Lrrr Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 They said can Bielsa go 1 or 2 better and take Leeds United 'home', Leeds were relegated in 03/04 season and they had spent 14 seasons in the premier league, so they've now spent more years outside the premier league then their last stint in it, may just be a personal irritation that Leeds are still described in the sense they are a premier league club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, hodge said: They said can Bielsa go 1 or 2 better and take Leeds United 'home', Leeds were relegated in 03/04 season and they had spent 14 seasons in the premier league, so they've now spent more years outside the premier league then their last stint in it, may just be a personal irritation that Leeds are still described in the sense they are a premier league club. I think we just have to accept that, like Villa, the premier league "needs" a club like Leeds so why should we stand in the way of them resuming their rightful place in the universe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 They are a massive club who would enhance the premier league IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: They are a massive club who would enhance the premier league IMHO That's not a point I'm contesting, its the point the premier league gets referred to as their 'home' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 History of the English game indicates the top flight isn't actually their home as they are around the 24th most successful. We are around 35th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 In fact, there have been 27 Premier League seasons, and Leeds have only been there for 12 of those, so the majority of Premier League seasons* have taken place without Leeds. *Yes, I'm aware that football didn't start in 1992, but Sky seem to think it does, and it makes my point more valid, so I'm going with this comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, hodge said: That's not a point I'm contesting, its the point the premier league gets referred to as their 'home' Well if you put all 92 Clubs into what would be seen as their ‘natural home’ / ranking I’d suggest that they’d be in the top division , ignore the poxy ‘Premier League’ label Luckily they have to win points and get promoted to do so , the same as every other Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 There are about 30 clubs who would claim the Premier League is their rightful place. Leeds are just one of them. They can't all be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Loon plage said: History of the English game indicates the top flight isn't actually their home as they are around the 24th most successful. We are around 35th. That may be because they are a relatively "new" club formed in 1919. For me Leeds are one of the top 10 biggest clubs in England. Admittedly, at the lower end of the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: That may be because they are a relatively "new" club formed in 1919. For me Leeds are one of the top 10 biggest clubs in England. Admittedly, at the lower end of the top 10. Can't argue with that KITR I just think they happen to have the countries biggest bellends following them also. BTW I think my source of data looks a bit naff having had a second glance ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSTAF Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: That may be because they are a relatively "new" club formed in 1919. For me Leeds are one of the top 10 biggest clubs in England. Admittedly, at the lower end of the top 10. Bang on. Huge club. Anyone who thinks different is deluded or in denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 I don’t give a F what pundits say, they have to fill hours of TV schedules with drivel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Loon plage said: Can't argue with that KITR I just think they happen to have the countries biggest bellends following them also. BTW I think my source of data looks a bit naff having had a second glance ! Not sure on what people base this in my near half century of following City I can think of a number of fanbases who could claim that title (Villa fans right up there 5 , but not Leeds Massive, consistent loyal following ,and loud , loud , loud , home and away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 31, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Chappers said: I don’t give a F what pundits say, they have to fill hours of TV schedules with drivel Spot on They are employed to add these comments to get people talking about their shows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 25 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: They are a massive club who would enhance the premier league IMHO Highest or top 2-3 commercial income in this division speaks volumes tbh- it's surely because well in part anyway, of their brand and history- whether we like them or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Mr Popodopolous said: Highest commercial income in the division speaks volumes tbh. Don’t know whether you’ve studied their figures Mr P, I would anticipate you have out if interest where do they perform so well in terms of income ? I know they do well from Tv but is it gate receipts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 I do get why some people find Leeds fans a bit arrogant and self-entitled for presuming they "should" be a Premier League team despite not being there for a decade and a half and, in general, I hate the idea that teams "should" be anywhere. Leeds are currently a Championship club and they are a Championship club on merit. If they get promotion, they can deservedly say they ought to be in the Premier League. But for now they, like the rest of us, are where they deserve to be. But all that said, the atmosphere at Elland Road a couple of years ago when they came back to draw 2-2 with us was amongst the most stunning I have ever witnessed. The home fans pretty much dragged an inept-looking team back into the game by sheer force of will. I don't like the arrogance but Leeds do have incredible support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicki's soulmate Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 You can't refer to the house next door as home if you're not living in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Not sure on what people base this in my near half century of following City I can think of a number of fanbases who could claim that title (Villa fans right up there 5 , but not Leeds Massive, consistent loyal following ,and loud , loud , loud , home and away I've never had any bad experiences in the flesh with Leeds fans (bar the odd bit of verbal handbags) but if you see them on facebook and twitter, you really see that they have a huge number of absolute ****wits as fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Wanderingred said: I've never had any bad experiences in the flesh with Leeds fans (bar the odd bit of verbal handbags) but if you see them on facebook and twitter, you really see that they have a huge number of absolute ****wits as fans. I’d suggest that's more indicative of Twitter and Facebook , than Leeds fanbase Been to Elland Road quite a few times to watch European games and met numerous Leeds fans on England trips and found them to be down to earth and sound, like all the Yorkshire Cubs tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Not sure on what people base this in my near half century of following City I can think of a number of fanbases who could claim that title (Villa fans right up there 5 , but not Leeds Massive, consistent loyal following ,and loud , loud , loud , home and away I guess it depends on what influences your world view, personally I find that villa fans are alright in person (a bit depressing if anything) but some are annoying online(twitter mainly) , Leeds fans are super cocky in person and there are loads online that just jump on anything to do with football to say how great Leeds are. I got spat on and cigarettes thrown at friends a couple seasons ago at Sheffield U so obviously have a very dim view on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Pezo said: I guess it depends on what influences your world view, personally I find that villa fans are alright in person (a bit depressing if anything) but some are annoying online(twitter mainly) , Leeds fans are super cocky in person and there are loads online that just jump on anything to do with football to say how great Leeds are. I got spat on and cigarettes thrown at friends a couple seasons ago at Sheffield U so obviously have a very dim view on them. True And forget my comment about Yorkshire clubs ! Sheff United have in my experience a high percentage of d********^s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Don’t know whether you’ve studied their figures Mr P, I would anticipate you have out if interest where do they perform so well in terms of income ? I know they do well from Tv but is it gate receipts ? Had a quick skim over their accounts for last 3 seasons, Bob. 2015/16- Gate Receipts £8,188,578- as a % of Turnover it's 27.16% Their Commercial Revenue though, well- I suppose you could include Catering as part of it- but certainly Merchandising for that season- well without the "Catering" but merely Merchandising and general Commercial it'd be a whopping £11,856,166 or about 39.32% of income, and with Catering it rises to a crazy £16,710,797! More than half their income that year- depends if we include Catering or not but it's exceptional for this level and better than a number of PL clubs therefore IMO at least an indicator of club size. Not had the chance to look at it in full, but once we total up Central Distributions and TV revenues- presumably the former the Solidadirty Payments from PL to EFL clubs, we get only 15-20% in revenue- unsure if that'd be classed as TV or not though. In terms of pure TV revenue, well in their most recent accounts that was the princely sum of 2.16% of around £40m! Nuts given how often they're on- Commercial Revenue definitely seems the biggest segment of income there though. £881,250 out of £40,737,293 to be precise on the pure TV front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 42 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: They are a massive club who would enhance the premier league IMHO I doubt they would be allowed in the Premier league with the state of their ground and flower show tents and.......oh sorry, you're talking about Leeds, I thought you were talking about someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 They are a "big" club, but there are lots of big clubs out there. If they get enough points to finish 1st or 2nd then they will go up. If not they either have to win the play offs or stay in the Championship (or get relegated). It's the same for every Championship club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Had a quick skim over their accounts for last 3 seasons, Bob. 2015/16- Gate Receipts £8,188,578- as a % of Turnover it's 27.16% Their Commercial Revenue though, well- I suppose you could include Catering as part of it- but certainly Merchandising for that season- well without the "Catering" it'd be a whopping £11,856,166 or about 39.32% of income, and with Catering it rises to a crazy £16,710,797! More than half their income- depends if we include Catering or not but it's exceptional for this level and better than a number of PL clubs therefore IMO at least an indicator of club size. Not had the chance to look at it in full, but once we total up Central Distributions and TV revenues- presumably the former the Solidadirty Payments from PL to EFL clubs, we get only 15-20% in revenue- unsure if that'd be classed as TV or not though. In terms of pure TV revenue, well in their most recent accounts that was the princely sum of 2.16% of around £40m! Nuts given how often they're on- Commercial Revenue definitely seems the biggest segment of income there though. £881,250 out of £40,737,293 to be precise on the pure TV front. Thankyou Interesting - merchandise / catering income is incredible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Thankyou Interesting - merchandise / catering income is incredible Definitely is. As a proportion and in real terms. Plus- as per Kieran Maguire- their most recent accounts in a "League table" of Championship commercial revenue in 2017/18- believe this includes merchandise/catering and other all under commercial income. Bigger than a few lower to middling PL clubs I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Definitely is. As a proportion, as per Kieran Maguire- their most recent accounts in a "League table" of Championship commercial revenue in 2017/18- believe this includes merchandise/catering and other all under commercial income. Bigger than a few lower to middling PL clubs I suspect. Ta Going by that then , am I missing something ? or can we stop claiming we ‘can’t compete’ with so many clubs at this level ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 Nobody deserves anything. However, I went to the champions league semi final vs Valencia at Elland Road. It's a massive club with a great history. Who I really dislike! If they ever did ring fence the Premier League with no relegation. Leeds would be in my top 20 clubs easily. I don't like them, but it's true. Nobody deserves anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 Leeds have provided some of entertaining moments in the rich tapestry of football's history. To name a few: Astle's goal in 1971, Bremner scrapping with Keegan at the Charity Shield, the Yorkshire TV interview with Clough and Revie, their valiant European Cup win (sic) in 1975, the expenditure on goldfish, the (possibly apocryphal) Seth Johnson transfer story, getting mugged for Eric Cantona, and so on. For these, and more, we should be grateful they exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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