely has potential to play in the championship. I think he could be a step up on Korey Smith one day. That said, it's one day and not in January. Idk maybe he plays well next summer and is kept around as we are light on central midfielders a bit but I'd hope he plays well all season at Cheltenham then secures a good L1 loan next season. Say he went that route, he'd be 22 with almost 100 games in the league under his belt. Much more first team ready. Though maybe, just maybe, he is playing well enough to get a loan to a L1 club in January. I'm not sure he can as he's played for us and Cheltenham already. Think you can play for 3 clubs in a season? But yea, if he's still excelling at Cheltenham maybe see if L1 suitors. Think people see a small guy in Joe morrell and doubt him but he's got quality and a toughness about him despite his size.
Major Isewater Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 13 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: I've not seen him play loads but he definitely has potential to play in the championship. I think he could be a step up on Korey Smith one day. That said, it's one day and not in January. Idk maybe he plays well next summer and is kept around as we are light on central midfielders a bit but I'd hope he plays well all season at Cheltenham then secures a good L1 loan next season. Say he went that route, he'd be 22 with almost 100 games in the league under his belt. Much more first team ready. Though maybe, just maybe, he is playing well enough to get a loan to a L1 club in January. I'm not sure he can as he's played for us and Cheltenham already. Think you can play for 3 clubs in a season? But yea, if he's still excelling at Cheltenham maybe see if L1 suitors. Think people see a small guy in Joe morrell and doubt him but he's got quality and a toughness about him despite his size. Is he bigger than Bannan ?
JoeAman08 Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Is he bigger than Bannan ? Not much in it height wise think Bannan got a bit more physical maturity to his body though. Looks a bit stronger
YorkshireSection Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I think we need to lose the attitude of hes too young/its a big step up/hes only playing for Cheltenham etc. Spalding/Ian wright/Vardey etc more than made the huge step up. The loan system is unfortunate for everyone imho. If we can guarantee safety in the old system we could have recalled him and given him some time around the first team, he certainly sounds like the midfielder we need. Smith and Brownhill are a big reason we are where we are however, Morrell is another option in an area we are a little light. Id imagine if Morrell can keep on improving that him and Brownhill would make one hell of a partnership, Reid would not be short of ammunition to score with, not that he isn't at the moment, we are definitely not only playing some exhilarating football but also creating lots of chances and we have some fantastic options on the bench. Edit: Isn't Leko 2 years younger than Morrell with far less experience?
RedM Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 On 07/10/2017 at 21:57, Bcfc24 said: Amazing how LJ said in an interview recently that nobody even in the conference was willing to take him on loan, and that he needed to plead with his father to take him and give him games because he believed in him that much! Just goes to show it's not just Lee helping Gary it's the other way round as well! I saw that too. I was surprised, a player from a Championship club can't get a loan, anywhere? I would have thought clubs would be jumping at the chance? Can't be wages, lack of experience perhaps but he must have something about him being from a club at this level surely?
ashton_fan Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 With O'Neil out we only have 3 central midfielders. Either we have to sign someone in January or get Morrell back. He made his first team debut four years ago and is 20 now so deserves his chance. At least he could play in cup matches to give the others a break, by all accounts he's been one of the outstanding Academy prospects for some time.
View from the Dolman Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, RedM said: I saw that too. I was surprised, a player from a Championship club can't get a loan, anywhere? I would have thought clubs would be jumping at the chance? Can't be wages, lack of experience perhaps but he must have something about him being from a club at this level surely? I suspect his substitute only short stint at Sutton United (Conference National) which wasn't renewed and his somewhat unsuccessful loan at Margate (Conference South) was a bit of a black cloud hanging over him for any potential loan clubs...
RedM Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: I suspect his substitute only short stint at Sutton United (Conference National) which wasn't renewed and his somewhat unsuccessful loan at Margate (Conference South) was a bit of a black cloud hanging over him for any potential loan clubs... I just admit I didn't know that, not followed his career that closely but I recognise his name as I'm sure I've seen him in a couple of reserve type games going back a bit. I guess like Bobby he's a bit of a slow burner but has potential. I was just surprised though that it was hard to find him game time anywhere.
1bristolcity Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 20:27, Flint says No said: Is he on a season long loan or just until January? I want to know because I think he could be in our plans for the second half of the season. FIFA 18 ?
Elruliri Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I haven't seen him play what sort of player is he? Attacking or defensive???
GrahamC Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 We don't. Smith, Pack, Brownhill & Hegeler =4. As for the Leko comment, he has made a dozen appearances in the Prem, prior to this loan Joe had made zero league appearances so that isn't correct.
candygram for mongo Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I saw a lot of Joe Morrell when he was playing for the academy and he always stood out. He's always trying to get on the ball and, deceptively, always seemed to run quicker with the ball than without it. He also looked as though he had goals in him. Of all the players I saw at the time he was the one that I thought would make it, I was very surprised that his career seemed to dip a little a while back but hopefully he can use this loan period to really "push on" now
cidered abroad Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Anyone who suggests that we should bring in Barry Bannon is not aware how good Morrell will be in a year or so. Top midfielder for our first team soon.
redcherryberry Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Being given an opportunity was all JM needed. GJ has done us & the player a massive favour here especially after unsuccessful Conference loans. Joe's has always been technically good, has the ability to control/dictate a game but always been on the small side. He has added a tenacious side to his game and he's better for it. The first thing LJ done went appointed was to convince JM's parents the kids has a future here. He played left mid Sat v Swindon and hardly got a touch until GJ on 70 mins went back to 4 3 3 moved Joe central and was then involved in everything for the last 20 mins. His confidence is sky high at the minute & rightly so.
Charlie BCFC Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 On 08/10/2017 at 05:01, EmersonsRed said: Nothing like a huge over reaction by a City fan How exactly?
ZiderEyed Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 2 hours ago, redcherryberry said: Being given an opportunity was all JM needed. GJ has done us & the player a massive favour here especially after unsuccessful Conference loans. Joe's has always been technically good, has the ability to control/dictate a game but always been on the small side. He has added a tenacious side to his game and he's better for it. The first thing LJ done went appointed was to convince JM's parents the kids has a future here. He played left mid Sat v Swindon and hardly got a touch until GJ on 70 mins went back to 4 3 3 moved Joe central and was then involved in everything for the last 20 mins. His confidence is sky high at the minute & rightly so. Sounds like he genuinely believes in him, that's really nice to hear. I hope he does have a future though, he's always impressed me when i've seen him and he's looked like a very mature footballer for as long as i can remember. I'm gonna have to watch more of Cheltenham now!
Charlie BCFC Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 8 hours ago, 1bristolcity said: FIFA 18 ? What exactly are you on about? 8 hours ago, GrahamC said: We don't. Smith, Pack, Brownhill & Hegeler =4. As for the Leko comment, he has made a dozen appearances in the Prem, prior to this loan Joe had made zero league appearances so that isn't correct. Hegeler isn’t a midfielder and has never played well there would consider him more of a defender. I would bring back Morrell and give him an opportunity. Also Sessegnon was thrown in to the team at 16 and look at him now. No reason why Morrell can’t have a chance at this level.
BCFC Rich Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, Flint says No said: What exactly are you on about? Hegeler isn’t a midfielder and has never played well there would consider him more of a defender. I would bring back Morrell and give him an opportunity. Also Sessegnon was thrown in to the team at 16 and look at him now. No reason why Morrell can’t have a chance at this level. I'm pretty sure he has played most of his career in midfield. Also comparing to other young players isn't helpful. Players are ready when there ready. He has already gone from not playing in conference to being a regular + key player in league 2. I don't think our midfield is so dire that we need to rush and take a risk on Morrell (potentially damaging his confidence and in all probability not playing every game like he is now). Also whilst he is doing amazingly well he is also not so spectacularly brilliant that we have to bring him back now. I don't think we need to be in such a rush, let him get regular men's football for a season then get pre season with us and assess things from there.
ZiderEyed Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 39 minutes ago, BCFC Richard said: I'm pretty sure he has played most of his career in midfield. Also comparing to other young players isn't helpful. Players are ready when there ready. He has already gone from not playing in conference to being a regular + key player in league 2. I don't think our midfield is so dire that we need to rush and take a risk on Morrell (potentially damaging his confidence and in all probability not playing every game like he is now). Also whilst he is doing amazingly well he is also not so spectacularly brilliant that we have to bring him back now. I don't think we need to be in such a rush, let him get regular men's football for a season then get pre season with us and assess things from there. Exactly, why rush him? Its better for his development that he's playing games every week, I reckon we're needing another midfielder as GO'N seems to be permanently out, and I'd expect someone to be brought in in January.
EmersonsRed Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 20 minutes ago, Flint says No said: How exactly? Because we are speaking about a young man who went out to a non-league side last year and struggled to get game time. He isn't even into double figures of professional starts yet is he? We are well filled in that particular area of the pitch too. He has a nice looking future, granted. But playing in the Championship this season? No. I gather from your posts you are one of the younger amongst OTIB, which is great - but sometimes enthusiasm can often lead to over-reaction ;). COYR
GrahamC Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Flint says No said: What exactly are you on about? Hegeler isn’t a midfielder and has never played well there would consider him more of a defender. I would bring back Morrell and give him an opportunity. Also Sessegnon was thrown in to the team at 16 and look at him now. No reason why Morrell can’t have a chance at this level. Hegeler "isn't a midfielder" despite making over 100 Bundesliga appearances in the position..
1bristolcity Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Flint says No said: What exactly are you on about? Hegeler isn’t a midfielder and has never played well there would consider him more of a defender. I would bring back Morrell and give him an opportunity. Also Sessegnon was thrown in to the team at 16 and look at him now. No reason why Morrell can’t have a chance at this level. And you had the temerity to call me deluded
Charlie BCFC Posted October 10, 2017 Author Posted October 10, 2017 22 hours ago, 1bristolcity said: And you had the temerity to call me deluded Yes I do
Charlie BCFC Posted October 10, 2017 Author Posted October 10, 2017 On 09/10/2017 at 18:37, BCFC Richard said: I'm pretty sure he has played most of his career in midfield. Also comparing to other young players isn't helpful. Players are ready when there ready. He has already gone from not playing in conference to being a regular + key player in league 2. I don't think our midfield is so dire that we need to rush and take a risk on Morrell (potentially damaging his confidence and in all probability not playing every game like he is now). Also whilst he is doing amazingly well he is also not so spectacularly brilliant that we have to bring him back now. I don't think we need to be in such a rush, let him get regular men's football for a season then get pre season with us and assess things from there. Yes he has played most of his careeer in midfield but give me one game Hegeler has played well in the middle of midfield? I’m saying give him a chance for a couple of games like we did with Bryan, Fulham with Sessegnon and Forest with all of their youngsters last season. Maybe not when we’re in this form which could last all season but say if we’re struggling why can’t we give him a chance?
Charlie BCFC Posted October 10, 2017 Author Posted October 10, 2017 On 09/10/2017 at 19:35, EmersonsRed said: Because we are speaking about a young man who went out to a non-league side last year and struggled to get game time. He isn't even into double figures of professional starts yet is he? We are well filled in that particular area of the pitch too. He has a nice looking future, granted. But playing in the Championship this season? No. I gather from your posts you are one of the younger amongst OTIB, which is great - but sometimes enthusiasm can often lead to over-reaction ;). COYR Looking at your incredibly harsh criticism of Flint I think you overreact more than I do...
EmersonsRed Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, Flint says No said: Looking at your incredibly harsh criticism of Flint I think you overreact more than I do... Good evening mate. Look at my posts, I give credit where credit is due. I don't think Flint is very good, he is slow, laboured and can't make up for his own mistakes against quick strikers. That being said, he has done superbly against all the lumps we've faced this season and having a solid CB either side of him (albeit one at RB) has helped him drastically. I have also praised his attitude from day one. @BobBobSuperBob will vouch. No need for the deflection young sir, I wasn't being horrible. Merely pointing out someone who hasn't made 10 professional starts in the league probably isn't quite ready for Championship football.
Charlie BCFC Posted October 10, 2017 Author Posted October 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, EmersonsRed said: Good evening mate. Look at my posts, I give credit where credit is due. I don't think Flint is very good, he is slow, laboured and can't make up for his own mistakes against quick strikers. That being said, he has done superbly against all the lumps we've faced this season and having a solid CB either side of him (albeit one at RB) has helped him drastically. I have also praised his attitude from day one. @BobBobSuperBob will vouch. No need for the deflection young sir, I wasn't being horrible. Merely pointing out someone who hasn't made 10 professional starts in the league probably isn't quite ready for Championship football. And at the end of the day we are entitled to our opinions just as you’re with Flint. I just found it strange you say I overreact when you criticise Flint rather harshly in my honest opinion.
Charlie BCFC Posted October 10, 2017 Author Posted October 10, 2017 On 09/10/2017 at 19:36, GrahamC said: Hegeler "isn't a midfielder" despite making over 100 Bundesliga appearances in the position.. Yes but give me one game Hegeler has played well in for us as a MIDFIELDER?
EmersonsRed Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, Flint says No said: And at the end of the day we are entitled to our opinions just as you’re with Flint. I just found it strange you say I overreact when you criticise Flint rather harshly in my honest opinion. Whether you agree with me or not, I base my opinion on that he was at the heart of a woeful defence for two years. You base your Morrell will play a part in our team this year opinion on 6 League Two starts. One is over-reacting. One if having an opinion based on two years of defensive performances. You're in a dead end with this one mate... Sorry.
ashton_fan Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Flint says No said: Yes but give me one game Hegeler has played well in for us as a MIDFIELDER? Hegeler's tackling isn't good enough to play CM in the Championship, he mistimes them and gets booked. In Germany it's a different style of play. However when playing at the back he reads the game superbly so he doesn't have to tackle so much, he can also bring the ball out of defence and pick a pass. That's one of the reasons why LJ thinks he's better there. Morrell should get his chance but it should be in cup games to start with unless we're desperate.
YorkshireSection Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 On 09/10/2017 at 15:35, redcherryberry said: Being given an opportunity was all JM needed. GJ has done us & the player a massive favour here especially after unsuccessful Conference loans. Joe's has always been technically good, has the ability to control/dictate a game but always been on the small side. He has added a tenacious side to his game and he's better for it. The first thing LJ done went appointed was to convince JM's parents the kids has a future here. He played left mid Sat v Swindon and hardly got a touch until GJ on 70 mins went back to 4 3 3 moved Joe central and was then involved in everything for the last 20 mins. His confidence is sky high at the minute & rightly so. Im chuffed that Joe is playing 1st team league football, I genuinely believe he will be an asset to us in the future. Whilst I am happy for him, I do question if its ultimately damaging playing for a manager that is playing him wide left of a midfield 3. Maybe it would be wise to re asses his options in January, looking to see if there are any clubs out there who would be interested in playing JM centrally as his game isn't going to benefit from being played out of position.
redcherryberry Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 I wouldn't worry about that too much Yorkshire, It was a one off. A tactical decision that GJ eventually realised wasn't working thus changed it and moved Joe back central. That being said many would say the more 'different' positions a kid plays the more savvy he will become......
RedRoss Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 33 minutes ago, redcherryberry said: I wouldn't worry about that too much Yorkshire, It was a one off. A tactical decision that GJ eventually realised wasn't working thus changed it and moved Joe back central. That being said many would say the more 'different' positions a kid plays the more savvy he will become...... It hasn't done Bryan any harm
1bristolcity Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 13 hours ago, Flint says No said: Yes I do In what way you cheeky little gamer? I have seen it all at City, the ups and downs I have been there when we beat Pompey to go up, and seen us plummet to the very bottom of the football league, I even moved to back Bristol when we were promoted to the top flight. Too many scars to count along the way.... Sooo give it your best shot kid
daored Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 On 09/10/2017 at 16:35, redcherryberry said: Being given an opportunity was all JM needed. GJ has done us & the player a massive favour here especially after unsuccessful Conference loans. Joe's has always been technically good, has the ability to control/dictate a game but always been on the small side. He has added a tenacious side to his game and he's better for it. The first thing LJ done went appointed was to convince JM's parents the kids has a future here. He played left mid Sat v Swindon and hardly got a touch until GJ on 70 mins went back to 4 3 3 moved Joe central and was then involved in everything for the last 20 mins. His confidence is sky high at the minute & rightly so. The positive thing about Johnson is there clearly is a pathway into our first team if the player is deemed good enough. I suspect that will continue going forward and can only be a positive for the club especially in terms of recruitment if we can demonstrate a pathway into our first team
Charlie BCFC Posted October 11, 2017 Author Posted October 11, 2017 8 hours ago, 1bristolcity said: In what way you cheeky little gamer? I have seen it all at City, the ups and downs I have been there when we beat Pompey to go up, and seen us plummet to the very bottom of the football league, I even moved to back Bristol when we were promoted to the top flight. Too many scars to count along the way.... Sooo give it your best shot kid I’m not saying you’re a fake fan or plastic because why would you be on this forum commenting about Bristol City. I just don’t agree with some of your opinions and the same goes to you with my opinions it seems. But at the end of the day it is a forum and if we don’t accept everyone else’s opinions then what is the point of going on the forum?
JammyOne Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 28 minutes ago, Flint says No said: But at the end of the day it is a forum and if we don’t accept everyone else’s opinions then what is the point of going on the forum? But this is OTIB. There was a time when anyone who hinted at backing Lee Johnson would be ridiculed, the same LJ that's taken us to 4th. You're allowed an opinion, just as long as it aligns with the other circle jerkers on here.
GrahamC Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 On 10 October 2017 at 21:42, Flint says No said: Yes but give me one game Hegeler has played well in for us as a MIDFIELDER? His debut. But anyway, that is a completely different thing. A bit like me saying Elliot Parish isn't a goalkeeper, you then saying he is and then me saying but he isn't very good....
Davefevs Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: His debut. But anyway, that is a completely different thing. A bit like me saying Elliot Parish isn't a goalkeeper, you then saying he is and then me saying but he isn't very good.... Didn’t he play RCB in a 3 v Fleetwood on debut? To be fair I was one of the ones on here wanting him to play midfield. I really thought the capability we’d seen on the ball in those first few games would be so suited to our midfield. Unfortunately the pace and aggression was too much in a two...I still think in a three we’d see his class.
Charlie BCFC Posted October 13, 2017 Author Posted October 13, 2017 On 11/10/2017 at 21:32, GrahamC said: His debut. But anyway, that is a completely different thing. A bit like me saying Elliot Parish isn't a goalkeeper, you then saying he is and then me saying but he isn't very good.... Although yes he had a good game, he played in a back three not in midfield.
Charlie BCFC Posted October 13, 2017 Author Posted October 13, 2017 On 11/10/2017 at 20:54, JammyOne said: But this is OTIB. There was a time when anyone who hinted at backing Lee Johnson would be ridiculed, the same LJ that's taken us to 4th. You're allowed an opinion, just as long as it aligns with the other circle jerkers on here. Very true, if you cast your mind back I was one of the LJ backers
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