Port Said Red Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 On 17/07/2018 at 12:38, Ian M said: The weird thing for me is LJ said in an interview that they will be appealing as the evidence is weak with no video footage of the spit. That would suggest his 6 game ban is based on witness testimony, despite us videoing the entire pitch for performance analysis purposes. Either LJ lied in the interview and video evidence does exist or the FA has ignored the video in preference of witnesses saying he did it. As I said before, the problem is that no matter how flimsy the evidence the original conviction was made on, unless we can come up with clear evidence he didn't spit, they were never going to overturn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Port Said Red said: As I said before, the problem is that no matter how flimsy the evidence the original conviction was made on, unless we can come up with clear evidence he didn't spit, they were never going to overturn it. You don’t need to prove you didn’t do something..! There must be evidence that he did it. Assuming that he did, he deserves punishment, although 6 games does seem very harsh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: You don’t need to prove you didn’t do something..! There must be evidence that he did it. Assuming that he did, he deserves punishment, although 6 games does seem very harsh! You do if you are going to make the FA back down on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Port Said Red said: As I said before, the problem is that no matter how flimsy the evidence the original conviction was made on, unless we can come up with clear evidence he didn't spit, they were never going to overturn it. I'm no legal expert, but I thought in English law the onus is on the prosecution to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the accused party committed the offence not that the defence has to prove he didn't.. I can't believe the FA work differently ( although with the FA nothing is impossible!) so it was for them to prove that Fammy spat at the Brum player and this is where the questioning has been - the apparent lack of evidence. As I mentioned yesterday, looking at the Brum forum when he was first charged, most of their posters didn't even know there had been an incident. although one said he saw Davis losing his rag in the 52nd minute, but didn't know what it was about. Notwithstanding the television coverage, which is pretty comprehensive these days, how many fans are filming games from all parts of the ground? If this had happened at AG with an opposing player spitting at one of ours, I reckon there would be fans posting film of the incident on social media within minutes and especially if it helped to identify the offender and ensure the right punishment. I keep repeating that this whole affair is just very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 hours ago, downendcity said: DVD's of Rover's games? Their “101 Great Throw-ins” offering was their best seller last Xmas ......! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: You don’t need to prove you didn’t do something..! There must be evidence that he did it. Assuming that he did, he deserves punishment, although 6 games does seem very harsh! This is one thing that confuses me. If there is clear evidence that he did it, then why did the club appeal? I can only conclude that the evidence, such that it is, is very flimsy indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Their “101 Great Throw-ins” offering was their best seller last Xmas ......! Their lastest video is an instructional one - "How your local scout troop can help erect your stadium in time for the new season as part of bob-a-job week". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, downendcity said: Their lastest video is an instructional one - "How your local scout troop can help erect your stadium in time for the new season as part of bob-a-job week". They`d still balk at paying the bob - probably try and get the Council to pay it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 What would happen if city seriously didn’t think the fa acted legally, and they field fammy v forest ? To expose the corruption somebody has to make a stand ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted July 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 At risk of opening a can of worms I feel that spitting - disgusting as it is - doesn’t merit a stronger punishment than a leg-breaking tackle. Its like Adam Johnson doing 6 years for sexual activity (not intercourse) with a 15 year old where the killers of Baby P got only 2 with a new identity and life waiting for them. Maybe 6 years is right for AJ but surely Baby P deserved more? Different judging body and different crimes (all are crimes worthy of punishment) but hopefully you get my drift. It’s about the punishment fitting the crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 6 hours ago, bengalcub said: What would happen if city seriously didn’t think the fa acted legally, and they field fammy v forest ? To expose the corruption somebody has to make a stand ... Wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 On 17/07/2018 at 19:58, View from the Dolman said: The FA charge outlined the allegation... INCIDENT OF MISCONDUCT Famara Diedhiou, Player, Bristol City FC Bristol City FC v Birmingham City FC English Football League Championship 10 April 2018 Breach of FA Rule E1 (a) – It is alleged that in or around the 52nd minute of the fixture, contrary to FIFA Laws of the Game – Law 12, Mr Diedhiou spat at Mr. David Davis. http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/may/08/fa-charges---april-2018 Well after the hash he and Tricky Treesa have made of the Brexit negotiations I expect he's had worse than being spat at by a footballer!! 9 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said: At risk of opening a can of worms I feel that spitting - disgusting as it is - doesn’t merit a stronger punishment than a leg-breaking tackle. The thing here though is intent. A leg breaking tackle could be reckless, it could be mistimed, it could be deliberate, it could just be a freak way in which someone moved - it's sometimes difficult to tell 100%... and lets be honest, Roy Keane aside, few have actually set out to break someone's leg. Whereas spitting......As has been said - there is no doubt involved if there's evidence. It's an intentional display of aggression and disrespect. In a sport in which it's "heroes" are looked up to by kids growing up all over the world, it's something that should carry a huge ban. As others have said though, the "evidence" seems to be flimsy at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 15 hours ago, downendcity said: I'm no legal expert, but I thought in English law the onus is on the prosecution to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the accused party committed the offence not that the defence has to prove he didn't.. I can't believe the FA work differently ( although with the FA nothing is impossible!) so it was for them to prove that Fammy spat at the Brum player and this is where the questioning has been - the apparent lack of evidence. As I mentioned yesterday, looking at the Brum forum when he was first charged, most of their posters didn't even know there had been an incident. although one said he saw Davis losing his rag in the 52nd minute, but didn't know what it was about. Wasn't John Terry cleared by a court of law but banned and fined by the FA over the Anton Ferdinand incident ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Loon plage said: Wasn't John Terry cleared by a court of law but banned and fined by the FA over the Anton Ferdinand incident ? ...but that was for being a knob - not an offence in English Law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 12 hours ago, bengalcub said: What would happen if city seriously didn’t think the fa acted legally, and they field fammy v forest ? To expose the corruption somebody has to make a stand ... Game would be awarded to Forest. Probably a small fine also. Either that or a 3 point deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRed Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Lose our first game?? Johnson Out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just trying to think of a way to get to the truth I know we are just fans so therefor don’t deserve to be shown the evidence and for full silence from the club we support is to be expected , start of the season is going to be fun no fammy , Milan may or may not be here , Taylors waited for his chance so hopefully he will take it ..... just hope little Lee isn’t assessing Webster as a cf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 hours ago, downendcity said: ...but that was for being a knob - not an offence in English Law. I believe calling someone a black *** is against the law surely ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Loon plage said: I believe calling someone a black *** is against the law surely ?. A slight whooosh for you LP. Of course the racial offence is against the law but........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Just read the club statement again and it reads the club and player still strongly deny the charge ? Surely if somebody or something was trying to tarnish your reputation and money was no object you would fight tooth and nail to clear your name ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradleyStokeRed Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 We might win the first 6 games then!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 10 hours ago, bengalcub said: Just read the club statement again and it reads the club and player still strongly deny the charge ? Surely if somebody or something was trying to tarnish your reputation and money was no object you would fight tooth and nail to clear your name ? Court of Arbitration for Sport is the next step if we want to push it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Bet the club is spitting feathers at this verdict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langford Red Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 He must have done something But very harsh for what it must have been City are at fault for not letting us know what happened Something must have happened however small lets hope Birmingham get what willcome to them coma things always return when you lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Bicester Red said: He must have done something But very harsh for what it must have been City are at fault for not letting us know what happened Something must have happened however small lets hope Birmingham get what willcome to them coma things always return when you lie Don't want to go as far as getting the players involved in a very bad accident surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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