Redandwhitescarf Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 ITV4 tonight 9pm. Bob Paisleys Liverpool and Brian Cloughs Nottingham forest. Two great teams who wear red. Begs the question who have been the most successful clubs those who wear Red or those who wear blue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, Redandwhitescarf said: ITV4 tonight 9pm. Bob Paisleys Liverpool and Brian Cloughs Nottingham forest. Two great teams who wear red. Begs the question who have been the most successful clubs those who wear Red or those who wear blue? Cloughie was on another level than Paisley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 25 minutes ago, Redandwhitescarf said: ITV4 tonight 9pm. Bob Paisleys Liverpool and Brian Cloughs Nottingham forest. Two great teams who wear red. Begs the question who have been the most successful clubs those who wear Red or those who wear blue? If we`re talking English clubs I would suggest it`s red. Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Forest against Man City, Chelsea, Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Liverpool (w), Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd (w) & Chelsea, Man Utd, n/a, Man Utd, Chelsea (w) (05-12) was also a cracking run for English clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Redandwhitescarf said: ITV4 tonight 9pm. Bob Paisleys Liverpool and Brian Cloughs Nottingham forest. Two great teams who wear red. Begs the question who have been the most successful clubs those who wear Red or those who wear blue? It will always be red purely on how many teams where red upto blue in this country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: It will always be red purely on how many teams where red upto blue in this country It is but it`s odd when you look at international sides - blue wins hands down with Italy, France, Argentina, Uruguay (back in the day) - even Greece won the Euros. I can`t think of a top side that wears red - Belgium, Spain (recently) or Portugal maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 8 hours ago, Red_Wizard said: Cloughie was on another level than Paisley. Best manager ever on my opinion. What he achieved with Derby and then Forest was pure genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, swanker said: Best manager ever on my opinion. What he achieved with Derby and then Forest was pure genius. In the context of modern football v old Claudio Rainieri at Leicester could be considered a greater top flight title win than Forest could it not? Notwithstanding what Clough previously did with Derby and went on to do with Forest of course. Perhaps if a Burnley or a Bristol City win the Premier League title in the next 10 years or so perhaps we can water down that assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 37 minutes ago, havanatopia said: In the context of modern football v old Claudio Rainieri at Leicester could be considered a greater top flight title win than Forest could it not? Notwithstanding what Clough previously did with Derby and went on to do with Forest of course. Perhaps if a Burnley or a Bristol City win the Premier League title in the next 10 years or so perhaps we can water down that assessment. Following his successor at Derby Cough took over at forest when they were mid table in the old 2nd Div. a year or so later they won promotion. The following season they won the league. The year after that they won the European cup and again the following year. What a CV! Clough could assemble a team of unknowns and turn them into champions and internationals. Shame he never managed England. He claimed that if the FA would have given him the job he would have would the World Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 38 minutes ago, swanker said: Following his successor at Derby Cough took over at forest when they were mid table in the old 2nd Div. a year or so later they won promotion. The following season they won the league. The year after that they won the European cup and again the following year. What a CV! Clough could assemble a team of unknowns and turn them into champions and internationals. Shame he never managed England. He claimed that if the FA would have given him the job he would have would the World Cup? I eulogised about him on a Forest thread or two. Back in them there days though the teams were closer, much closer, financially and so it was more likely regardless of the extraordinary feat he achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 5 hours ago, swanker said: Best manager ever on my opinion. What he achieved with Derby and then Forest was pure genius. What he achieved at Brighton and Leeds we will not talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 I met Cloughie once , he often talked about it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: What he achieved at Brighton and Leeds we will not talk about. Leeds was a success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: Leeds was a success All 44 days of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 hours ago, BigTone said: All 44 days of it Exactly Clough interview after being sacked after 44 days with Leeds, "this is a sad day for Leeds United.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 24 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: Exactly Clough interview after being sacked after 44 days with Leeds, "this is a sad day for Leeds United.." You just gotta love the bloke . He was probably right though . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: You just gotta love the bloke . He was probably right though . Takes balls to take your first training session, at arguably the best club side in Europe at the time, and tell them to throw away their medals because they had been won by cheating. Heaven knows what he would say if he took over the Aussie cricket team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 53 minutes ago, downendcity said: Takes balls to take your first training session, at arguably the best club side in Europe at the time, and tell them to throw away their medals because they had been won by cheating. Heaven knows what he would say if he took over the Aussie cricket team! Was ever the diplomat. It was a psychological gamble that misfired. I expect the result Clough wanted was that they would take his comments and stuff them down his throat with higher performances levels, how could they be motivated to win even more ? However , most saw it as a sleight on the bloke who'd bought them so much success and whom they respected , Revie . They hated the new boss and he didn't get the time to see out his project. Ha ha ! This is what you could have won . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Was ever the diplomat. It was a psychological gamble that misfired. I expect the result Clough wanted was that they would take his comments and stuff them down his throat with higher performances levels, how could they be motivated to win even more ? However , most saw it as a sleight on the bloke who'd bought them so much success and whom they respected , Revie . They hated the new boss and he didn't get the time to see out his project. Ha ha ! This is what you could have won . Only Leeds fans see Revie as a legend. He was a crook and failed everywhere else after leaving Leeds. For anyone who hasn’t seen the famous Clough and Revie Yorkshire News Interview..type it in on YouTube. Pure gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 8 hours ago, havanatopia said: In the context of modern football v old Claudio Rainieri at Leicester could be considered a greater top flight title win than Forest could it not? Notwithstanding what Clough previously did with Derby and went on to do with Forest of course. Perhaps if a Burnley or a Bristol City win the Premier League title in the next 10 years or so perhaps we can water down that assessment. Doesn’t even compare mate,to put it in modern times it’s like wolves winning the championship and then the premiership and then the champions league in 3 seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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