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After 2nd goal, one idiot running on the pitch was dangerously headlocked from behind and then dragged away from the pitch by the head. Highly dangerous and not the way to do it. Yes, the plonker should not have come on, but that is dangerous stewarding and the bloke should be reprimanded if not worse.

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Nope, sorry but I’m not having that in the slightest.

You encroach on the playing surface in light of recent events at games and you deserve everything you get. I understand how elated you might be but you simply cannot go on the pitch. It really is as simple as that. Those fans have ruined what should’ve been a memorable away day for themselves.

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14 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

After 2nd goal, one idiot running on the pitch was dangerously headlocked from behind and then dragged away from the pitch by the head. Highly dangerous and not the way to do it. Yes, the plonker should not have come on, but that is dangerous stewarding and the bloke should be reprimanded if not worse.

Yep. Thought that was very poor and needs investigation.

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3 minutes ago, WessexPest said:

Nope, sorry but I’m not having that in the slightest.

You encroach on the playing surface in light of recent events at games and you deserve everything you get. I understand how elated you might be but you simply cannot go on the pitch. It really is as simple as that. Those fans have ruined what should’ve been a memorable away day for themselves.

Not what the law says. So it isn't as simple as that is it? 

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Yes I noticed this incident too, thought it was way OTT personally, shouldn’t of gone onto the pitch and only has himself to blame with the stadium ban that will be coming his way, but no need for the aggressive nature from the steward at all.

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Idiot shouldn't have gone on the pitch in the first place but he meant no harm. 

He even stumbled, causing the steward to lose his grip and then go tighter round his neck. 

Idiotic going on the pitch in the first place, but the steward was way too heavy handed

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16 minutes ago, WessexPest said:

Nope, sorry but I’m not having that in the slightest.

You encroach on the playing surface in light of recent events at games and you deserve everything you get. I understand how elated you might be but you simply cannot go on the pitch. It really is as simple as that. Those fans have ruined what should’ve been a memorable away day for themselves.

:laugh:, birch’em I say.

”deserve everything you get”

That’s the saddest thing I’ve read in a long time.

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3 hours ago, WessexPest said:

Nope, sorry but I’m not having that in the slightest.

You encroach on the playing surface in light of recent events at games and you deserve everything you get. I understand how elated you might be but you simply cannot go on the pitch. It really is as simple as that. Those fans have ruined what should’ve been a memorable away day for themselves.

That is absolutely  no excuse to use excessive force, the elated kid was celebrating a goal, not intending to assault anyone. Some clubs need to train their stewards adequately, not just have a 'he'll do' policy.  When a player scores and jumps into the crowd to celebrate.............he gets booked and not strangled by a steward.

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3 hours ago, The Original OTIB said:

After 2nd goal, one idiot running on the pitch was dangerously headlocked from behind and then dragged away from the pitch by the head. Highly dangerous and not the way to do it. Yes, the plonker should not have come on, but that is dangerous stewarding and the bloke should be reprimanded if not worse.

Sorry but if he’s gone on the pitch he’s committed a crime and therefore, in my opinion, whatever it takes to get him off

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3 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Sorry but if he’s gone on the pitch he’s committed a crime and therefore, in my opinion, whatever it takes to get him off

But it didn't need that to take him off, he was hardly trying to escape the stewards grasp. 

It was completely over excessive force

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Lots of people seem to be defending the pitch invader - Monica Seles was stabbed by a fan who ran onto a tennis court...and we’ve seen more and more instances recently of footballers being assaulted by fans who have run onto the playing area....if anyone thinks it’s ok to run onto the playing surface they are wrong and the stewards are actually going above and beyond their duties when they tackle them....the pitch invaders deserve what they get....if a player was ever stabbed on a pitch (God forbid) those same ‘invader defenders’ on here would be outraged - and rightly so.....so why defend the idiot now?

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4 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Lots of people seem to be defending the pitch invader - Monica Seles was stabbed by a fan who ran onto a tennis court...and we’ve seen more and more instances recently of footballers being assaulted by fans who have run onto the playing area....if anyone thinks it’s ok to run onto the playing surface they are wrong and the stewards are actually going above and beyond their duties when they tackle them....the pitch invaders deserve what they get....if a player was ever stabbed on a pitch (God forbid) those same ‘invader defenders’ on here would be outraged - and rightly so.....so why defend the idiot now?

Nobody has said that. 

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1 minute ago, The Original OTIB said:

Defended the invader. 

Apologies, I wasn’t clear....I just meant that by saying the invader didn’t deserve the treatment he received just serves to trivialise what could have escalated into a serious incident - stewards just don’t know what a pitch invader’s intentions are these days, so heavy handed responses should be expected....and encouraged....

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2 hours ago, JBFC II said:

But it didn't need that to take him off, he was hardly trying to escape the stewards grasp. 

It was completely over excessive force

Rubbish. In this climate you don’t know someone’s intentions. I have no sympathy for anyone who breaks the law then has their “rights” exploited

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48 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Apologies, I wasn’t clear....I just meant that by saying the invader didn’t deserve the treatment he received just serves to trivialise what could have escalated into a serious incident - stewards just don’t know what a pitch invader’s intentions are these days, so heavy handed responses should be expected....and encouraged....

Exactly. Unfortunately you have to expect the worst 

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41 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Rubbish. In this climate you don’t know someone’s intentions. I have no sympathy for anyone who breaks the law then has their “rights” exploited

Really? Not defending him for entering the pitch, that’s up to him, but he’s come from the away end after we’ve just scored, why else would he be on the pitch? Steward knew why aswell, all I’m saying is it was over excessive force when it clearly wasn’t needed, not as though he was resisting.

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3 hours ago, BCFC11 said:

Anyone else notice about 5/6 stewards come steaming around the side of the stand in the corner after Weimann’s 3rd? ?

Yeah, they came storming in like a cavalry charge.

All in all, I thought their stewards were ok. For one, they didn't force fans to clear the gangways.

 

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41 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Yeah, they came storming in like a cavalry charge.

All in all, I thought their stewards were ok. For one, they didn't force fans to clear the gangways.

 

Haha! Looked like they couldn’t wait to steam in on a few supporters either that or they decided to leave early then run back in to join in with the celebrations! How you’ve described them overall though that’s how it should be imo, aslong as people aren’t obstructing any others views I can’t see the problem, ott H&S laws though but if an emergency did ever happen you’d have to be a complete cock to not get out of the way!

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10 hours ago, MarcusX said:

Sorry but if he’s gone on the pitch he’s committed a crime and therefore, in my opinion, whatever it takes to get him off

Presumably you'd be OK with police using tasers to make the job altogether much quicker? 

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4 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

And your application for Chief Constable has been successful. 

The bloke is clearly trying not to be dragged away. Hardly excessive force being used!

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9 hours ago, MarcusX said:

Rubbish. In this climate you don’t know someone’s intentions. I have no sympathy for anyone who breaks the law then has their “rights” exploited

I think we knew his intentions, a city fan is hardly going to run towards where his own team are celebrating and try and attack them after having joined in with the celebrations is he? 

Yes, he needed to be taken off. But being dragged by his neck off the pitch isn't the way to do it... 

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1 hour ago, Super said:

Cant see anything wrong with that.

That is only part of it, it does not show the original contact from behind. It is far more effective to take the hand and bring it up behind the back and then move the person away. Also, it is dangerous:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/31/policed-football-fans-enemy-manchester-city-bournemouth-police-stewards

As @JulieH wil confirm, the Police do not specifically teach headlocks in training. Indeed, they are taught the dangers of restraining around the neck.

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9 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said:

There was little to no force in that headlock but from the angle it is performed and the way the guy is walking, it looks odd. 

Not really worthy of a three page thread.

Yes there was. Did you see the whole incident in real time? This does not show all of it.

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32 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

That is only part of it, it does not show the original contact from behind. It is far more effective to take the hand and bring it up behind the back and then move the person away. Also, it is dangerous:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/31/policed-football-fans-enemy-manchester-city-bournemouth-police-stewards

As @JulieH wil confirm, the Police do not specifically teach headlocks in training. Indeed, they are taught the dangers of restraining around the neck.

I tried to show the whole thing but GIPHY limited me to a 6 second clip, the full thing is on here at 3:49 (not my video btw)

 

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13 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

Yes there was. Did you see the whole incident in real time? This does not show all of it.

Watched the whole thing now and yes there was excessive force considering he wasn’t a danger.

I don’t have any sympathy for the guys on the pitch though and hope they all get banned for life.....and the steward should be sacked.

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2 hours ago, Waffleflap said:

Don't go on the pitch. Should introduce tazers and electric fences to keep the riff raff off 

That would be interesting to see and not in a good way, if god forbid there was another stadium fire ever again.

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21 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

Yes there was. Did you see the whole incident in real time? This does not show all of it.

This.

He actually feels the need to do it twice aswell. If I was ever stupid enough to run onto the pitch and celebrate and that tosser did that to me, knowing a ban would be heading my way already I’d of atleast made the ban worthwhile and give that steward his comeuppance. Seeing him drag someone like that not once but twice is shocking, dangerous to say the least. 

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17 hours ago, WessexPest said:

Nope, sorry but I’m not having that in the slightest.

You encroach on the playing surface in light of recent events at games and you deserve everything you get. I understand how elated you might be but you simply cannot go on the pitch. It really is as simple as that. Those fans have ruined what should’ve been a memorable away day for themselves.

So,dragging someone to the ground in this way,in these circumstances justifies the possibility of serious life changing injury and believe it or not even death??

If a tragic outcome had resulted here you believe it would have been deserved?? ..

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1 hour ago, East End Old Boy said:

Thought Patterson’s headlock on Weimann looked more dangerous! ?

at 4:07 / 4:08 he even applies more force whilst dragging. Such an abrupt motion could break his neck. Yes: should not be on the pitch. Excessive force? Hell yes. A complaint should be made. That idiot should not be involved in stewarding. Most of the others were cleared without too much fuss.

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No need for a headlock in this instance whatsoever. Dangerous, excessive use of force- could have killed the guy!

*Gets on soapbox*

Don't know how Sheffield United deal with their stewarding, especially of away fans but increasingly commonplace is the use of nightclub bouncers etc as stewards. Sounds like it may have been in this case? 

Bad stewarding is bad stewarding whoever does it, but nightclub bouncers as stewards is worse from 2 angles.

Firstly, bouncers can be prone to use of excessive force, secondly it can very easily incite the crowd if handled badly. Nightclubs and football stadia are vastly different environments.

*Gets off soapbox*

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2 hours ago, The Original OTIB said:

That is only part of it, it does not show the original contact from behind. It is far more effective to take the hand and bring it up behind the back and then move the person away. Also, it is dangerous:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/31/policed-football-fans-enemy-manchester-city-bournemouth-police-stewards

As @JulieH wil confirm, the Police do not specifically teach headlocks in training. Indeed, they are taught the dangers of restraining around the neck.

Excellent, I was just about to post the exact same article, to try to inject some sanity into some of the extreme views expressed on here.  This is from the horses mouth, and is logical and considered, unlike some of the posts on here.  Fans pour time and large amounts of money into the game...........and yet are treated like the enemy, the issue needs to be seriously looked at.

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38 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

at 4:07 / 4:08 he even applies more force whilst dragging. Such an abrupt motion could break his neck. Yes: should not be on the pitch. Excessive force? Hell yes. A complaint should be made. That idiot should not be involved in stewarding. Most of the others were cleared without too much fuss.

I like how the steward is getting all the blame and not this so called fan?

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27 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:
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  • Be calm and rational in all situations
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As I thought...security as stewards, or elements of this at least.

Asking for problems IMO. Or at least can make it more likely they will occur.

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