Admin Phantom Posted October 17, 2017 Admin Posted October 17, 2017 I see another of the England youth sides is progressing well in a tournament, after topping their group they beat Japan 5-3 on penalties earlier today and now face USA in the quarter finals on Saturday afternoon
BobBobSuperBob Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, phantom said: I see another of the England youth sides is progressing well in a tournament, after topping their group they beat Japan 5-3 on penalties earlier today and now face USA in the quarter finals on Saturday afternoon Watched it Phants Was a decent game - (Repeat d on Eurosport atm) Took our penalties with aplomb and our young keeper made a great save from one and then smashed the next pen in himself !!
CheddarReds Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 Gutted (in some ways) Sancho went back to Dortmund early. My word can that boy play!!
Lrrr Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 28 minutes ago, CheddarReds said: Gutted (in some ways) Sancho went back to Dortmund early. My word can that boy play!! Only to play in the junior champions league as well
North London Red Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 1 hour ago, CheddarReds said: Gutted (in some ways) Sancho went back to Dortmund early. My word can that boy play!! 1 hour ago, hodge said: Only to play in the junior champions league as well So Dortmund call him back early, weakening the England under-17 team in the process, while the Germans also advance to the last 8 of the same tournament. Am I reading too much into that?
EmersonsRed Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 4 hours ago, North London Red said: So Dortmund call him back early, weakening the England under-17 team in the process, while the Germans also advance to the last 8 of the same tournament. Am I reading too much into that? Yes. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/borussia-dortmund/story/3219844/jadon-sancho-to-return-to-dortmund-from-u17-world-cup-after-group-stage They announced in October they'd recall him.
Lrrr Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 Anyone know why a junior world cup takes place during the season?
chipdawg Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, hodge said: Anyone know why a junior world cup takes place during the season? I would guess because it's very rare for a 16 or 17 year old to be playing first team football. And if they've reached that level, they've probably graduated to an older age group in terms of international games. These days there seems to be an emphasis on ensuring that young players have sufficient rest- their bodies are still growing and they need to be given a lighter workload. Having them play all season then jet off for 4 weeks in the summer to an international tournament isn't going to achieve that
alexukhc Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 Just wait till you see George Weah’s son, playing for USA u17s
Admin Phantom Posted October 25, 2017 Author Admin Posted October 25, 2017 Semi final against Brazil this afternoon at 12:30 live on the BBC red button Interesting the venue for the semi had to be moved to 650 miles to the Salt Lake Stadium, Kolkata due to the state of the pitch in Guwahati.
BobBobSuperBob Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 Heads up for those interested 12.15pm on Eurosport
Donkeeebles Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 Got to say Fodin looks a cracking player for England. It's been a good game, there's def more goals in this 2nd half
Shtanley Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 If we still had Sancho we’d be strolling to the trophy
Phileas Fogg Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Shtanley said: If we still had Sancho we’d be strolling to the trophy Not seen him yet - how good could he be? Better than Sterling or Ox?
Shtanley Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Not seen him yet - how good could he be? Better than Sterling or Ox? You never know how players will progress and sterling was a freak at that age. I’d say better than Ox though.
Scare_Man Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 3-1 England Another Brewster hat-trick to follow his 3 against USA in the quarters
Malago Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 Someone from AG needs to get on the blower to Pep to ask about getting Foden on loan. Seriously impressive.
Admin Phantom Posted October 25, 2017 Author Admin Posted October 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Scare_Man said: 3-1 England Another Brewster hat-trick to follow his 3 against USA in the quarters
Admin Phantom Posted October 25, 2017 Author Admin Posted October 25, 2017 Final to be shown live on BBC2 this Saturday - nice bit of coverage for the lads
nickolas Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 All these youngsters doing well should be great for the full National team. Yet none will play for their PL teams due to jonny foreigners so it wont benefit the full team at all!!
Phileas Fogg Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 2 hours ago, nickolas said: All these youngsters doing well should be great for the full National team. Yet none will play for their PL teams due to jonny foreigners so it wont benefit the full team at all!! Not many u17s of any nationlity would be playing at a level like the prem; “Jonny foreigner” or not.
nickolas Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Not many u17s of any nationlity would be playing at a level like the prem; “Jonny foreigner” or not. Obviously i dont mean now! But if theyre good enough they’d be in teams by 19 yrs old. Or they wont.
Kid in the Riot Posted October 26, 2017 Posted October 26, 2017 19 hours ago, Malago said: Someone from AG needs to get on the blower to Pep to ask about getting Foden on loan. Seriously impressive. Looks a fantastic prospect. Under 20s world champions, under 19s European champions and now the under 17s set to become world champions. Good times ahead for the national team?
glynriley Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 England 3-2 up from 2 down. 20 minutes to go.
Port Said Red Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 4-2 surely they have done it now. This has been a great watch, both sides playing with such wonderful freedom.
cityexile Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 4-2, having soaked up a lot of pressure. Decent score to win a World Cup if it stays that way...
BCFC Rich Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 What a great performance that is 2 down to 2 up in World cup final.
Lordofthebling Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 You have to wonder, if their progress wasn't blocked by the premier league - what kind if team we'd have in the future... It's sad that most of these lads won't get into their home side first teams. But well done lads
22A Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 2-0 down, 5-2 up, England have won the World Cup!!!!!
Port Said Red Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Foden will not be blocked from progressing, he is a special talent.
Red Exile Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Been a great match this. Would be wonderful to watch the full international team play with this panache.
cityexile Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 A little harsh on Spain who have played some decent stuff, but just seemed wide open to balls across their box. Great to see both teams just going for it, and well done our lads!
Lordofthebling Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Port Said Red said: Foden will not be blocked from progressing, he is a special talent. He really is, but he's at Man City which will be a tough nut to crack on a regular basis. Fingers crossed from them all though
Xiled Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Huge character from England's U17s, they've been great going forward. Very impressed with their character to win this. Love the crowd reaction to England's goals.
Bris Red Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, Lordofthebling said: You have to wonder, if their progress wasn't blocked by the premier league - what kind if team we'd have in the future... It's sad that most of these lads won't get into their home side first teams. But well done lads Its down to the players to stand up and say **** the premier league, go to a top league on the continent.. its going to take balls and leaving your comfort zone as a 17/18 year old wont be easy but it has to be done IMO.
eastonboy Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Foden has been earmarked by Pep for great things and it's easy to see why. Great game of football, the better team won - but why are they all wearing sports bras?
Admin Maesknoll Posted October 28, 2017 Admin Posted October 28, 2017 1 minute ago, eastonboy said: Foden has been earmarked by Pep for great things and it's easy to see why. Great game of football, the better team won - but why are they all wearing sports bras? I was going to post exactly the same question....
Ska Junkie Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, eastonboy said: Foden has been earmarked by Pep for great things and it's easy to see why. Great game of football, the better team won - but why are they all wearing sports bras? Tracking vests aren't they? Well done young England regardless.
Port Said Red Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, eastonboy said: Foden has been earmarked by Pep for great things and it's easy to see why. Great game of football, the better team won - but why are they all wearing sports bras? Just now, Maesknoll Red said: I was going to post exactly the same question.... Isn't that the thing that measures their vitals etc? Pro opta or whatever it's called?
Admin Maesknoll Posted October 28, 2017 Admin Posted October 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, cityexile said: A little harsh on Spain who have played some decent stuff, but just seemed wide open to balls across their box. Great to see both teams just going for it, and well done our lads! Not sure about their keeper on a couple of those goals, but good result regardless
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Can someone explain why they are wearing sports bras?
BigTone Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Great game, great result and well done England. Our senior team could learn some lessons from these kids.
Coppello Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said: Can someone explain why they are wearing sports bras? I believe they have chips in which monitor their performance, heart rate and body temperature etc. Probably quite important in that heat. Either that or they've had a few too many curries out in India and have developed man boobs.
Lrrr Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Those things are used in stadiums that don't use prozone I believe, picks up all the gps data whereas prozone has several cameras around the stadium which tracks everything automatically.
Coppello Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 I put it on at 2-0 so only saw England playing well. They were absolutely fantastic and have an excellent style of play. It is absolutely crucial that England find a way to manage the transition to the men's game as we could have a bright future.
BCFC Rich Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 England coach Steve Cooper speaking to BBC Sport before being engulfed by his players: "I am just so proud, we were 2-0 down and we played our way out, we didn’t stop, stuck to our style – and that’s the way to do it."
Sleepy1968 Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 54 minutes ago, Coppello said: I put it on at 2-0 so only saw England playing well. They were absolutely fantastic and have an excellent style of play. It is absolutely crucial that England find a way to manage the transition to the men's game as we could have a bright future. I thought they played well throughout. Spains goals came on the break, and we had numerous chances to score before we did: the first good chance came after two minutes. I don't think the final score flattered us either.
Cider Queen Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Maybe we should select the World cup squad from the U20, U19 & U17s.. They'd probably do far more than the overpaid ponces of the premiership!
Loco Rojo Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 Amazing thing to achieve and what a tournament - as some have said; the national team could learn a lot from this bunch of lads. Unfortunately with the way the English game is set up, agents will now be scrambling to get these kids huge deals (so they themselves can cash in on it), in turn the kids will quickly lose touch with reality (as seen so many times when 17/18 year old kids are paid thousands per week) and for most of them they probably won't get enough first team game time to help them develop. The FA hasn't done anywhere near enough to improve the set up for English players and neither have clubs. They won't learn from this or build on this huge opportunity. Good to see the media jumping on the bandwagon now too adding to the pressure and over hype of expectation that the kids are going to have to manage.
Phileas Fogg Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, Raging_Robin said: That's actually not true. Over the past 10 years 82% of players that played in the Champions league quarter final and beyond started playing 1st team football at 17. Completely smashes this so called myth. If you're good enough you're old enough. That’s a bit of a misleading comparison, Tim. Based on that stat as you’ve quoted it - that could mean John Stones playing at Barnsley or Alexis Sanchez at Cobreloa. That doesn’t necessarily mean they were first team regulars for Premier League sides which is the point I was replying to. It is rare for u17s to be playing regularly in the prem.
RedRock Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 The use of the wide players was excellent. Delivery from out wide was brilliant. Fast, positive attacking play with quick forwards and midfielders getting on the end of crosses. Hope Southgate was watching. What is exciting, is that if this is the 'new way', maybe LJ is ahead of the curve with assets such as CoD, Leko, Ellison and the likes of Reid on the end of things. Could we be trailblazers!!!!
Phileas Fogg Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 31 minutes ago, Raging_Robin said: True, I'll give you that. I still think if you're good enough you will play first team football at a level. I get what you're saying though. I agree to an extent but I believe size and strength is a factor. I think that explains partly why it’s taken Reid and perhaps too Morrell longer to break through and play regularly. If you’re a 17 year old who’s fully grown and with adult strength then perfect, but that’s not many of them.
Trueredsupporter Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 19 minutes ago, Moor2Sea said: The use of the wide players was excellent. Delivery from out wide was brilliant. Fast, positive attacking play with quick forwards and midfielders getting on the end of crosses. Hope Southgate was watching. What is exciting, is that if this is the 'new way', maybe LJ is ahead of the curve with assets such as CoD, Leko, Ellison and the likes of Reid on the end of things. Could we be trailblazers!!!! They used similar formations to Southgate problem is when teams keep it tight quick and crossing doesn't work. loading the midfield is hardly ahead of the curve. problem is as somebody said on tv these lads will probably play in the Netherlands rather than England.
RedRock Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 12 minutes ago, Trueredsupporte said: They used similar formations to Southgate problem is when teams keep it tight quick and crossing doesn't work. loading the midfield is hardly ahead of the curve. problem is as somebody said on tv these lads will probably play in the Netherlands rather than England. My reading is quite the opposite 'to loading the midfield''. Width in forward positions with positive, agressive, fast-flowing football. Not the complete and utter cack that Southgate serves up of SoD- like pinging sideways/backwards at a pedestrian pace by shite defenders and defensive midfielders. By doing that the opposition get their lines of defence together and we just haven't the skill or nouse to work out how to get round or through the mass ranks. 'Bombing on' is what we used to call it and watching England Under 17s, 19's and 20's doing that successfully is a joy. Far better than the turgid carp served up by Southgate and his mob of overpaid premadonas.
Trueredsupporter Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Moor2Sea said: My reading is quite the opposite 'to loading the midfield''. Width in forward positions with positive, agressive, fast-flowing football. Not the complete and utter cack that Southgate serves up of SoD- like pinging sideways/backwards at a pedestrian pace by shite defenders and defensive midfielders. By doing that the opposition get their lines of defence together and we just haven't the skill or nouse to work out how to get round or through the mass ranks. 'Bombing on' is what we used to call it and watching England Under 17s, 19's and 20's doing that successfully is a joy. Far better than the turgid carp served up by Southgate and his mob of overpaid premadonas. Don't want to sound rude but it was similar formations to the full team. its five in midfield. and the full international team would play fast and wide if the opposition let them. England U17's play like that because Spain let them as did Brazil. and there is the problem because it does not happen at full international level cant play like that because the opposition never allow it.
Cowshed Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Loco Rojo said: Amazing thing to achieve and what a tournament - as some have said; the national team could learn a lot from this bunch of lads. Unfortunately with the way the English game is set up, agents will now be scrambling to get these kids huge deals (so they themselves can cash in on it), in turn the kids will quickly lose touch with reality (as seen so many times when 17/18 year old kids are paid thousands per week) and for most of them they probably won't get enough first team game time to help them develop. The FA hasn't done anywhere near enough to improve the set up for English players and neither have clubs. They won't learn from this or build on this huge opportunity. Good to see the media jumping on the bandwagon now too adding to the pressure and over hype of expectation that the kids are going to have to manage. The FA have spent huge sums on Wembley and St Georges Park. St Georges Park is part of the set up. What do you think the FA could do?
Loco Rojo Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, Cowshed said: The FA have spent huge sums on Wembley and St Georges Park. St Georges Park is part of the set up. What do you think the FA could do? More needs to be done to change policies and introduce more strict rules around progressing and developing young English players in to the first team at their clubs. Can't argue against the fact they're getting something right in the youth international levels but much more needs to be done at the senior levels (club and international).
Cowshed Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 25 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said: More needs to be done to change policies and introduce more strict rules around progressing and developing young English players in to the first team at their clubs. Can't argue against the fact they're getting something right in the youth international levels but much more needs to be done at the senior levels (club and international). The EPL run themselves. The Elite Player Performance Plan overseeing academies was created at the bequest of and by the Premier League. The FA cannot introduce quotas into the EPL. The FA cannot do much in the face of the clubs, which is why I asked about set up. I wholly agree about opportunity and young players but that is down to the clubs and their own league set up.
Loco Rojo Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, Cowshed said: The EPL run themselves. The Elite Player Performance Plan overseeing academies was created at the bequest of and by the Premier League. The FA cannot introduce quotas into the EPL. The FA cannot do much in the face of the clubs, which is why I asked about set up. Nice and simple isn't it! I still don't believe that this success will change things or that this crop of youngsters will benefit (in terms of this success flowing through the the England first team) because of the way the English game is set up currently when it comes to developing young talented players (in the broad sense before anyone calls out the likes of Tammy etc - not enough are making it through).
Phileas Fogg Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 59 minutes ago, Cowshed said: The FA have spent huge sums on Wembley and St Georges Park. St Georges Park is part of the set up. What do you think the FA could do? Have you read The Secret Footballer’s section about St. George’s Park?
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