daored Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Heads up to those who buy a programme , price increase to £3.50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 it was coming, the club produces them at a loss, and there was even a vote not so long ago to get rid of them completely as the vast majority of clubs lose money on them, https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44396446 Don't be surprised if the go completely and become available on the app only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 the problem is the dearer they get the less they sell, it's like a dog chasing it's tail, the buses are the same they think the solution to not making money is to increase fares, it's better to have 40 people paying £2 each than 25 paying £2.50, they can't see it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Why don't they just print it on cheaper paper, with less of the shite nobody cares about in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, pillred said: the problem is the dearer they get the less they sell, it's like a dog chasing it's tail, the buses are the same they think the solution to not making money is to increase fares, it's better to have 40 people paying £2 each than 25 paying £2.50, they can't see it though. the problem is the cost of actually producing them selling the for £2 when it costs £3 to produce no one wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undy English Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, Monkeh said: the problem is the cost of actually producing them selling the for £2 when it costs £3 to produce no one wins Is there no way they could do a 'cheaper' smaller version though? Personally all I'd be interested in seeing in the programme is our team for the day, a bit about the opposition (i.e. players to watch, form etc.) and then maybe a small page of club news, all in, 5-6 pages. At the moment we have some big glossy looking magazine packed with features. Take it back to grass roots like the non-league teams who produce billy-basic programmes that supporters actually buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Undy English said: Is there no way they could do a 'cheaper' smaller version though? Personally all I'd be interested in seeing in the programme is our team for the day, a bit about the opposition (i.e. players to watch, form etc.) and then maybe a small page of club news, all in, 5-6 pages. At the moment we have some big glossy looking magazine packed with features. Take it back to grass roots like the non-league teams who produce billy-basic programmes that supporters actually buy. it's not just us, its the entire football league, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, Monkeh said: the problem is the cost of actually producing them selling the for £2 when it costs £3 to produce no one wins don't know what the answer is but putting up the price of anything is usually counterproductive, if the cost of making a programme is £3 then obviously they need to charge at least that, maybe we have got to the point where programmes are no longer financially viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Undy English said: Is there no way they could do a 'cheaper' smaller version though? Personally all I'd be interested in seeing in the programme is our team for the day, a bit about the opposition (i.e. players to watch, form etc.) and then maybe a small page of club news, all in, 5-6 pages. At the moment we have some big glossy looking magazine packed with features. Take it back to grass roots like the non-league teams who produce billy-basic programmes that supporters actually buy. At non-league level though programmes are also in decline and more and more clubs are not producing printed versions anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Does anyone still buy one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 1 minute ago, pillred said: don't know what the answer is but putting up the price of anything is usually counterproductive, if the cost of making a programme is £3 then obviously they need to charge at least that, maybe we have got to the point where programmes are no longer financially viable. the answer is to stop producing them, I suspect we will by next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devoncider Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Just now, handsofclay said: At non-league level though programmes are also in decline and more and more clubs are not producing printed versions anymore. same with the egg chasers - Championship side Jersey have just announced they will not be producing programmes - all online now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Why are they produced on paper to a cost. Most clubs give them digitally away for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 34 minutes ago, pillred said: the problem is the dearer they get the less they sell, it's like a dog chasing it's tail, the buses are the same they think the solution to not making money is to increase fares, it's better to have 40 people paying £2 each than 25 paying £2.50, they can't see it though. I’m sure they can see it, and know what the demand is for the product, as well as knowing the cost and the margins involved. I’d wager that people that buy a programme will do so whether it’s £2, £3, £3.50 or whatever, whereas the amount of people who would buy them at £2 but not £3 is tiny. Likewise the bus being £1 cheaper isn’t going to get thousands more using the bus. The target market for printed media is rapidly shrinking, but like most things, getting more expensive to produce. It’s a one way ticket unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: Why are they produced on paper to a cost. Most clubs give them digitally away for free. Most clubs? Really? Where are these clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Just now, View from the Dolman said: Most clubs? Really? Where are these clubs? Abroad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 I used to buy them religiously, but early part of last season I stopped. Couple of reason’s: Joe has grown out of wanting to get player autographs, and the programme was good for that putpose all the content was pretty much on the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 It's the future. Not only the cost for printing but also to get them printed as we are not exactly the main customer with this small job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 A mate was selling programmes for AIK Solna homegames til last season. He is now a host for an area where children can play computer games at the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 3, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Used to buy one every game I went to but literally ran out of space to store them all City seemed to have this fascination of producting them in a stupid size, surely it is all about fitting in your pocket? As for the increase in costs - surely the number of adverts within a programme cover the majority of costs, hopefully those sponsoring have seen a likewise increase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zookeeper WSM Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 42 minutes ago, Undy English said: Is there no way they could do a 'cheaper' smaller version though? Personally all I'd be interested in seeing in the programme is our team for the day, a bit about the opposition (i.e. players to watch, form etc.) and then maybe a small page of club news, all in, 5-6 pages. At the moment we have some big glossy looking magazine packed with features. Take it back to grass roots like the non-league teams who produce billy-basic programmes that supporters actually buy. Agree with this. I'd pay £2 for what you describe rather than £3.50 for the current format. I also think they should sell them in the local pubs (which would be easier with a smaller format). I want to read about the opposition before I get to the ground not after I leave or half time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Buy a fanzine instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted August 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 35 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I used to buy them religiously, but early part of last season I stopped. Couple of reason’s: Joe has grown out of wanting to get player autographs, and the programme was good for that putpose all the content was pretty much on the OS. Must admit I buy programmes home and away. I personally think our programme is one of the worst in the league in terms of content and design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 37 minutes ago, phantom said: Used to buy one every game I went to but literally ran out of space to store them all Same here. Now I only buy programmes at the couple of away games I manage to make each season. I go to every home game but rarely get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 The quality is good compared to programmes of the past, but they should stop doing them. Maybe just produce them for larger games where people like mementos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 3, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fiale said: The quality is good compared to programmes of the past, but they should stop doing them. Maybe just produce them for larger games where people like mementos. But look what they did for the Manchester games last season, it was like a magazine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Personally I would go the following route with programmes. Make them a cheap, almost throwaway type programme. Stop trying to make them collectible and special. If people want to collect them they will regardless. To go with that, cheaper paper. Think the type of paper you get in those old TV Guide magazines. It's thin but holds the ink and colour just fine. Less focus on new and special articles, we know everything from the internet now anyway so what's the point? More focus on easily updateable articles, stats etc. More adverts. As I said above, focus on it being more a throwaway piece than collectible. Compare it more to the TV magazines of old rather than it being something special. Not every game is special. With more adverts, cheaper paper and easily updated articles rather than trying to to be some sort of specialist magazine that reduces costs in every area. Ultimately, the price needs to drop to about £1 or £1.50, if that. As a comparison, when going to Basketball and American Football games in the US, they give out programmes for free. Why? They're on cheaper paper, have lots of advertisements that cover the cost and just small articles that have been prepared months in advance. It's simple. Yes, we're compromising on what is inside but we get all this information on the internet now anyway so are these articles and time spent on them raelly giving fans any additional insight? A lot of people just get a programme as a memory of the game or to keep their collection going, this allows people to keep doing that at a much cheaper cost and with the cheaper price point it gives a much wider audience as more people will buy. A wider audience means more interested advertisers. I don't know why it's insisted on that the programme be some sort of great piece of journalism, it really doesn't need to be. Save all that for the website. If you really wanted you could even have QR codes on certain pages so people can scan it on their phone and read a bigger version of the story on the official site. Keep it cheap, keep it simple. There's no need to try and keep making it better and special... It's not. It's just a programme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 2 hours ago, pillred said: the problem is the dearer they get the less they sell, it's like a dog chasing it's tail, the buses are the same they think the solution to not making money is to increase fares, it's better to have 40 people paying £2 each than 25 paying £2.50, they can't see it though. Pretty sure they can see it but it’s not as simple as your GCSE economics would have us believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 A printed programme is pretty pointless for an informed fan - that said I still used to buy them sometimes for information on the away team. None of the content on the home team is likely to be of use to anyone using the Internet. They’re largely an anachronism from the pre Internet age. A decent online match preview with information about the visitors would be the best option now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Big % rise on a shilling (5p) could have been 1/11p though, cant remember and I am not going through the boxes in the attic to find out; can they not sort a downloadable one for those millions of mobile phone worshippers; after all its not very pc is it and a waste of paper in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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