Let's hear you then pack fans

[Beni71]

Pack is very effective with movement  in front of him. Thought Wednesday won the tactical battle first half. Let us have the ball and filled the space well with little room in behind. Don’t think he’s on the top of his game but can’t fault his effort and kept going to the end. 

[Huntstile Red]

Diedhieu wasn't a waste of money last season with a good game:goal ratio. He's pretty poor at the moment, certainly, but as with all rantz and immediate post-match blurting, it'd not down to one man.

Pack has got better and better every season with us. He's the only one with an eye for a pass that can rival Bannan, one of the best in the div. Pack's not playing at his best, either, but some of his passes today were still exquisite. Even when he's a 4 or 5 out of 10 he'll still hit a pass no-one else could. One in front of the Dolman, foot across the ball, making a triangle to daSilva, was classy (I give that as an example to substantiate saying some of his passes were exquisite).

The whole team are off form at the moment. It was static today. The number of times Taylor had the ball and dithered, not knowing where to pass it as everyone was bored (that's how they looked), this didn't help Pack. If our lot don't move enough, pulling opposition players out of position and creating spaces, Pack has less to create with. He's clearly missing the movement of Reid. The whole team is. We're left with a team of humdrummers who just run around a bit. Epitomised by the right back, whatever his name is.

If you want to start a thread on Pack's poor form, we might as well have 11 individual threads - he's not the only one.

[Dullmoan Tone]

1 hour ago, shelts said:

Missing Smith 

When was the last time Smith ran the game and we won?

It wasn’t the lack of Smith, it was that we have no attacking midfield, every one seems to want to pass it wide for a cross even when they are in touching distance of the penalty area - please just shoot sometimes..

[Harry]

59 minutes ago, Rob k said:

 It sure on this one Har, i don’t think he had a good game by his standards which i think are now very high. I thought for him he wasted a lot of possession 

I do agree he wasn’t helped in there today however

Can’t agree there Rob. I counted the times he lost possession and it was a grand total of 6. 

1 - running back toward his own half, chasing a bouncing ball, looked to hook it back to the left wing but didn’t quite execute it. 

2 - Lofted one over to the right wing but overhit it. 

3 - attempted through ball to Matt T but slightly overhit and keeper collected. 

4 - pass to the right, to Hunt, who was on his heels and their full back intercepted. From this one Weds attacked and had a cross. It was the only time the surrender of possession from Pack resulted in anything remotely dangerous. 

5 & 6 were just nothing major but were attempted passes forward that were intercepted. 

I noted that every one of those 6 occasions there were moans and groans. After example 1, 10 seconds later Brownhill passed it out of bounds on a 10 yard simple ball with no defender in the way and people applauded his effort!! 

Brownhill also gave it away when collecting from the CB’s and nearly resulted in a goal against. He was terrible today and lost it nearly every time he got it. 

Long and short of it is that people are saying Pack gave the ball away loads today, but I counted, and it was 6 times. Considering he attempted more passes than anyone else and gave it away probably the least I honestly don’t get the beef against him. He made numerous excellent tackles today and also a good block on a cross that could have been dangerous. He released Silva a few times down the left with slide rule one-two’s, he attempted a number of through balls and other times had little option but retained possession. 

All in all, he didn’t dominate the game, nor create a whole lot, but he tackled, battled, didn’t shirk and only surrendered possession 6 times. 

I’d give him a 6.5 out of 10 which would be only bettered by Kelly and possibly Taylor. 

[TV Tom]

9 minutes ago, Harry said:

Can’t agree there Rob. I counted the times he lost possession and it was a grand total of 6. 

1 - running back toward his own half, chasing a bouncing ball, looked to hook it back to the left wing but didn’t quite execute it. 

2 - Lofted one over to the right wing but overhit it. 

3 - attempted through ball to Matt T but slightly overhit and keeper collected. 

4 - pass to the right, to Hunt, who was on his heels and their full back intercepted. From this one Weds attacked and had a cross. It was the only time the surrender of possession from Pack resulted in anything remotely dangerous. 

5 & 6 were just nothing major but were attempted passes forward that were intercepted. 

I noted that every one of those 6 occasions there were moans and groans. After example 1, 10 seconds later Brownhill passed it out of bounds on a 10 yard simple ball with no defender in the way and people applauded his effort!! 

Brownhill also gave it away when collecting from the CB’s and nearly resulted in a goal against. He was terrible today and lost it nearly every time he got it. 

Long and short of it is that people are saying Pack gave the ball away loads today, but I counted, and it was 6 times. Considering he attempted more passes than anyone else and gave it away probably the least I honestly don’t get the beef against him. He made numerous excellent tackles today and also a good block on a cross that could have been dangerous. He released Silva a few times down the left with slide rule one-two’s, he attempted a number of through balls and other times had little option but retained possession. 

All in all, he didn’t dominate the game, nor create a whole lot, but he tackled, battled, didn’t shirk and only surrendered possession 6 times. 

I’d give him a 6.5 out of 10 which would be only bettered by Kelly and possibly Taylor. 

Are you Mrs Pack ? IfMarlon took that Toblerone out of his right boot he’d be a far better player 

[BilboBaggins05]

1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

Can't agree there, BB. I think Josh was one of our poorest players today. 

I think that he , as with pack, needs a midfielder who is capable of passing the ball well. This is where our recruitment will screw us over. 

[Harry]

15 minutes ago, harrys said:

Are you Mrs Pack ? IfMarlon took that Toblerone out of his right boot he’d be a far better player 

Go on then, tell me what he did wrong aside from the 6 occasions he gave the ball away, which I’ve exampled. He did nothing else wrong aside from those so don’t know where the toblerone foot comment comes from? 

Go on, give me your further examples of surrendering possession bar those 6. I’ll wait a long time cuz I counted and there was only those 6. 

[Coombsy]

Was funny when pack took the letter of the wed player and started to read it until the ref took it of pack

[shelts]

1 hour ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

When was the last time Smith ran the game and we won?

It wasn’t the lack of Smith, it was that we have no attacking midfield, every one seems to want to pass it wide for a cross even when they are in touching distance of the penalty area - please just shoot sometimes..

Need a player to break up play, get amongst em 

[Lee0]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

Can’t agree there Rob. I counted the times he lost possession and it was a grand total of 6. 

1 - running back toward his own half, chasing a bouncing ball, looked to hook it back to the left wing but didn’t quite execute it. 

2 - Lofted one over to the right wing but overhit it. 

3 - attempted through ball to Matt T but slightly overhit and keeper collected. 

4 - pass to the right, to Hunt, who was on his heels and their full back intercepted. From this one Weds attacked and had a cross. It was the only time the surrender of possession from Pack resulted in anything remotely dangerous. 

5 & 6 were just nothing major but were attempted passes forward that were intercepted. 

I noted that every one of those 6 occasions there were moans and groans. After example 1, 10 seconds later Brownhill passed it out of bounds on a 10 yard simple ball with no defender in the way and people applauded his effort!! 

Brownhill also gave it away when collecting from the CB’s and nearly resulted in a goal against. He was terrible today and lost it nearly every time he got it. 

Long and short of it is that people are saying Pack gave the ball away loads today, but I counted, and it was 6 times. Considering he attempted more passes than anyone else and gave it away probably the least I honestly don’t get the beef against him. He made numerous excellent tackles today and also a good block on a cross that could have been dangerous. He released Silva a few times down the left with slide rule one-two’s, he attempted a number of through balls and other times had little option but retained possession. 

All in all, he didn’t dominate the game, nor create a whole lot, but he tackled, battled, didn’t shirk and only surrendered possession 6 times. 

I’d give him a 6.5 out of 10 which would be only bettered by Kelly and possibly Taylor. 

I'd give him a 6/6.5 too today, but I can remember 3 other times in the first half that you've not mentioned.

1/ playing a 1-2 with JDS his return went straight out of play ( though it wasn't easy and was just a yd too long)

2/ FK that found nobody

3/ Right on 45 mins, a pass to the left that was 10 yds in front of his team mate (JDS I think) and would if gone over his head anyway.

[TV Tom]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

Go on then, tell me what he did wrong aside from the 6 occasions he gave the ball away, which I’ve exampled. He did nothing else wrong aside from those so don’t know where the toblerone foot comment comes from? 

Go on, give me your further examples of surrendering possession bar those 6. I’ll wait a long time cuz I counted and there was only those 6. 

Oh dear, are you for real? i’d run out of fingers if I tried to count the number of misplaced passes he made

[Harry]

8 minutes ago, Lee0 said:

I'd give him a 6/6.5 too today, but I can remember 3 other times in the first half that you've not mentioned.

1/ playing a 1-2 with JDS his return went straight out of play ( though it wasn't easy and was just a yd too long)

2/ FK that found nobody

3/ Right on 45 mins, a pass to the left that was 10 yds in front of his team mate (JDS I think) and would if gone over his head anyway.

Your example No 1 was poor control from Silva. The pass itself was fine 

example 3 was one my two I didn’t detail 

[Harry]

5 minutes ago, harrys said:

Oh dear, are you for real? i’d run out of fingers if I tried to count the number of misplaced passes he made

I’m ever so sorry that you lost a hand 

[Huntstile Red]

7 minutes ago, harrys said:

Oh dear, are you for real? i’d run out of fingers if I tried to count the number of misplaced passes he made

I think he's asking you to pinpoint them, Boss, rather than just randomly say you haven't got enough fingers. Watch the game back, assess his pass completion in the cold light of day. It's often v surprising what we see watching the 90 mins back. Plus, even if Pack did misplace more than 10 (presuming all your digits are intact, no work-based injuries etc etc) that's because he sees so much more of the ball and proportionally, he's not to blame and his incomplete total is not going to be more than Fam or Bakes or Hunt.

We're missing the point here, as always. Largely, the more you like a player the more you defend him (although, conversely, I love Fam but am finding it hard to counteract people's arguments for putting him on the bench at the mo).

Pack may or may not have had his best/worst game, but he's not the root of our troubles (marginal as they may be compared to losing 8 in a row - time yet, obvs). 

[Spoons]

5 hours ago, brizzlecityfc said:

Utterly shocking yet again. We have been dreadful for weeks and weeks and Marlon pack is the man who is there to drive us forward.. No wonder we're playing how we're playing.

diediou go back to the French league waste of so much money.

 

JOHNSON OUT... STILL

Stick my aubergine ( Eggplant) up your arse sideways !!

[Red-Robbo]

1 hour ago, BilboBaggins05 said:

I think that he , as with pack, needs a midfielder who is capable of passing the ball well. This is where our recruitment will screw us over. 

And it's fair to say, that defensive midfielder isn't really a position that allows the lad to play to his strengths.

Trouble is when you look at the bench, who else do you put there? Hegeler? That'd be one hell of a gamble!

[TV Tom]

7 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

And it's fair to say, that defensive midfielder isn't really a position that allows the lad to play to his strengths.

Trouble is when you look at the bench, who else do you put there? Hegeler? That'd be one hell of a gamble!

Not sure I go along it’s all this defensive midfielder stuff, Bannan spent most of the game sat just in front of his back four yet you wouldn’t discribe him as a defensive midfielder

[TonyTonyTony]

The truth of this is that there is no competition for CM. On his day Pack is a good Champ player but since KS injury him and JB are first choice starters. Walsh hasn’t played so both MP and JB are almost guaranteed a start. That’s not healthy

[Red-Robbo]

2 minutes ago, harrys said:

Not sure I go along it’s all this defensive midfielder stuff, Bannan spent most of the game sat just in front of his back four yet you wouldn’t discribe him as a defensive midfielder

Bannan was certainly very deep during the first half, H. Luckily for us.

Wednesday were not really interested in pushing up much it seemed.

Whether this was rope-a-dope stuff or due to circumstances, I don't know.

When they saw us squandering multiple chances they clearly took heart and I expect a word was had at H/T.

BB was much more of a forward running entity after the break.

[TV Tom]

3 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Bannan was certainly very deep during the first half, H. Luckily for us.

Wednesday were not really interested in pushing up much it seemed.

Whether this was rope-a-dope stuff or due to circumstances, I don't know.

When they saw us squandering multiple chances they clearly took heart and I expect a word was had at H/T.

BB was much more of a forward running entity after the break.

I think you’re right there, my point is that they are completely different midfielders yet both parked themselves in front of the back four (at least for the first 45 minutes) as someone stated earlier would it be such a bad idea to put someone like O’Dowda a go in Pack’s position if only to give Pack a break?

[BobBobSuperBob]

9 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Bannan was certainly very deep during the first half, H. Luckily for us.

Wednesday were not really interested in pushing up much it seemed.

Whether this was rope-a-dope stuff or due to circumstances, I don't know.

When they saw us squandering multiple chances they clearly took heart and I expect a word was had at H/T.

BB was much more of a forward running entity after the break.

Big difference was

when BB had the ball no one closed him down or went within 5-10 yards of him with a number of easy options to pass to 

Virtually every time Pack has it he’s closed down / pressed with often zero options 

[BilboBaggins05]

26 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

And it's fair to say, that defensive midfielder isn't really a position that allows the lad to play to his strengths.

Trouble is when you look at the bench, who else do you put there? Hegeler? That'd be one hell of a gamble!

Yeah but if this is how it’s going currently then there’s no harm in trying it, If he sat and swept in front of the defence then we’d have maybe better defensive coverage and it would free up Brownhill and Pack. It’s one worth trying imo 

[Red-Robbo]

2 minutes ago, harrys said:

I think you’re right there, my point is that they are completely different midfielders yet both parked themselves in front of the back four (at least for the first 45 minutes) as someone stated earlier would it be such a bad idea to put someone like O’Dowda a go in Pack’s position if only to give Pack a break?

Be a risky experiment........   but perhaps no more risky than saying Brownhill and Pack are our central midfield and we have noother options other than play them whatever form they are in....  

[Curr Avon]

5 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I watched him closely today after all the recent criticism recentlyand  he wasn’t good

BUT he Did show the b***s to keep trying, keep going unlike some (Shameful)

And I actually lost count  the number Of times he had the ball and not ONE player moved at all for him giving him absolutely zero options

A pathetic performance which looked palatable at times merely due to Weds apparent complete lack of interest - they were dreadful ......and wandered away with 3 points

If anyone can’t see many worrying signs they simply weren’t there or watched us properly this season 

Very true, Bob. And another worrying sign us that Pack and Brownhill appear to be undroppable, regardless of poor form because Liam Walsh, our only other fit specialist central midfielder has played zero minutes in the League this season. 

[Red-Robbo]

1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Big difference was

when BB had the ball no one closed him down or went within 5-10 yards of him with a number of easy options to pass to 

Virtually every time Pack has it he’s closed down / pressed with often zero options 

I'm a  massive Bannan fan and I think one of the reasons it looked like this was that he more or less had decided what he was going to do with the ball before he even receives it - and 9 times out of 10 that's to pick out a killer pass.

Pack has different strengths, but for decision-making I don't think he can match BB.

[TV Tom]

11 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

I'm a  massive Bannan fan and I think one of the reasons it looked like this was that he more or less had decided what he was going to do with the ball before he even receives it - and 9 times out of 10 that's to pick out a killer pass.

Pack has different strengths, but for decision-making I don't think he can match BB.

Right again RR, unfortunately for us BB is far and away a better player than Pack but in saying that there are not many better midfielders in this division than Bannan, would love him in our team 

[BobBobSuperBob]

The vilification Of Pack (Who would have been (wrongly) one of the first I replaced from SCs team btw)

is now simply embarrassing

There were at least two performances today (Not for the first time) that were embarrassing for their lack of desire alone and a whole queue of candidates for individual performances worse than Marlon today 

I can think of only two who I’d immediately say were better 

Think some should start to open their eyes and watch forr those hiding ,the complete lack of movement and options and the head coach picking the side and doing th coaching who continues to stand on the sidelines and witness this but no change or improvement to help his key player 

If Marlon Pack is as poor as some are making out then we are in real trouble as he remains key us and will continue to be so with LJs current ‘plan’

[BilboBaggins05]

4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

The vilification Of Pack (Who would have been (wrongly) one of the first I replaced from SCs team btw)

is now simply embarrassing

There were at least two performances today (Not for the first time) that were embarrassing for their lack of desire alone and a whole queue of candidates for individual performances worse than Marlon today 

I can think of only two who I’d immediately say were better 

Think some should start to open their eyes and watch forr those hiding ,the complete lack of movement and options and the head coach picking the side and doing th coaching who continues to stand on the sidelines and witness this but no change or improvement to help his key player 

If Marlon Pack is as poor as some are making out then we are in real trouble as he remains key us and will continue to be so with LJs current ‘plan’

Well said - all I think is he would benefit in a 3 with a out and out defensive midfielder 

[leadman]

amazing how our bang average midfield gets defended on here, we are not missing smith, we are average  with or without, we have been in this division for 3 and a bit season, they have poor records for scoring goals and creating assists , we had a 4 month spike begining of last season, browny has come on well overall, pak has got better, smith, stagnent for me, but WHEN THE **** are we going to invest in a proven and decent quality senior centre midfielder, utterly screaming to bring one in this summer.

 

top of the january shopping list.

[Carey 6]

Harry & Harrys arguing.