LJ and Bailey Wright

[Bar BS3]

3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

 

Thought he’s been ‘ok’ since he came back but Monday like most he was awful - I lost count the number of  times he was skinned , particularly when he jumped in , and his positioning and reckless charging forward , often at wrong time , caused us real problems

I like him , like his attitude and I do disagree in so much that IMHO he gives us some thrust going forward , but IMHO he’s better coming forward than he is a typical Italian defender and I’ve not quite caught some of the gushing hype for him that some have expressed 

One of those that will look really decent when we are playing well but when we are off as a side some aspects exposed

That’s kind of my point. We don’t tend to play very well with him in the team. The only 2 occasions that we have were against a woeful Barnsley & Sheffield Wednesday (for 60 mins)

 

[Bar BS3]

2 minutes ago, Maggersno1Fan said:

Seriously?

 

Ricky Foster & Liam Fontaine come straight to my mind

Not players that I booed. 

[Maggersno1Fan]

Just now, Bar BS3 said:

Not players that I booed. 

Misread you

[BobBobSuperBob]

11 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

That’s kind of my point. We don’t tend to play very well with him in the team. The only 2 occasions that we have were against a woeful Barnsley & Sheffield Wednesday (for 60 mins)

 

It’s a fair point to chew over

Think he’s probably more of a victim of our poor form , increasingly out of sorts,  as a side 

Not sure it would be fair to lay our recent poor performances at his door - he’s come back into a side that has note been firing which isn’t easy

Ironically , as an Italian , He definitely has some defensive flaws - Numerous times I’ve seen him get too tight  behind an oppo player who flicks it past him and spins, leaving him for dust and he’s not he best at stopping the cross - Thought his attempts for Barnsley’s second was poor for example

What he does give us is some attitude and forward forays and intent , which at times , when we’ve been stagnating in games recently , has helped us get something going

Due to his likeable character / attitude I would agree that he does tend to avoid scrutiny

He’s another mixed bag for me but I’m sure would look much better and be more of an asset if we as a side were playing ok

[JoeAman08]

10 hours ago, JonDolman said:

 He was poor on the ball for sure. Was he poor at the rest of his duties? Thought him and flint managed to limit Brentford to little clear cut chances. I thought bringing him off was a strange move. Bring on pack and just give it simply to him in his deep position he plays. Simple. 

Was woeful on the ball and made at least one silly foul but at that point the damage had been done. It was the culmination of things. His poor performance on the day and over the last few games added to the same for the team. That and him being captain just seemed to all bubble over at once. 

Then he was subbed off and left open to that reaction. Pretty much quite a few things came together at once and it happened. Harsh on BW probably but that is football. Though I fear this is something he may never come back from. Not in terms of playing but the reaction when he is less than his usual solid self. 

[Bar BS3]

3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

It’s a fair point to chew over

Think he’s probably more of a victim of our poor form , increasingly out of sorts,  as a side 

Not sure it would be fair to lay our recent poor performances at his door - he’s come back into a side that has note been firing which isn’t easy

Ironically , as an Italian , He definitely has some defensive flaws - Numerous times I’ve seen him get too tight  behind an oppo player who flicks it past him and spins, leaving him for dust and he’s not he best at stopping the cross - Thought his attempts for Barnsley’s second was port for example

What he does give us is some attitude and forward forays and intent , which at times , when we’ve been stagnating in games recently , has helped us get something going

Due to his likeable character / attitude I would agree that he does tend to avoid scrutiny

He’s another mixed bag for me

It’s not just recent though. As I pointed out before, of the 9 league games he’s played 90 mins this season, we’ve only won 2. 

I fail to see the much mentioned attacking benefits he brings. As far as I can see, he has the sum total of THREE assists throughout his whole career! I’m not sure if that’s right, but it looks like it. 

[Major Isewater]

27 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

It’s a fair point to chew over

Think he’s probably more of a victim of our poor form , increasingly out of sorts,  as a side 

Not sure it would be fair to lay our recent poor performances at his door - he’s come back into a side that has note been firing which isn’t easy

Ironically , as an Italian , He definitely has some defensive flaws - Numerous times I’ve seen him get too tight  behind an oppo player who flicks it past him and spins, leaving him for dust and he’s not he best at stopping the cross - Thought his attempts for Barnsley’s second was poor for example

What he does give us is some attitude and forward forays and intent , which at times , when we’ve been stagnating in games recently , has helped us get something going

Due to his likeable character / attitude I would agree that he does tend to avoid scrutiny

He’s another mixed bag for me but I’m sure would look much better and be more of an asset if we as a side were playing ok

and if he was up to Championship match speed.

The bloke's only just come back from serious injury and been thrown in at the deep end.

He said earlier in the season that he was surprised by the speed and intensity of this league.

 

[BobBobSuperBob]

22 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

It’s not just recent though. As I pointed out before, of the 9 league games he’s played 90 mins this season, we’ve only won 2. 

Sorry that passed over me first time round - interesting stat but maybe skewed by the fact that he came back as our wheels were starting to wobble ? Let’s hope so

 

I fail to see the much mentioned attacking benefits he brings. As far as I can see, he has the sum total of THREE assists throughout his whole career! I’m not sure if that’s right, but it looks like it. 

I think he gives us attacking ‘intent’ (Rather than breathtaking technique or end product) at times when others are frozen , or on their heels and this can be helpful and eye catching at times but his decision making when to go on a charge needs tuning and something for the coaching staff to be working on / addressing 

Still think it’s a difficult time to assess him - coming back from a nasty injury into a side that has become confused , disjointed and increasingly out of sorts

With JB at left back our back four can rapidly become a back two , Tbf JB is slightly more disciplined than EP but I would assume that Pisanos charges forward must / should restrict Joes on occasions so a gain/ loss factor to consider

Like Famaras role and plusses /minuses it’s something the coaching team need to consider , make some decisive decisions and work on or change

 

[Major Isewater]

46 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

It’s a fair point to chew over

Think he’s probably more of a victim of our poor form , increasingly out of sorts,  as a side 

Not sure it would be fair to lay our recent poor performances at his door - he’s come back into a side that has note been firing which isn’t easy

Ironically , as an Italian , He definitely has some defensive flaws - Numerous times I’ve seen him get too tight  behind an oppo player who flicks it past him and spins, leaving him for dust and he’s not he best at stopping the cross - Thought his attempts for Barnsley’s second was poor for example

What he does give us is some attitude and forward forays and intent , which at times , when we’ve been stagnating in games recently , has helped us get something going

Due to his likeable character / attitude I would agree that he does tend to avoid scrutiny

He’s another mixed bag for me but I’m sure would look much better and be more of an asset if we as a side were playing ok

and if he was up to Championship match speed.

The bloke's only just come back from serious injury and been thrown in at the deep end.

He said earlier in the season that he was surprised by the speed and intensity of this league.

I'm not in the habit of repeating myself, repeating myself .

 

[Jack Dawe]

What I want to ask of the many criticising those that cheered BW's substitutions, what did you do in response?

Did you crank up a "One Bailey Wright"?

Will you crank up a "One Bailey Wright" next game/next time?

 

Backing a lad having a hard time - Hörður - has been excellent, shown we can do it. Time we extended that to other members of the team. I'm afraid not joining in with the boo boys and getting on your high horse about it later on here isn't good enough.

The "silent majority" at times like this need to step up and do something. Lots and lots of disapproval; not enough counter-action.

 

[And Its Smith]

7 hours ago, Ian M said:

Just gonna put it out there, Bailey Wright was not the problem on Monday and the ratings based on what he did in the game back that up. In my eyes it was a wasted sub as we needed to bring Pack into midfield more than we needed to change our centre back. 

Are we judging performances by an online algorithm now then?  Personally cannot stand the stats and stuff like this in todays game

[LondonBristolian]

11 hours ago, Maggersno1Fan said:

If you eat out & have a bad meal & poor service do you tell yourself the above 

I can only speak for myself but I can honestly say I have never booed a waiter...

[Tully Bascomb]

36 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said:

What I want to ask of the many criticising those that cheered BW's substitutions, what did you do in response?

Did you crank up a "One Bailey Wright"?

Will you crank up a "One Bailey Wright" next game/next time?

 

Backing a lad having a hard time - Hörður - has been excellent, shown we can do it. Time we extended that to other members of the team. I'm afraid not joining in with the boo boys and getting on your high horse about it later on here isn't good enough.

The "silent majority" at times like this need to step up and do something. Lots and lots of disapproval; not enough counter-action.

 

Sorry mate, I go to watch the football. I am neither a superfan or a cheer leader. Again, I go to watch the football.

[Chicken George]

54 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said:

What I want to ask of the many criticising those that cheered BW's substitutions, what did you do in response?

Did you crank up a "One Bailey Wright"?

Will you crank up a "One Bailey Wright" next game/next time?

 

Backing a lad having a hard time - Hörður - has been excellent, shown we can do it. Time we extended that to other members of the team. I'm afraid not joining in with the boo boys and getting on your high horse about it later on here isn't good enough.

The "silent majority" at times like this need to step up and do something. Lots and lots of disapproval; not enough counter-action.

 

Well I called everyone around me a w****r for doing it. I hope that helped. 

 

[Chicken George]

Bringing it back to BW. I posted about the lack of help he received from Bryan. 

I just remembered one incident that left me seething. In the first half, another attack had gone down our left, between Bryan & Wright. Korey came over and spoke to both of them, clearly trying to put right the awful situation that was happening between the two of them. Well, Bailey stood and listened to Korey and took on board the tactical feedback which he was presenting.  Bryan, however, turned his back and toddled off to the half way line, with Korey still trying to speak to him as he wandered off. 

Sorry to say it but I am really beginning to dislike Bryan. His attitude stinks. He’s been poor for a sustained period of games now, and offered nothing to support Bailey, and then ignored the feedback coming from a senior pro. Sell him in the summer. We are better off without him. 

[Jack Dawe]

5 minutes ago, Enter Sandman said:

Well I called everyone around me a w****r for doing it. I hope that helped. 

 

It didn't help Bailey Wright. Not good enough.

21 minutes ago, BoneyardTIM said:

Sorry mate, I go to watch the football. I am neither a superfan or a cheer leader. Again, I go to watch the football.

You go to watch "football" football in general, or anyone in particular?

[tinman85]

12 hours ago, DANWRENBCFC4LIFE said:

I said to my brother before the team was announced on Monday that I was hoping for flint and baker but l j has an unhealthy obsession with Wright 

LJ is like his dad. In crowd and out crowd. GJ couldn't manage the bigger personalities and LJ is the same. 

[Tully Bascomb]

29 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said:

It didn't help Bailey Wright. Not good enough.

You go to watch "football" football in general, or anyone in particular?

Season ticket for over 30 years, I love my team when they are good or bad, dislike the club though.

[Red-Robbo]

13 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Of course, I forgot Bailey Wright’s job was shots on target. He’s a defender for crying out loud. Remind me how many Brentford scored when he was on the pitch?

I think Wright is going through a poor patch of form - those of us with any sort of memory know what he can do when he's at his best. He's made some of the sharpest, cleanest, most clinical ball-winning tackles I've seen at AG, and whilst under pressure. 

As you say B, he was far from the cause of the collapse, which I'd suggest had more to do with the team being set up fundamentally wrong. If anything, we looked worse after Bailey went off. None of the subs exactly covered themselves in glory.

[Major Isewater]

53 minutes ago, Enter Sandman said:

Well I called everyone around me a w****r for doing it. I hope that helped. 

 

How did you find the hospital food ?

[Major Isewater]

50 minutes ago, Enter Sandman said:

Bringing it back to BW. I posted about the lack of help he received from Bryan. 

I just remembered one incident that left me seething. In the first half, another attack had gone down our left, between Bryan & Wright. Korey came over and spoke to both of them, clearly trying to put right the awful situation that was happening between the two of them. Well, Bailey stood and listened to Korey and took on board the tactical feedback which he was presenting.  Bryan, however, turned his back and toddled off to the half way line, with Korey still trying to speak to him as he wandered off. 

Sorry to say it but I am really beginning to dislike Bryan. His attitude stinks. He’s been poor for a sustained period of games now, and offered nothing to support Bailey, and then ignored the feedback coming from a senior pro. Sell him in the summer. We are better off without him. 

Sell them all .

[EmissionImpossible]

Blimey, this is getting ridiculous. To my knowledge only Bobby Reid and possibly Josh Brownhill are the only players to escape criticism this season. Pisano, Fielding, Smith And now Bryan?? Bryan has been shifted around the team and to me looks exhausted. But most of the team seem to have been singled out at some point this season and it’s ridiculous. Sometimes just a few people chip in admittedly but good grief people, what the hell is going on.

[Ivorguy]

4 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said:

Blimey, this is getting ridiculous. To my knowledge only Bobby Reid and possibly Josh Brownhill are the only players to escape criticism this season. Pisano, Fielding, Smith And now Bryan?? Bryan has been shifted around the team and to me looks exhausted. But most of the team seem to have been singled out at some point this season and it’s ridiculous. Sometimes just a few people chip in admittedly but good grief people, what the hell is going on.

If we knew what was going on there would be no fun speculating

Personally I blame the Russians

[GrahamC]

9 hours ago, Ian M said:

Just gonna put it out there, Bailey Wright was not the problem on Monday and the ratings based on what he did in the game back that up. In my eyes it was a wasted sub as we needed to bring Pack into midfield more than we needed to change our centre back. 

Absolutely this.

100%.

[Chicken George]

14 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said:

Blimey, this is getting ridiculous. To my knowledge only Bobby Reid and possibly Josh Brownhill are the only players to escape criticism this season. Pisano, Fielding, Smith And now Bryan?? Bryan has been shifted around the team and to me looks exhausted. But most of the team seem to have been singled out at some point this season and it’s ridiculous. Sometimes just a few people chip in admittedly but good grief people, what the hell is going on.

Ah, the Joe Bryan apologists. Whenever he gets a bit of flak someone always finds an excuse for him. 

Face it, he’s been shit for a while now. He’s not as good as the hype. 

35 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

How did you find the hospital food ?

Got a few looks. No one tried anything. If they did, they’d be sampling the food too. 

[General Zod]

13 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

There is no way that Bailey Wright gives anything less than 100% every game....can’t believe the OP is insinuating otherwise...

I agree BW gives 100%.  He’s been asked to play out of position most of this season and he’s seems to be the sort of guy that just rolls up his sleaves and gets on with it. My problem is that when the squad is fully fit he shouldn’t be first choice and definitely LJ shouldn’t be asking him to play at left centre back.  For the club to progress BW is the type of player we need in the squad, he’s reasonably young, is a championship and international regular and can fill multiple positions without letting anyone down.  Perfect squad player but we now have better first team options in my view.  It’s not BW fault that the squads weak and we’ve not had specialist RB cover all season or that LJ preferred him over Baker and also named him as captain.  I think for all these reasons BW was unlucky to get boos, forms been poor all over the pitch for so long now, season tickets renewals was handle poorly and the mood around the club has changed.  Add to that BW game wasn’t great on Monday and unfortunately he had the brunt of the general bad feeling.  

[Nogbad the Bad]

2 hours ago, Jack Dawe said:

What I want to ask of the many criticising those that cheered BW's substitutions, what did you do in response?

Did you crank up a "One Bailey Wright"?

Will you crank up a "One Bailey Wright" next game/next time?

 

Backing a lad having a hard time - Hörður - has been excellent, shown we can do it. Time we extended that to other members of the team. I'm afraid not joining in with the boo boys and getting on your high horse about it later on here isn't good enough.

The "silent majority" at times like this need to step up and do something. Lots and lots of disapproval; not enough counter-action.

 

I suspect the 'silent majority' were made up of those that thoroughly approved BW's sustitution but were not moved to vocalise it.

Those that did probably aimed their ironic cheers at the coach as much as the player.

I wouldn't imagine there were many who disapproved of the substitution and most fans would react, or not, as they wish to while being content to let other fans vent as they see fit.

[EmissionImpossible]

23 minutes ago, Enter Sandman said:

Ah, the Joe Bryan apologists. Whenever he gets a bit of flak someone always finds an excuse for him. 

Face it, he’s been shit for a while now. He’s not as good as the hype.. 

He’s been in our top three players this season. He may not be as good as his hype but that’s what happens when you score a great goal against Manchester United, the media go crazy.

Shit is way over the top.

[Nogbad the Bad]

44 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said:

Blimey, this is getting ridiculous. To my knowledge only Bobby Reid and possibly Josh Brownhill are the only players to escape criticism this season. Pisano, Fielding, Smith And now Bryan?? Bryan has been shifted around the team and to me looks exhausted. But most of the team seem to have been singled out at some point this season and it’s ridiculous. Sometimes just a few people chip in admittedly but good grief people, what the hell is going on.

It's a forum where all players contributions and performances will be scrutinised.

They wallowed in avalanches of praise when they merited it.

After recent performances it's only natural scrutiny will include criticism.

As long as none of it is OTT I can't see any problem.

[Chicken George]

17 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said:

He’s been in our top three players this season. He may not be as good as his hype but that’s what happens when you score a great goal against Manchester United, the media go crazy.

Shit is way over the top.

No, he’s not been in our top 3 players this season. 

Reid, Pack, Smith, Flint, Baker, Fielding all easily above him. Arguably Wright, Patterson & Brownhill too.